| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 250.1 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, Holly; in Calif. | Fri Jan 08 1988 15:39 | 11 |
| I was in Copenhagen in February a couple of years ago. I was glad
I brought my boots (slush everywhere), and my New England winter
coat/gloves/neckscarf, although a lot of the time I could walk around
with my coat unbuttoned. Don't miss Nyhavn, and the ships' museum
in Roskilde if you have time.
I've forgotten the name of the hotel I stayed at (King Frederick?);
it was okay, and a few blocks from the main train station, etc.
I did decide that next time I would try to book into one of the
hotels that overlook the river(?) that winds thru the city.
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| 250.2 | Bundling Up | MMO01::ROBUCK | | Fri Jan 08 1988 17:59 | 5 |
| I have heard of the Kong Frederick as being VERY expensive. One
of the hotels I mentioned was the Palace which I believe is on the
river. I'll take my boots and look into Nyhaven and Roskilde.
Thanks for the reply.
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| 250.3 | Cities by the sea are Nice | MADMAC::ANDERSEN | Yippee __ Tossing another BALUT | Sat Jan 09 1988 08:00 | 24 |
| Sitting at the Cote d'Azur for the time being, I don't know if
the weather is any different this year, but yes bring some warm
things as well.
What do you meen by "by the river" ? K�benhavn has only "the Lakes",
which lies as an circle around the old part of the town. Then there
is the inner harbour which lies between the island Amager and K�ben-
havn itself.
I have an alternative suggestion for an hotel if you like the sea
and the woods. The hotel "Marselis" in my home town Aarhus.
Aarhus lies in Jylland (The peninsula on top of germany). Herning
is only 1 hours drive away. The airport 45 minutes (Tirstrup). And
theres a local DEC office there as well.
It is the second biggest town in Danmark and in my mind very charming.
About the hotel: It is at the edge of the bay (30 meters) and the
back to the woods. (50 meters), with an splendid view, and "off
K�benhavn" prices.
Several things to see and go for.
Have a nice trip !! ����Martin
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| 250.4 | I'm envious | BOLT::MINOW | Je suis marxiste, tendance Groucho | Sat Jan 09 1988 12:49 | 19 |
| The "river" might refer to the canal that winds through "downtown-ish"
Copenhagen. I'd stick with the cheap hotel. (Actually, I always use
the tourist office pensionat service in the main train station.)
There are a number of excellent restaurants on Nyhaven (most on
the North side). My favorites (from memory) include "On The Sunny
Side", a modern place with Jazz in the evening; "Den Lille Havrefru"
(The Little Mermaid) for fish; and "Els" (just off of Nyhaven at
Kongens Nytorv).
If the weather's nice, try to get up to the tower of "Our Savior's
Church," about a mile from central Copenhagen (take the bus) --
this is the church with the corkscrew tower. It has an amazing
interior.
Also, try to visit "Lousiana" -- an excellent modern art museum
in Humleb�k, about a 40 minute train ride from Copenhagen.
Martin.
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| 250.5 | Louisiana Museum | MSDOA2::ROBUCK | | Mon Jan 11 1988 09:49 | 4 |
| I'll try all your suggestions hopefully. Louisiana is one place
I would not miss. Have been buying posters out of their catalog
for many years and also have a slick brochure on the museum. The
artwork on the grounds look great.
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| 250.6 | Getting there | BOLT::MINOW | Je suis marxiste, tendance Groucho | Mon Jan 11 1988 14:15 | 5 |
| It is a great museum. Take the costal train to Humleb�k. Walk one
block to the main road, turn left (North) and walk about 1/2 mile to the
museum. They have a nice cafeteria, too.
Martin.
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| 250.7 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, Holly; in Calif. | Mon Jan 11 1988 15:50 | 3 |
| River = I meant the thingummy with the bridge(s) over it. I guess
this must be the canal. I couldn't remember exactly what it was.
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| 250.23 | Thanks for the Replies | MSDOA2::ROBUCK | | Thu Mar 31 1988 17:17 | 25 |
| I didn't go back and read all the replies but want all who responded
to know that it was a wonderful trip. Spent most of the time
travelling throughout Denmark. The weather was perfect, a little
cool for someone from the south but no bad weather.
To whomever recommended the Hotel Marsallis in Arhus, it was great,
as was the town.
Wish I could have contacted some of the people that replied offline
but unfortunately when cleaning out a bag on arrival, misplaced
your correspondence. Forgive me, I appreciated your offer of guidance.
Anyone planning a trip, I'll be glad to share information with you.
One thing, you can't get lost in Denmark, all highways and cities
are so well marked.
We stayed at the Palace and the Selandia and highly recommend both
but the price of the Selandia is so much better and the accommodations
were more than adequate. Anyone going from the United States should
book as much of the trip in advance as possible. We certainly couldn't
have afforded the Palace except in conjunction with the SAS package.
Please let me know if you are travelling and want some information.
I appreciate all the responses I got and they were very helpful.
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| 250.8 | 1990 - Kobenhaven for someone | IAMOK::BANCROFT | I'm the NRA | Thu Jun 22 1989 14:01 | 8 |
| A member of our department (not yet chosen) gets to go to a
conference in Copenhagen in January 1990.
Please, do we outfit him with a giant flashlight and fur underwear?
How cold is it there then? How much daylight is there (as it is
closer to the pole than Boston) that season?? Can he get by with just
American English? Any pointers, other than that??
Thanks, (Tok?? KeeTos?? Danke??)
Phil
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| 250.9 | lucky person! | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Thu Jun 22 1989 22:21 | 6 |
| Re: .8
He can certainly get by with American English in Copenhagen itself.
If he gets far out into the countryside, he may have to resort to
charades, but that's part of the fun.
