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Title:All about Scandinavia
Moderator:TLE::SAVAGE
Created:Wed Dec 11 1985
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
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450.0. "Alternative energy in Scandinavia ?" by EAGLE1::BEST (R D Best, sys arch, I/O) Fri Feb 08 1991 13:53

Although this may sound like a strange question, I've been wondering
about the potential for solar and wind energy use in the Scandinavian nations.

Certainly, given the lopsided seasonal variation of solar insolation in
Scandinavia, one might wonder whether solar energy could ever be
economical there.  On the other hand, here in the U.S., it turns out that the
zones of economic payback include both the far South (Florida, Texas,
Georgia, and other sunbelt states) and the northernmost (Maine, Minnesota,
etc.).  In the South, (especially the dryer states) passive solar is
economical because cheaper technologies can be used, and there is more
insolation.

For example, southern states don't generally need expensive working fluid
draindown systems or may use less expensive manually regulated draindowns.
In the South, I hear that passive solar is most frequently used to
preheat hot water for non-space-heating uses.

In the North, there is less insolation, and it is less reliable (because of
cloudiness), but the cost of heating alternatives (e.g. oil) is higher,
because the number of degree days is much higher.  When the sun is out in
the winter, heat extracted from it is really appreciated and valuable because
it replaces expensive alternatives.  Wood burning is also a popular supplement
in Maine, but I don't really consider wood an alternative technology, which
I generally define as fuel-free methods for electric or space heating use.

In the North, it is more common for passive solar to be used as a
supplement (in some extreme cases, combined with super-insulation as a
replacement) for other fuel-based space heating.  I think siting and
technology selection considerations are more important here in the
northern U.S. than in the South as well.  That is, whether a particular
installation proves economical or not can be a sensitive function of whether
the specific solar technology and individual implementation is well tuned
to the location.

I would expect the northern U.S. model to be closer to the Scandinavian case,
but the seasonal variations in both temperature and insolation are apparently
much more pronounced in Scandinavia, so this might make for interesting
engineering design considerations.  Specifically, I have in mind the long
periods of sun or no sun.

I understand that several of the Scandinavian countries (notably Norway and
Sweden) derive significant electric capacity from hydroelectric sources.
An old estimate I heard (circa 1972) said 25%.

I've heard virtually nothing about other uses of alternative energy in
Scandinavia.

Although I rambled mainly about passive solar, I'd be very interested to
hear about any Scandinavian efforts at active solar, wind (seems like Norway
might be a real candidate here), new hydroelectric initiatives, OTEC, etc.

Anybody have any information about such things ?
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450.1Abstract grass is greenerOSL09::MAURITZDTN(at last!)872-0238; @NWOFri Feb 15 1991 03:4245
    Some comments on energy forms here in Norway.
    
    The percentage of energy that is hydroelectric here in Norway is FAR
    over 25%; at least if you are talking about electric energy (where
    hydroelectric is close to 100%). In addition, a number of energy forms
    that use fossil fuels in other countries (home heating, cooking--- even
    industrial prossesses such as smelting) use hydroelectric power here.
    Obviously automobiles, airplanes and maritime traffic use oil-based
    fuels (trains are all electric). 
    
    Given the above, any "alternative" forms would have to be ALTERNATIVE
    to hydroelectric power (which, in many other countries, is considered
    an environmental-friendly form of energy production). Here in Norway,
    there has been resistance to the developement of more hydroelectric
    power from a nature/aesthetic point of view. Some "environmentalists"
    have even suggested use of gas as an "alternative" energy form--- in
    this case, happily trading an increase of CO2 production against seeing
    more "unspoiled nature" in the form of more water in natural waterways,
    waterfalls, etc.
    
    What many of these "alternativists" fail to realize is that
    hydroelectric power is already a form of solar energy. In considering
    the effect on nature of either wind-dynamos, solar batteries or coastal
    wave-machines, nobody seems to have given two hoots about some basic
    quantitative calculations. If you were to use solar batteries, you
    would have to enormous areas (of unspoiled nature) to spread these in
    order to produce equivalent ammounts of KWH's that are produced by
    dams. Furthermore, what is more aesthetic or nature-friendly: Great
    fields of boards with solar cells fenced in and protected, or the
    artificial lakes with a dam, open to fishing and other activities? How
    would the coastal archipalegoes(sp?) look with miles and miles of the
    requisite wave machines look? (also these would need "barriers" of some
    sort against meddling humans). And the modern windmills? Huge towers
    with giant airplane-propellers mounted on top (immagine fields of these
    spread out everywhere that you could see them).
    