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| 250.10 | Hug a Dane and avoid freezing in the dark | 16BITS::SAVAGE | Neil @ Spit Brook | Fri Jun 23 1989 12:50 | 6 |
| The average daytime temperature in Copenhagen in January is 32 degrees
F., which is two Fahrenheit degrees WARMER than the same for NYC and
eight degrees warmer for the same in Chicago.
On an average January day in Copenhagen, your candidate can expect
about five hours of daylight.
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| 250.11 | not quite so dark... | MOVIES::JJOHNSON | Jim Johnson, VMS Development/Europe | Fri Jun 23 1989 16:27 | 4 |
| Should be more than five hours of daylight. In southern Finland the
sun rises around nine and sets around three during the darkest days
of the year, and Finland is farther north than Denmark.
Sirkku
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| 250.12 | Travel tips fron soc.culture.nordic | CHARLT::SAVAGE | | Wed Jul 25 1990 11:02 | 204 |
| From: [email protected] (Shahin Kahn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: K0BENHAVN - Info needed
Date: 22 Jul 90 07:55:20 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Halldor
Jorgensson) writes:
> I'm going to be in Copenhagen for a week in August (8-15),
> and I need information on things to do there.
> To be more specific I'd like to know what options I have
> to enjoy good music such as jazz, classic, rock, pop or
> whatever music.
I posetd a similar question last december and got a lot of good info
which really helped a lot. Kobenhavn in August must be much nicer than
it is in January (whenI was there) and I *loved* it, so it should be
that much better in the summer! Lucky you! It's absolutely in my top-5
cities, and was, even before I visited!
I have those responses printed somewhere, here's what I remember (those
I actually did!) (sorry for the misspellings!)
- Carlsberg Glyptotek (sp?) Sculptures and great paintings. Right
near the train-station.
- The train station itself. It is supposed to be a main gateway for
rail tourists from Sacdinavia to the continent.
- Little mermaid. Much smaller than one expects, but beatiful.
- Military baraks near the mermaid.
- The main shopping area. I forget the name. Impossible to miss.
narrowish alleys, etc. Lots of little pubs in those allies and some
very good resturants. The house-wine was OK in the two places I tried.
- Tycho Brahe planetarium. The film is OK, but worth the price because
of the huge hemospheric screen. Sit in the middle 5 or 6 rows from the
top.
- The royal danish opera. Quite nice. Beautiful architecture.
smallish. Good performance and music.
- Have a red frankforter and these 'open sandwiches' they have.
- Take the train to Hammlebeck to The Louisiana meuseum. Lots of
contemporary art in the permanent collection. When I was there, they
had a Salvador Dalli exhbit. Very nice. So I expect them to have good
exhibits. It's a 10-15 minute walk from the trainstation.
- Continue the train to Helsingor and see the "macbeth" castle. and
walk around there. You can see sweden across the water. You can walk
to the Castle from the trainstation. If you take the bus, remember to
get off when you're supposed to!! (I didn't! But got to see some real
danish residential areas! and another castle on my way. I considered
it a 'bonus'!)
- Buy a 'Copenhagen Card" from the main trainstation. It is good for a
good amount of train travel and free admission to a bunch of meuseums.
- Find a 'Copenhagen this month' or something like that in the hotel
room which tells you what special events there are (for music, etc.).
- Jensen's clock in the city hall (red building in the main square).
Fascinating machinery. The Hall itself is quite nice. We had a
reception there so I dont know if one can visit it normally.
- Ask a Dane whether they like Carlsberg or Tuborg. This immediately
reveals your true identity as a tourist, but is good conversation,
anyway!
- Check the hours for these places! The Hotel staff in my hotel were
pretty useless. There is a booklet that comes with the Copenhagen card
which has the hours for the plcaes covered by it.
- I didn't like the phone system! The pay-phone seemed to want to have
my 10 Dkr even if the call didn't go through(?), or something like
that. I dont remember now, but I remember that I didnt like it!
- If you like music, get in some stereo shop and see Bang&Olufsens
aplenty! The yuppie branch of Illum's, the main department store also
has some. If you decide to buy a phone, you don't have to buy "the US
version" from what I hear! They generate the same tone, and the
european versions are cheaper and more feature-ful. In either case, it
is much cheaper than you might get them in the US.
- If you want to get some tax-refund at the airport, go an hour early!
Noone seemed to know or want to help with that stuff! You have to get
someone in the main check-in lobby to stamp these stupid forms and then
turn them in in the boarding area! I had a swede friend do this for me
who knew things better than I did and it still took about 45 min!
- No bill changers in the vast copenhagen airport! Gotta buy a
'danish' or something and present a big bill. But there is a
Post/tel/tel office where you can call places and get a final bill.
Things I didn't get to do:
A bunch of guys went on a Carlsberg/Tuborg factory tour and beer
tasting. They had to call to arrange it, I think. They liked it.
Tivoli gardens was closed in january.
'Christina' (sp?) this city-in-the-city across the river, supposed to
be interesting. I am not even sure about the name.
I did almost all of this in two-three days and walked a lot of it.
Wear comfortable shoes! I didn't (well, it was a wee bit cold!) and
got designer-blisters!
Taxi's were on the pricy side though you will probably end up taking
more of them than you wish. If you decide to walk, take a street map.
But I guess you will have one anyway.
Shahin.
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From: [email protected] (Jon Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: K0BENHAVN - Info needed
Date: 23 Jul 90 18:21:03 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Shahin Kahn) writes:
... lots of good suggestions on things to do in Copenhagen ...
> Things I didn't get to do:
> A bunch of guys went on a Carlsberg/Tuborg factory tour and beer tasting.
> They had to call to arrange it, I think. They liked it.
In the summer you can just walk in (at least to Tuborg). Check the
hours in the tourist brochures. One of the most entertaining things is
watching the Danish beer-hounds put up with the tour so they can get
the free beer! They chug as many as they can get their hands on in 15
minutes or so (min. 3 bottles).
> Tivoli gardens wwas closed in january.
Worth seeing, but very touristy, and a bit overpriced.
> 'Christina' (sp?) this city-in-the-city across the river, supposed to be
> interesting. I am not even sure about the name.
Christiania is a real 60's holdover, a hippy-type commune where hashish
is sold openly and everybody sits around smoking and drinking and
taking life at a slow pace. Interesting if you like cultural
curiosities.
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From: [email protected] (Michael Endrizzi )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Why Frommers dropped B&B's AND Nice B&B in Copenhagen
Date: 23 Jul 90 20:12:06 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Secure Computing Technology Corporation
Someone recommended that I post this on soc.culture.nordic so here it
is.
Question: Why did Frommers drop their B&B recommendations from their
Europe on $40/$50/?? a Day book???
Using an old Frommers we stayed with Mary Hanson in Copenhagen. It was
like staying with my grandmother when I was a little kid. She was the
most friendly charming person we met in Europe. She treated us like
Kings and Queens. She said that Frommers dropped her and others from
their book this year and her bookings went dry. Seems that her and
other elderly people supplement thier meager income plying the tourist
trade but it has come to an end. She said it was devastating for
others but she will get by.
Anyways, if you are going to Copenhagen give her a call. She runs about
$20 a night and try her English breakfasts, they are incredible. One
little note, her dog is very friendly but don't try to hug or grab Mary
in the presence of the dog. He is sort of protective. If she is
full,, she will forward you to someone who has room.
Mary Hansen
Ellemosevej 29
Hellerup, Copenhagen
(45-31) 691429
Please let her know that you found this on Internet. I promised that I
would get the word out and she would appreciatte any advertising.
=================================================================
=================================================================
Michael J. Endrizzi
Secure Computing Technology Corp.
1210 W. County Road E #100
Arden Hills, Mn. 55112
[email protected]
(612) 482-7425
*Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are not of my employer
but of the American people.
=================================================================
=================================================================
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| 250.13 | My twopenneth | ELIS::BROWN | | Thu Jul 26 1990 06:18 | 21 |
|
For what it's worth:
> - The main shopping area. I forget the name. Impossible to miss.
> narrowish alleys, etc. Lots of little pubs in those allies and some
> very good resturants. The house-wine was OK in the two places I tried.
The main (quaint) shopping street is called 'Str�get' (I think you
spell it like that). Great bars... but a bit expensive.
> In the summer you can just walk in (at least to Tuborg). Check the
> hours in the tourist brochures. One of the most entertaining
> ...
You can just walk in to the Carlsberg brewery as well. They split
you up into groups depending on your language. Recommend it!!!!
Regards,
Pete
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| 250.14 | He got it mostly right... | COPCLU::GEOFFREY | RUMMEL - The Forgotten American | Thu Jul 26 1990 06:21 | 153 |
|
RE: 250.12
> - Military baraks near the mermaid.
Actual kastellet is one of the old bastions guarding the city.
It is still used by NATO but is open to the public. Walking or
picnicing on the ramparts is quite nice.
> - The main shopping area. I forget the name. Impossible to miss.
> narrowish alleys, etc. Lots of little pubs in those allies and some
> very good restaurants. The house-wine was OK in the two places I tried.
Called Stroeget. Best bets for lunch:
Det Lille Apotek (very old student hangout and serves the big
Danish lunches. Its near the round tower). Any of the outdoor
bars/cafes at Nyhavn (picturesque old harbour district).
Graabroedretorv (grey brothers square), old cobblestoned square
with lots of restaurants and bars. Scala across from Tivoli has
good, expensive foreign eateries (Mexican, Japanese, Chinese,
American, etc.).
> - The royal Danish opera. Quite nice. Beautiful architecture.
> smallish. Good performance and music.
Tivoli has lots of free classical music, opera, and ballet
during the summer. All you've got to do is pay the entrance fee
to the park.
> - Have a red frankforter and these 'open sandwiches' they have.
Denmark is famous for its hotdogs. Far better than the US
variety and they come in endless variations.
> - Take the train to Hammlebeck to The Louisiana museum. Lots of
> contemporary art in the permanent collection. When I was there, they
> had a Salvador Dalli exhbit. Very nice. So I expect them to have good
> exhibits. It's a 10-15 minute walk from the trainstation.
I found Louisiana (its in Humlebaek) expensive and overrated,
but then I hate modern art. The national art museum is a better
bet and has lots of paintings from the Danish "golden age".
> - Continue the train to Helsingor and see the "macbeth" castle.
Kronborg is a must! Its my favourite castle, in fact I got
married in the chapel.
> - Find a 'Copenhagen this month' or something like that in the hotel
> room which tells you what special events there are (for music, etc.).
Actually its called COPENHAGEN THIS WEEK, comes out monthly, and
is an invaluable tourist guide packed with info. Best of all,
its free!
> - Jensen's clock in the city hall (red building in the main square).
> Fascinating machinery. The Hall itself is quite nice. We had a
> reception there so I don't know if one can visit it normally.
The view from the town hall tower is more interesting. Also the
view from the Round Tower (rundtornet) is a must.
> - Ask a Dane whether they like Carlsberg or Tuborg. This immediately
> reveals your true identity as a tourist, but is good conversation,
> anyway!
A big secret: the best Danish beer is called Faxe Fad. It is a
non-pasturized beer and comes in short, squat bottles. Generally
(very generally) Carlsberg is the beer of the labourer and Tuborg
the beer of the educated class. Impress the locals and ask for a
bajer (pronounced BUY-ER) - its slang for a beer.