    The problem with "alternative" energy forms (and I am talking about our
    local situation here---not the world problem, where there isn't enough
    hydro power), is that the enthusiasts have just not thought through
    what these alternatives would really be in practice.
    
    Mauritz
    
    PS:  the only REAL alternative is less energy use.
    
450.2EAGLE1::BESTR D Best, sys arch, I/OWed Feb 20 1991 14:1175
re .1:

>    Given the above, any "alternative" forms would have to be ALTERNATIVE
>    to hydroelectric power (which, in many other countries, is considered
>    an environmental-friendly form of energy production). Here in Norway,
>    there has been resistance to the developement of more hydroelectric
>    power from a nature/aesthetic point of view. Some "environmentalists"
>    have even suggested use of gas as an "alternative" energy form--- in
>    this case, happily trading an increase of CO2 production against seeing
>    more "unspoiled nature" in the form of more water in natural waterways,
>    waterfalls, etc.

I didn't mean to imply that I consider hydroelectric not to be 'alternative
energy'.  I agree that hydroelectric is a great way to create electricity.
I include it along with solar and wind as 'environmentally friendly,
renewable' and so forth as long as it is not taken to extremes (i.e.
demanding that every possible site be developed regardless of other
considerations, or insisting that capacity be developed rather than trying
to reduce demand).

I spent most of the time in .0 talking about solar as a way of getting the
discussion going.

>    What many of these "alternativists" fail to realize is that
>    hydroelectric power is already a form of solar energy. In considering
>    the effect on nature of either wind-dynamos, solar batteries or coastal
>    wave-machines, nobody seems to have given two hoots about some basic
>    quantitative calculations.

These kind of calculations can be difficult to make plausible.
Different interest groups (at least in the U.S.) use wildly differing base
figures for predicted demand, efficiencies, etc. in order to either justify
or attack proposals to use various alternative (wind, solar, hydro, OTEC,
coastal wave, etc.) technologies.  I'll try to provide some examples of these
calculations (principally for solar, since I have some good examples)
in future replies, and we can discuss what's right or wrong with them.

>    If you were to use solar batteries, you
>    would have to enormous areas (of unspoiled nature) to spread these in
>    order to produce equivalent ammounts of KWH's that are produced by
>    dams.

You are attacking a straw horse of your own construction.

Firstly, putting aside wind, etc. for the moment, what I had in mind for
solar (my straw horse :-) would be largely house and building mounted
solar collectors (sometimes referred to as 'point of use' solar installation).
This would largely be confined to existing construction (where natural
beauty arguably has already been compromised).

Since Norway apparently generates most or all of its needs from hydroelectric
sources, there is certainly no need to 'produce equivalent amounts of KWHs
.. dams'.  Please note that .0 does not propose projects to be foisted
by pushy Americans upon unwilling Norwegians; it just asks questions !

I don't think that solar technology demands huge segregated solar plantations.
Electric companies in the U.S. have traditionally emphasised plantation
style solutions, but this I think this reflects their centralised facility
mindset, and very conservative attitude (not altogether unjustified) towards
new engineering technologies.

In the U.S., electric utilities have typically been rewarded for getting
customers to use more energy, and have adopted a conventional model of
untrammeled growth in energy use that called for continuously constructing
new centralised generation and distribution facilities.  Also, they are
accustomed to having complete ownership, control, and exclusive physical
access to their generation plant and most of their distribution equipment.

It is understandable therefore why they might feel nervous about the
prospect of supporting user-site-installed generation and conversion
technologies.  These might dramatically alter their charter and way of doing
business.  They are therefore expected to challenge the viability of
such schemes.

More later.
450.3More on energy productionOSL09::MAURITZDTN(at last!)872-0238; @NWOThu Feb 28 1991 03:5346
    re .2
    
    I take your point about solar power of the "home-made" variety being a
    very good alternative to centralized power generation; in fact, even as
    a good way to off-load hydroelectric power plants. 
    