> - I didn't like the phone system! The pay-phone seemed to want to have
> my 10 Dkr even if the call didn't go through(?), or something like
> that. I don't remember now, but I remember that I didn't like it!
You pay as soon as you hook onto a line. Thus, the secret is to
put the lowest amount in and add more when you get a connection.
> - If you like music, get in some stereo shop and see Bang&Olufsens
> aplenty! The yuppie branch of Illum's, the main department store also
> has some. If you decide to buy a phone, you don't have to buy "the US
> version" from what I hear! They generate the same tone, and the
> european versions are cheaper and more feature-ful. In either case, it
> is much cheaper than you might get them in the US.
B&O have their own demo boutique on the walking street. Illums
and Illums Bolighus are real good places to browse and seen
Danish Design wares. Mere mortals can't afford the prices
though...
> - No bill changers in the vast Copenhagen airport! Gotta buy a
> 'Danish' or something and present a big bill. But there is a
> Post/tel/tel office where you can call places and get a final bill.
Bill changers (does he mean machines or people?) just don't
exist in Denmark. At the airport you can change money at any one
of 4 bank outlets.
> A bunch of guys went on a Carlsberg/Tuborg factory tour and beer
> tasting. They had to call to arrange it, I think. They liked it.
It may be that American beer is made in factories (it does taste
like it) but here its called a brewery tour and you don't have
to call during the summer. The tour of Tuborg is good fun and
one get's to taste the product.
> Tivoli gardens was closed in January.
Open from end April to mid September. My favourite place in
Copenhagen. Good for romantic evenings with your girl or fun
days with your kids.
> 'Christina' (sp?) this city-in-the-city across the river, supposed to
> be interesting. I am not even sure about the name.
Christiania is interesting if you like purchasing stolen goods
or drugs. The place, an old military compound that was taken
over by squatters, is off limits to the cops (they're afraid
to enter). The residents, Christianitters, don't appreciate
tourists and their cameras. A walk there is only for the
adventuresome (though it is safer than walking in many big
cities in America).
> I did almost all of this in two-three days and walked a lot of it.
> Wear comfortable shoes! I didn't (well, it was a wee bit cold!) and
> got designer-blisters!
Don't forget an umbrella or good raincoat and lots of money...
Have a good trip.
Geoff
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| 250.15 | More 'hangouts' | CHARLT::SAVAGE | | Mon Sep 10 1990 12:13 | 41 |
| From: [email protected] (Jon Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Recommendations?
Date: 31 Aug 90 20:04:37 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Steve Wolfson)
writes:
> During the first 2 weeks of October, I will be on a tour covering Stockholm,
> Helsinki, Oslo, and Copenhagen.
>
> Fortunatly the tour leaves time for self exploration.
> Any recommendations for places to visit/shop/eat etc are welcomed. Even
> possibly places to go on day trips outside of these cities.
Copenhagen and Stockholm are both pleasant to just walk around in if
you have the time, and the weather cooperates. Copenhagen in
particular has a great pub life, so if you like beer, you should
absolutely check out some of the local hangouts. There are many good
ones in the downtown area near (but not exactly in the midst of) the
principal tourist areas. My favorites:
Musen og Elefanten
Wessels Kro
Cafe Sommersko
Krasnopolsky
The first two are old and quaint and very Danish, the second two are
more "European modern", with cappuchino and sandwiches as well as beer.
People tend to be very friendly - you can probably ask anyone on the
street where these pubs are and get directions.
> Any bargains to be had, or should I not get my hopes up on getting a cut
> rate B & O stereo system? :-)
Well, everything's pretty expensive in Scandinavia. High-quality
glassware, ceramics, and furs are probably your besy buys in Denmark -
be sure to get the sales tax refund if you spend any real cash.
Have fun!
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| 250.16 | Spiseloppen | CHARLT::SAVAGE | | Tue Sep 11 1990 11:41 | 32 |
| From: [email protected] (Niels Ull Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Places to eat in Copenhagen (Was: Recommendations?)
Date: 4 Sep 90 00:22:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Copenhagen
A very good place to eat in Copenhagen is "Spiseloppen" (The eating
flea ??) on Christiania. Take a cab to get there. The food is very
good, and the prices are reasonable. You may need to reserve seats
around the weekend.
Christiania started as a social experiment at the start of the
seventies, with some squatters moving into some old, disused military
barracks. They have had some problems with drug dealers in the 80's,
but the residents have almost kicked out all strong drugs by now.
The restaurant is right at the edge of the "free town", so you don't
have to enter the seedier parts, if don't want to. But it is really
worth going for a walk in there after your dinner, and it's quite safe
if you don't look like a million dollars.
Have a nice time!
Niels Ull Jacobsen
Institute of Datalogy,
Copenhagen, Denmark.
( [email protected] )
DISCLAIMER: No liability is taken for damage to mind, soul or
body caused directly or indirectly by reading this
posting.
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| 250.17 | Christiania | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Nov 07 1990 13:57 | 60 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Life in Denmark
Date: 3 Nov 90 17:31:29 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (Mr Background)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gerold Firl) writes:
>About living in Denmark:
>
>Quite a few years back I read an article about an area of Kobnhavn called
>"Christiana" (I think). It was described as some sort of free zone, where
>taxes are not collected and government services don't exist, and where all
>the best entertainment could be found. What's the story on this place? It
>sounded really interesting, anybody who's been there care to comment?