    Given this view, I can only state that my "straw horse" was
    unintentional, and was not meant as a counter to home usage; it WAS,
    however, meant to counter actual proposals made here in Norway of using
    centralized solar power generation (+ centralized wave + centralized
    wind-mill facilities), and in that sense the horse could indeed be made
    of straw, but I was not the one that made it.
    
    On my comments on calculations, I agree with your point (if I
    understood it correctly), but I was aiming at a different direction.
    there are two areas of calculation: 1) Power requirements (projections)
    and 2) Power production; i.e., what is required of inputs (coal,
    oil, water x height, area, coastal stretch for wave machines, sq m of
    solar cells, etc) to create a specific ammount of KWH's. I interpret
    your comments as relating to all the games that people can play with
    calculation type 1 (projected requirements). Both environmentalists and
    industrialists battle on this field. However, what I was alluding to
    was the more technical (and much more certain) calculations of type 2
    that are often not made by people who propose "alternative" energy
    production, at ANY level of output; i.e., you agree on an output figure
    (even an artificial one---today's or even half of today's), then
    calculate what input factors are required for each of the alternative
    power production methods to produce that output. Obviously, there is
    some improvement in technology that can be expected, but some basic
    laws of nature are rather persistent and these will always give you a
    ceiling (conservation of mass & energy---assuming that nuclear or
    fusion power is not one of the desired "alternatives"). 
    
    To clarify my position then, I would see home-production as a way of
    reducing the total demand (to centrally generated power), and possibly
    bring the requirement calculation closer to the "half of today" level.
    The issue of how to produce the centrally required type (not really a
    precise term) remains. There are several interesting anomilies that
    arise in this picture as well; e.g., if we manage to convert fossil
    fuel driven automobiles (decentralized, or "home-production" type
    energy) to, say, electric ones (assuming improvement in battery
    technology), we would actually be increasing the requirement for
    centrally generated energy.
    
    Mauritz
    
450.4Swedish programsTLE::SAVAGETue Feb 23 1993 14:23151
    From: Tom Gray <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Date: 22 Feb 93 14:00 PST
    Subject: --Swedes Plan 100 MW by 1996
    Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway <[email protected]>
 
 
   /* Written  1:44 pm  Feb 22, 1993 by [email protected] in igc:en.energy */
 
    SWEDEN TO REACH
    100 MW BY 1996
 
    Total installed wind energy generating capacity in Sweden will reach
    100 MW by the year 1996, according to Vattenfall, one of  Sweden's two
    state utilities.  Most of the capacity will be  installed in the next
    three years. 
 
    The Swedish wind program has been characterized by an emphasis on 
    research and development and very little deployment of the  technology. 
    After 17 years of research, the Swedish wind program  has installed
    only 16 MW from 90 turbines, an installation rate  averaging less than
    one MW per year.  By comparison, Denmark,  Sweden's Scandinavian
    neighbor, expects to have at least 650 MW of capacity in service by the
    same date, making the Danish wind installation average 40 MW per year
    during the same period.
 
    Swedish wind energy development has occurred at an extremely slow pace
    despite an ample wind resource.  Researchers estimate that 2-5% of
    Sweden's 140 billion kWh/yr electrical demand can be met by on-shore
    wind turbines generating 3-7 billion kWh/year.  (The lower end of that
    range is equivalent to California's current wind- generated electric
    power production.)
 
    A 1988 study identified an additional 20 billion kWh/yr which could be
    produced by off-shore projects, providing nearly 15% of total
    consumption.
 
    Most of the existing capacity is attributable to private projects 
    seeking to take advantage of Sweden's incentive program, introduced in
    1991.  The government has allocated $42 million for the five- year
    program in which the Swedish minister of energy pays 25% of the
    installed cost of turbines larger than 60 kW.  Under current economic
    conditions, Swedish utilities estimate that the funding should prove
    sufficient for the installation of up to 115 MW.  
 