>
>--
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Disclaimer claims dat de claims claimed in dis are de claims of meself,
>me, and me alone, so sue us god. I won't tell Bill & Dave if you won't.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=---- Gerold Firl @ ..hplabs!hp-sdd!geroldf
The story is that in 1971 a bunch of hippies took over some abandoned
army barracks in Christianshavn which is just across the bridge on
Amager (the island south of Kbh where the airport is located).
It is a subject of intense political debate on and off. Some parties
want to close the place, and the tight assed Swedes are always upset
because it is easy for their citizens to go there to buy drugs. When I
say drugs, it is only cannabis since the residents cleaned Christiania
of hard drugs in the late 70's. So hashish is displayed and sold
openly; however, the residents dislike outside "pushers" that come
there to sell, so they closed off the main entrance in 1989. In 1988
(?) there were riots: police with riot helmets, buses overturned etc.
Hashish is not the only commerce: there are numerous workshops,
alternative art etc. The most famous commercial success is the
Christiania bicycle which provides a more efficient transfer of effort.
There are numerous bars that are unpopular with the police since they
refuse to pay moms (sales tax) and often sell smuggled liquor. The
biker gang Bullshit used to have Christiania on their turf, and Hells
Angels knocked off a couple of their members during the wars 6-7 years
ago. I don't frequent these bars but they aren't as cheap as one might
desire considering that they don't pay tax. In fact, my local places
were cheaper and the atmosphere was more hyggelig. There is an
excellent restaurant called Loppen (the flea) which got four kokkehuer
by Politikens restaurant rating guide. Some well known actors and
artists frequent Loppen. Christiania has an alternative Christmas party
for people who are not into the family thing. As far as Christiania
being the entertainment mecca, it is if you enjoy getting stoned.
Frank
p.s. Government services do exsist. The residents refuse to pay for
utilities so the department of defense, i.e. the taxpayers, have to pay
for it. Welfare money etc. is readily obtained down the street. So the
average Dane who sees little utility in having a place to effortlessly
obtain a wide selection of hash is obviously rather upset about
Christiania. However, the political consensus is that it is better
keep the "delinquents" collected in one place.
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| 250.18 | How to avoid becoming the bicycle theft capital | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Nov 12 1990 11:29 | 66 |
| From: [email protected] (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Copenhagen "Steal-a-Bike" Program
Date: 10 Nov 90 15:37:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center Cambridge, MA
Stolen (without permission, obviously) from the 10 November 1990
Harvard Crimson (the main student newspaper):
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Denmark Institutes 'Steal-A-Bike' Program
5000 Clumsy-Looking Bicycles Will Be Available in Copenhagen for Free
Rides
By the Associated Press
COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- Officials in the Danish capital believe they've
found a way to stop bicycle thefts -- let people use them for free.
Starting in May, 5000 bicycles carrying advertising from sponsors will
be placed in 900 bike racks throughout Copenhagen. They'll be available
for use by anyone who needs them -- tourists, shoppers, businessmen
late for an appointment or commuters who have missed the bus.
"You take a bike, drive around as long as you want it and put it back
in a special-built rack. No charge," explained Ole Wessung, a
30-year-old chiropractor and an originator of the Bycykel, or "City
Bike" project. "I had enough of getting my bicycles stolen. Five of
them have dis- appeared within three months," he said.
According to police, 101,288 bicycles were reported stolen in 1989 in
Denmark, amounting to a loss of $1.74 million.
Wessung and publisher Morten Sadolin, 30, spent two years developing
the project, and hope to make money by selling the advertising space on
the bicycles. The Copenhagen city council -- interested in reducing air
pollution, traffic congestion and bike thefts -- has given permission
for placement of the bicycle racks on almost every other street corner.
A similar plan was proposed for Amsterdam in the 1970s but never caught
on the Dutch city. However, a similar free-bike plan is operating suc-
cessfully at the Hoge Veluwe national park in the Netherlands. In the
closed-off area, visitors can pick up a bike for free and drop it off
anywhere else on the grounds.
Eight companies have put up the first $1.7 million to get the Copen-
hagen project going. "They sign a three-year contract and during that
perios bicycles with their brands and colors will be seen in the
streets," said Wessung.
The clumsy-looking bicycles have big, flat central tubes where
sponsors' advertisements will be placed. But the ungraceful appearance
also has another purpose. "They are easily recognizable and were
designed so no one would steal them," says Wessung. "Everyone can see
it's a Bycykel. If you are spotted 200 kilometers away from
Copenhagen, you're either a good rider or a thief."
Would-be thieves are discouraged from stealing the bike for refitting
because standard saddles, wheels and other parts do not fit the
Bycykel, which means "city bike" in Danish. Wessung says the bikes are
easily maneuverable, but have no changeable speeds. They can be
obtained in the way travelers get luggage carts at inter- national
airports. Users insert a coin worth $3.50 in a slot on the bike, and
are then able to unlock it from the stand. A coin of the same value is
returned when the bike is relocked into another rack.
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| 250.19 | On the bike | COPCLU::SONNE | | Tue Nov 13 1990 02:05 | 5 |
| This was tried just 6 to 7 years ago with DSB (Danish railroad) along
the line to Elsinore, and did not work - So interesting to see the
result this time
-- Kurt
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| 250.20 | Re: .17: article about Christiania | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 20 1992 14:56 | 30 |
| From: [email protected] (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,misc.legal,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: WANTED: Info on Cristiania (the experimental drug colony in
Copenhagen)
Date: 18 Jan 92 00:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
writes...
>
>I hope someone can help me here...
>
>I am attempting to gather information for an article about Cristiania.
>I spent some time in Seattle at the U.W. library over the holidays
>using the "Infotrac" and "News" databases but could not find even a
>single article about the place. Does anybody know of any articles
>appearing in any English language (or any Scandinavain language for that
>matter) publications about Cristiania? Or is there anyone out there who
>has some personal knowledge of the place?
Benjamin Best, "Something *Anarchical* in Denmark," Liberty, vol. 4,
no. 5 (May 1991), pp. 43-44. (Liberty magazine, P.O. Box 1167, Port
Townsend, WA 98368. $4 + $1 s/h for back issues, $19.50 for a year
sub.)
Jim Lippard [email protected]
Dept. of Philosophy [email protected]
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
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| 250.21 | Passport checking | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 20 1992 15:06 | 33 |
| From: [email protected] (Peter Sestoft)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Traveling to Norden
Date: 17 Jan 92 08:39:31 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen
[email protected] writes:
>Hehehe... you are most definitely *not* immune to border hassle! I would say
>that being a U.S. citizen does not give you any special treatment worth
>mentioning anywhere in Europe. When you arrive in Denmark, since they are
>full EC members, you can expect two passport queues: one for citizens of
>EC countries (they will basically walk through) and one for everyone else,
>meaning Norh Americans, people from EFTA countries (but if you're a citizen
>of any Nordic country you can visit any other Nordic country without a
>passport), refugees from <insert name of country where refugees usually come
>from> etc. I experienced the same EC-queue / non-EC-queue phenomenon when I
>(Swedish citizen) flew to UK in September.
This isn't true of passport checking in Copenhagen Airport. Everybody
wait in the same line(s), no discrimination of US or Australian
citizens (as in the UK). However, non-EEC and non-Nordic passports are
likely to get checked more carefully. Twice, when arriving from
Bangkok and from Moscow, I have even seen some people (you know,
"looking foreign") having their passports checked at the gate, before
they entered the airport proper.
--
New address from January 20, 1992:
Peter Sestoft * [email protected] * Department of Computer Science
Technical University of Denmark, Building 344 DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark
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| 250.22 | Re: .17: Christiana update | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Jun 10 1992 11:20 | 78 |
| From: [email protected] (Jonny Axelsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Christiania
Date: 9 Jun 92 15:54:49 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (Jonny Axelsson)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bertil
Jonell) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Soren Harder)
writes:
> >The new inhabitants produced a society partly independent of the rest
> >of Denmark,
>
> Read: they cheat on taxes, and let others pay for their electricity,
> water and sewage.
In the early years (the free town of Christiania turned 20 last fall)
the idealists and the pragmatists (?) disagreed whether they should
accept any outside assistance (ie. unemployment benefits, mother
benefits) or to be a real independent town. Today the majority do
accept such benefits. There is nothing particularily immoral in that,
they would be elegible for them if they had lived outside Christiania
too, but it does tarnish their claim to independence. Notice the
wording *partly independent*.
> >There earlier were problems with rockergroups moving in and using hard
> >drugs, but these groups have been thrown out by the inhabitants. There
> >still is a market for hashish there, though it is not as obvious as
> >other places.
>
> At the entrace there is a big placard, where some sort of non-authority
> decrees a ban on all sale of drugs and all photographing. Somehow the ban
> on drug-sales is not enforced but the ban on photographing (to keep anyone
> from documenting the drug-sales) is very strictly enforced.
The ban on drug sale (or use) *is* very strictly enforced (cannabis is
not considered a drug). In drug policy, this is one of the real
benefits of Christiania, while the Christianites are liberal on
hashish, they kick out junkies. The official Swedish or Norwegian
policy (cannabis (hash/marijuana)==heroin (cocaine, amphetamine...)) is
dangerous. I won't say that hash nor alcohol is healthy, but there is a
difference.
Besides, "kicking out junkies", may not seem a model of enlightened
drug recovering policy, but they have realised that there are a lot of
things they haven't got the resources to do. The Copenhagen police is
quite active kicking in the junkies, though, "Go to Christiania, that's
were you belong".
> >The Danish government has decided to let the society be,
>
> Read: The Danish authorities does not enforce Danish laws equally for all
> citizens, but ignore violations when certain people commit them.
>
> >as a lot of people who would go under in outside society are able to
> >live a happy (and non-destructive life) in there.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Read: They don't smoke it themselves, they just sell.
Depends on who "they" are. A lot of Christianites are a bit pissed on
the dealers. They make *much* more money than the Christianites, but
they don't contribute to the common good or the common fund (a local
tax). They don't even live there (too squalid?), just take a taxi to
Christiania, sell their stuff, and take taxi home when the working day
is over.
Christiania is getting legalized. This will make it a duller place in
many ways, but it might stop the cannabis trade (the Christianites have
suggested that the Copenhagen police designate some street outside
Christiania the new Pusher Street). I for one won't miss it.
Christiania is in itself a beautiful town, and Pusher Street only adds
noise and no substance to it. Of course, it also makes Christiania an
easier scapegoat for braindead Norwegian and Swedish politicians.
Jonny
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| 250.24 | Tips collected by Murat Karaorman | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Dec 14 1992 09:23 | 158 |
| From: [email protected] (Murat Karaorman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: COPENHAGEN FILE!
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:54:52 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Hi,
I had recently posted an article requesting information about what to
do, how to find cheap accommodation, etc., for a short stopover in
Copenhagen during this holiday season. The replies that have greatly
enhanced my enthusiasm about my stay there. I decided to edit and
summarize the replies that were sent to me as I believe some of the
information here might be appealing to other travelers as well. The
information might be useful for anyone who is putting together an FAQ,
or info file for these newsgroups. Also feel free to followup and add
your opinions, impressions, and comments.
Copenhagen, and especially its people and lifestyle sounds like an
incredible place to be, I am really excited about it. Thanks are due
to Torsten J�rgensen, Nete Brush, Karoline Malmkj�r, and David Forer
for providing me with the information I am sharing in this posting.
with my sincere wishes for peace and joy to all, murat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPENHAGEN FILE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[Contents: Night-life/Hangouts/TO DOs/TIPS, Accomodation, Transportation]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night-life/Hangouts/TO DOs
--------------------------
>> first some short-takes and useful TIPS.