    Although installed costs are averaging only $1,400/kW, the low power
    purchase price is proving a major barrier to more rapid  expansion. 
    Swedish utilities pay only 25 ore (US 4.5 cents) per kWh for wind
    generation.  Even with the capital incentive program,  developers are
    forced to find highly energetic sites to justify projects economically. 
    Aside from the utilities' research program, the largest project to date
    is a 1.6-MW wind power plant comprised of seven Danish Vestas V27
    turbines near Varberg on the west coast.
 
    While many countries have long since abandoned multi-megawatt 
    turbines, Swedish utilities have not.  Since 1975, the Swedish wind 
    program has focused almost exclusively on megawatt-size machines,
    including the installation of two prototypes during the early 1980s.
 
    In 1982 Swedish utility Sydkraft installed the 3-MW Hamilton 
    Standard-Karlskronavarvet turbine at Maglarp.  Through 1991, the
    78-meter machine generated a total of 27.7 million kWh, a record of 
    sorts since it exceeds the total generation of any other multi-
    megawatt machine including Boeing's Mod-5B in Hawaii, which produced
    24.5 million kWh from 1988 to 1992. 
 
    The Maglarp machine, one of only two such turbines ever built, was
    available for operation 51% of the time from installation  through
    1988. Since the beginning of 1992 the turbine has operated without
    further state support in regular commercial service.  (The other
    Hamilton Standard machine was installed in Medicine Bow, Wyo., where it
    still operates.)
 
    In 1983, Vattenfall installed a 2-MW turbine at Naesudden on the 
    southwest coast of Gotland. Built by what is now Kvaerner Turbin, the
    75-meter machine operated fitfully until it was dismantled in 1991.
 
    Despite the Naesudden machine's poor performance, Sweden and Germany
    embarked on a joint development of a 3-MW, 80-meter design in the early
    1990s based on the experience.  Vattenfall and German utility
    PreussenElektra in Germany contributed much of the project's $34
    million cost as well as the sites.  Germany's
    Messerschmidt-Boelkow-Blohm (MBB) designed the blades and Kvaerner
    Turbin the nacelles.
 
    Prototypes of these new turbines, dubbed Naesudden II in Sweden and
    Aeolus II in Germany, are currently undergoing tests.  Naesudden II,
    which was installed atop the same tower used for Naesudden I, will
    operate at two constant speeds.  The German version, Aeolus II, was
    installed at the Jade wind plant near Wilhelmshaven this past summer. 
    Aeolus II will operate at speeds from 14 rpm to 21 rpm.
 
    Although MBB has reduced the weight of the blades from the 20 tons of
    the Naesudden I machine to nine tons by using carbon fiber composites
    and Kvaerner Turbin has pared the weight of the nacelle from 210 tons
    to 165 tons, the prototypes remain far from commercially competitive.
 
    Sweden is currently studying another version of the Naesudden design
    intended for commercial applications.  If the study shows that Kvaerner
    Turbin can cut the costs in half, Sweden is expected to build another
    five units in the mid 1990s, possibly at Naesudden.
 
    If this phase proves successful, Sweden could move on to installing 97
    of the giant machines offshore during the late 1990s as some existing
    nuclear plants begin nearing retirement.
 
    To hedge its bets, however, Sweden is also backing Nordic Windpower's
    development of a 400-kW turbine. Nordic Windpower's novel 35-meter
    design uses a teetered two-blade rotor operating at variable speed. 
    Unlike other variable speed turbines, which rely on pitch control in
    high winds, Nordic regulates the rotor's power by aerodynamic stall.
 
    Although Sweden has successfully staved off extensive wind development
    for nearly two decades, the pace of its program may accelerate. 
    Recently the country announced the temporary closure of five of its
    twelve nuclear reactors, accounting for 25% of the country's
    electricity.  The action was taken after the discovery of faults in the
    emergency core cooling systems of the country's boiling water reactors.
 
    The plants are expected to eventually be restarted but the action comes
    as a blow to Swedish utilities, who have debated the future of nuclear
    power for more than a decade.  At least two referendums have confirmed
    the electorate's desire that no further plants be built and existing
    plants be  phased out after 2010. The closure of the five plants, even
    if only briefly, could push Sweden to make the switch from nuclear to
    alternative sources of electricity such as wind energy sooner than
    planned.
 
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