- 95% of all Danes under thirty speak perfect English.
- America (and especially California) is very popular in Denmark. Tell Danes
that you are from Santa Barbara and you will have an instant friend.
- There is no need to tip anywhere
- No matter what the size of your budget, you must take at least one taxi ride-
it is a dream
- NB Bars/discos/cafes don't get busy until at least midnite
>> Now more specific Spots, Hangouts, etc.
Here are some of the hot spots in Copenhagen Nightlife:
1) Probably the greatest bar/disco/cafe in Europe (and I've been to
alot) is the "Park Bio". It is near Faelledparken. But ask any young
Dane and they will direct you.
2) Stay in the area of Kongens Nytorv. This is THE area to hop from
place to place. Try "Freuds" - a small smokey place with a great
atmosphere. Stay away from "Boltens" and the "California Bar" unless
they have changed alot in the last month. The best espresso I have ever
tried is at Cafe Victor. Go there during the day to relax or go at
night to look at the rich fashionable people of Copenhagen.
3) You have not experienced a real Danish bar if you have not gone to
the "Peder Oxe" on Gravbrodtorv (a square in the centre of Copenhagen).
Real friendly people.
>> some more
For "hangouts", I guess you could look into "Huset" (the house) in
Magstraede or "Loppen" at Christiana (music place). There is a music
place on N�rregade called Montmartre, they just reopened under new
management, so time will show what kind of place it will become. It
sounds promising though. There is also a very nice area around Skt.
Peders Straede and a nice cafe on Kultorvet called "Klaptraeet", it
used to be a movie theatre.
Lots of teens also hang out at a place called "Scala", but I don't
think I can recommend it. There is a place where you can have nice
ice cream, though.
The most well-known shopping district is "Str�get", a pedestrian street
going from Kongens Nytorv to Raadhuspladsen. Somewhere in the middle,
there is another pedestrian street going down to N�rrevold. If you stay
on these streets, there are lots of fashion shops and banks, but if you
go around in the neighboring streets, you can find all kinds of things,
usually cheaper.
There are no explicitly dangerous areas in Copenhagen, but on New Years
Eve there are lots of drunk people on the streets, and sometimes there
is some trouble. The nastiest district is probably just to the west of
Hovedbanegaarden (Central station), but it is mostly safe to walk
there, just a little unpleasant. (No guns, you know :-)
- Cafe Sommersko (Cafe summershoe) is very popular for young people. It
is located on a side street to (Oh boy - Danish letters) Kbmagergade -
the incomprehensible letter is an o with a slash across. Another bar is
Christian Firtal which has a mixed "population".
Discotheques: Axels Dansebar is popular too. Located in the Axeltorv
"mall" right next to the central square.
>> Now some EATeries.
Cheap eating in Copenhagen is supposed to be a contradiction in terms,
but I guess it is not as bad as people make it. There is a place in
Nyhavn called "Cap Horn", that has good food, often typically Danish,
and at a reasonable price, particularly if you take the dish of the
day. Then they also bring seconds. There are also lots of pizza
places, some of which are good (for the price). I think there are some
cheap eating places in Christiania, too, but I haven't been there in
ages.
Accomodation:
-------------
>> I had asked about cheap accommodations, youth hostels, etc. I also wanted to
>> know if a 55$ quote I was offered in the US would be considered 'great deal'
>> Here are the replies pertaining to accommodation:
55us$ is the cheaper end, allright. Possibly not the cheapest, but
hotels in Denmark are generally EXPENSIVE. Better wouch for a YHA.
There are two youth hostels both out of the city, but with exellent bus
connections. They'd be around US$10 pr. night, possibly a little more.
Your best bet, in my oppinion, is to see if you can't find someone
that'll have you as a guest for a couple of days. There's lots of
students in Copenhagen, so someones bound to be interested. You could
have stayed with me, but I don't even live close to Copenhagen, so
it's impossible.
Hotel stays: the rate you were quoted is probably the cheapest one in
town. There is a youth hostel pretty close to down town and it runs
about 10 dollars a night per person if you bring your own sleeping bag.
It is possible to rent sheets and the like though - how much I don't
know. As for the adress - you will have to ask the information desk at
Kastrup airport, information booth at the main train station or the
tourist information in the H.C. Andersen Castle right next to Tivoli
(Tivoli is closed unfortunately at this time of the year). All of them
will gladly help you make reservations and call.
TRANSPORTATION
--------------
The public transportation in Copenhagen is EXCELLENT - (take it from
someone who's been using it for years) you will NOT need to rent a car.
You can get discounted fares when you buy a yellow card available on
every bus (about 10-12$ for 11 trips). Exact fare is not needed the
driver WILL make the change from a bill to coins. All fares include
transfers good for one hour, no matter what route. Down town Cph. the
longest wait for a bus is 10 minutes, often less than five.
>>>> that's all folks -- Copenhagen sounds like a real Great place to be! <<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
--
**** First learn your horn and all the theory. ****
** Next develop a style. **
** Then forget all that and just play. **
**** -- Charlie Parker **** [[email protected]]
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| 250.25 | Another vote for Louisiana art museum | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Aug 03 1993 11:53 | 12 |
| Re: .5:
From: [email protected] (MLS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Best of Scandinavia
Date: 2 Aug 93 17:30:25 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
You must go to Louisana. It's a modern art museum just north of
Copenhagen (Kobenhavn). You can get there on one of the local trains.
The museum building is made primarily of glass (great lighting for the
collection & excellent views of the coast).
|
| 250.26 | Other Danish art museums | TLE::SAVAGE | | Fri Aug 06 1993 15:07 | 63 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (ROLF MANNE)
Subject: Re: The Best of Scandinavia
Sender: [email protected] (Bergen University Newsaccount)
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:59:27 GMT
The art museum 'Ordrupsgaard' still closer to Copenhagen than Louisiana
(at Klampenborg, I think). It has a very fine collection of French 19th
century paintings as well as of Danish paintings from around 1900.
Rolf Manne
e-mail: [email protected]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Best of Scandinavia
Sender: [email protected] (Operator)
Organization: Smith College
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 17:38:08 GMT
Well, since we're talking about art in Denmark, how about Skagens
Museum in Skagen? It has a lot of local art and the town is wonderful!
It's quite a distance from Copenhagen, like at the very northern tip
of Jutland, but I think it's worth the trip!
Amanda Nikiel
[email protected]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (ROLF MANNE)
Subject: Re: The Best of Scandinavia
Sender: [email protected] (Bergen University Newsaccount)
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 19:32:28 GMT
The Skagen painters are quite well-known in Scandinavia and were the
subject of a movie by Swedish movie-maker Kjell Grede a few years ago.
While I am at it, I would like to add a fourth Danish art museum to the
list, that at Faaborg on the island of Fyn. It shows only the work of
local artists, who I think are much less well-known than the Skagen
group. It was founded by a local industrialist around 1920. Before you
reach the main gallery, you have to pass a small room filled with an
huge granite statue of this man, whose name I have forgotten. It is in
somewhat doubtful taste, but you get a good smile from a small painting
in the collection showing the sculptor at work at a mountain of gypsum
and with his fat model standing on a chair with a cigar in his hand and
looking immensely proud. On the whole, this is a very charming museum.
In Norway, I might recommend the summer exhibitions at Blaafarveverket,
about 1 hr by car west of Oslo. They show one Scandinavian artist each
year, from the beginning of the century, the last two years two of the
Skagen painters, Severin Kroeyer and Christian Krogh. Blaafarveverket
means "blue color works" and was once the leading factory making
"cobalt blue" for the glass and porcelain industry (e.g. Royal Danish)
in the beginning of the 19th century. There are also exhibits showing
the process and of antique china.
Rolf Manne
e-mail: [email protected]
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| 250.27 | Re: .26: travel to Skagen by bicycle | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Aug 09 1993 11:10 | 17 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Roger Greenwald)
Subject: Re: The Best of Scandinavia
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 02:36:19 GMT
Since it happens that I visited both Ordrupsgaard and Skagen Museums a
month ago for the first time, I thought I'd put in my two cents and
confirm that both are definitely worth the visit for anyone interested
in painting.
(But the trick to enjoying Skagen is renting a bike for a couple of
days and taking it down the excellent bike trails that run parallel to
the east coast.)
Roger Greenwald
[email protected]
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| 250.28 | Phone and mail contacts | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Mar 23 1994 12:07 | 42 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Bodil Gram)
Subject: Re: Help with B&Bs 'round Kobenhavn!!
Sender: [email protected] (Math Department)
Organization: Open University Copenhagen, Denmark
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:26:13 GMT
***********************************************************
THE DO-IT-YOURSELF-GUIDE TO COPENHAGEN, DENMARK
Information about hotels, write to:
Hotel booking, Koebenhavn
Bernstorffsgade1
DK-1620 Copenhagen V
Denmark
(Phone inside Denmark: 33 12 28 80)
Information about tourist attractions and so on, write to:
Danmarks Turistraad
Vesterbrogade 6 D
DK-1620 Copenhagen V
Denmark
(Phone inside Denmark: 33 11 14 15)
Information about travelling to other parts of Denmark by train:
Call 33 14 88 00 from inside Denmark
(It _is_ possible to write to:
Generaldirektoratet for DSB
Soelvgade 40
DK-1349 Copenhagen K
Denmark
They will try to pass on your question to the propper part
of the organization, but they are NOT thrilled to do so !)
************************************************************
Venlig hilsen
[email protected]
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| 250.29 | Re: .17 .20 .20: cannabis dealer woes | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Apr 11 1994 12:56 | 34 |
| From: [email protected] (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.world.europe.western,clari.news.interest.quirks,
clari.news.law.drugs,clari.news.labor.strike
Subject: Danish Drug Dealers Strike
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 12:10:18 PDT
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Hashish dealers in Copenhagen refused
to sell their wares Friday to protest government efforts to end
open drug sales, but offered desperate customers a free smoke or
two to tide them over.
Unlike other places in Copenhagen, cannabis is sold openly on
what is known as "pusher street" in Christiania, a former cavalry
barracks occupied since 1971 by squatters, hippies, anarchists and
drug dealers.
Normally Christiania's streets are lined with dealers who ask
pedestrians if they are interested in "some goods."
However, since Wednesday, when the hash dealers went on strike
to protest government efforts to end the open sales, the streets
have been almost empty. A sign directs customers to other sources,
considered more dangerous because they sell hard drugs.
But Christiania's dealers are also handing out free hashish to
smokers suffering from withdrawal.
"When the customers come, we send them to other markets. But if
they want to smoke, then they can smoke with us," said Jacob
Brondum, a marijuana dealer for the last 10 years and Christiania
resident since 1991.
The dealers want the sale of hashish legalized and they want
their customers to actively support them.
They have asked smokers to "come out of the closet," and write
letters to politicians newspapers supporting the strike and the Pot
Party, which wants to run for Parliament.
Customers are also asked to sign a petition opposing a ban on
hash sales and threats to close the so-called Christiania "free
state" if street dealing doesn't end by next February.
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