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Title:All about Scandinavia
Moderator:TLE::SAVAGE
Created:Wed Dec 11 1985
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:603
Total number of notes:4325

235.0. "Things to do in Stockholm..." by DIEHRD::MAHLER (Yugo's for Yo Yo's) Tue Oct 06 1987 12:17

From:	BOLT::MINOW        "Martin Minow THUNDR::MINOW ML3-5/U26 223-9922"
To:	DIEHRD::MAHLER
Subj:	RE: Scandia...

Depends on how touristy you want to be.  Stockholm has one of the
world's best modern art museums (Moderna Museet).  You might want
to see how the Swedes shop (downtown: the top stores are NK and Pub.
Eat fish -- Cattelin is a good place.  For real Swedish home cooking,
eat at Zum Franciscaner on Skeppsbron in Old Town.  (Cattelin is in
Old Town, too.)

In Copenhagen, go up Vor Fr�lsers Kyrke (if it's open).  This is the
corkscrew church you can see from downtown.  A city bus goes there.
Across the street from the church is the hippie quarter -- an old
military base that was occupied about 5 years ago.  Walk down Str�get
with the other tourists.  Iliums Bolighus is a good place for shopping
-- also Iliums department store a block away.

Copenhagen is a good place for fish.  There's a good student-ish restaurant
called Tokanten.  If you like modern art, take the train (Eurail works)
about 30 Km north of Copenhagen to Humleb�k and walk the half-mile to
Louisiana (a museum).  It's well worth the trip.

Have a nice trip.

Martin.
(feel free to post this in Scandia if you wish.)
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235.1DrottningholmTLE::SAVAGENeil, @Spit BrookFri Jul 01 1988 15:2350
    Drottningholm Palace has been the official residence of King Carl XVI
    Gustav and his family since 1981. The Baroque-style palace stands on
    the banks of Lake M�laren, just outside Stockholm, the wedding gift to
    Queen Louisa Ulrika from her father-in-law, upon her betrothal to Crown
    Prince Adolph Frederick. 

    But the real draw of this estate is the miniature Court Theater. It
    seems the move from Berlin to Stockholm resulted in culture shock for
    the new queen. But, undaunted by the long, cold winters, and the
    general lack of artistic sophistication at the Swedish court, Queen
    Louisa promptly had the little theater built (first completed in 1754)
    and brought in French theatrical and Italian opera troupes -- to teach
    the Swedes a few things about REAL culture. 

    The original building burned to the ground in 1762, when a young
    candle-bearer stumbed and fell. Four years later, the simple, classic,
    pale yellow creation of court architect Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz stood
    much as it does today. 

    The little theatre was a trumphal success until Louisa's son, King
    Gustav III was assasinated in 1792. Shortly afterward the theater
    closed, and for more than 100 years was used only for storage. 

    Then in 1921 a young art history student entered, looking for a
    painting he was doing research on. He found not only the painting he
    sought but the interior of the 18th-century theater almost perfectly
    intact - stage sets, scenery, curtains, and even the marvelous
    Italian-crafted machinery used to change scenes, and create realistic
    sound effects. 

    The theater has been refurbished and open to visitors since 1922.
    Entertainments include Mozart and Rossini operas, 18th-century theater,
    Italian mime - whatever productions the tiny sets and stage can
    accommodate. 

    Here's some of what John Edward Young wrote in the Christian Science
    Monitor, May 13, 1988, about a production he attended: 

    "Torch-carrying guides in period costume usher the 400 quests to their
    seats. Musicians in costume and powdered wigs, playing old instruments
    pick up the overture. A curtain decorated with Minerva - goddess of the
    arts - goes up and Drottningholm Theater rolls back the centuries,
    bringing the audience the last word, and note, in 18th-century theater
    anywhere." 

    Productions occur only in summer months, and tickets are as hard to get
    as those for some of the most popular Broadway plays. You can take a
    guided tour May through August, every half hour from 12 noon to 16:30
    (that's 4:30 p.m. you North Americans). In September, from 13:00 to
    15:00. 
235.2A brief sketchTLE::SAVAGENeil, @Spit BrookFri Jul 01 1988 17:0558
    Stockholm is arguably the most beautiful capital in Scandinavia and
    among the most attractive in the world. The city floats on 14 islands
    scattered in Lake M�laren among a labyrinth of canals. It supports no
    less than 50 museums, 150 other cultural attractions (churches,
    theaters, opera, ballets), more than 700 restaurants, plus an
    assortment of castles and palaces. 

    Getting around can take some planning -- the waterways keep getting in
    the way. Taxis are expensive, consider the subway system; maybe rent a
    bicycle. 

    From in front of the Grand Hotel, you can take a tour boat "Under the
    Bridges of Stockholm." Of the many boat tours available, this one
    covers the most area, and includes a brief entry into the Baltic.
    
    Stockholm's "Gamla Stan" (Old Town) is exclusively a walking tour.
    Start with the statue of Gustav III across from the Royal Palace. Go to
    the Great Church, where Swedish royalty is christened, crowned, and
    married. View the 500-year old wooden statue of St. George slaying the
    dragon. Many buildings in Gamla Stan date from the 16th to the 18th
    century and house the predictable touristy shops, and restaurants. 

    Riddarholm Church is where centuries of Swedish royalty are laid to
    rest - except Christina, Sweden's only Roman Catholic monarch, who is
    buried at the Vatican. 

    A short hike across the bridge from Gamla Stan, overlooking Lake
    M�laren, is Stadhuset, Stockholm's City Hall - hailed as a magnificent
    example of 20th-century architecture. Here, in the Golden Hall, the
    Nobel Prizes are presented. Take the elevator up into the 348-foot
    tower for a sky view of the city. Below ground is Stadhusk�lleren a
    restaurant with medieval decor, open from 11:00 to 17:00. 

    Stockholms most famous and prestigious restaurant is Operak�lleren. You
    take someone to dinner there when you REALLY want to make an
    impression. I fondly remember being treated to an eight course dinner
    there, with Swedish celebrities at nearby tables. That was long ago
    when I could handle an eight course dinner :-) 
                                                  
    Do not, I repeat DO NOT, leave Stockholm without seeing the Wasa. This
    was the flagship of the Swedish navy when it sank in Stockholm harbor
    just minutes after launching in 1628. After 333 years it was relocated
    and raised from the bottom nearly intact in 1961. It has since been
    restored, housed in its own museum at Djurg�rden, and serves as an
    exhibit of 17th-century Swedish life. 

    Skansen, the worlds first theme park, features an ethnographic exhibit
    of Swedish life in the mid-19th century.  There is also a zoo, and
    dancing in the evenings.
    
    If you like your night life on the wild side, try the Hard Rock Caf� on
    Sveav�gen. 
    
    At the Tourist Center, Sweden House, Kungstr�dgarden, you can (in
    addition to the usual maps and guides) get a Stockholm Card that gives
    you free public transportation, free parking, and admission to about 50
    attractions, including sightseeing and museums. The cost of the card
    depends on how long you purchase it for. 
235.3Restaurants in StockholmBOLT::MINOWIt's not pseudo eclectic, it's real eclecticMon Jul 04 1988 12:05122
(I prepared this for some friends who are travelling to Sweden this month.
Others might find it useful.)

Here's a list of restaurants in and around Stockholm that I was given by
a Swedish friend.  I've been to some: others are new.  * marks special
recommendations.

La Casa Bianca		Best pasta and Italian (50: -- 120:).
Ulriksdals W�rdshus	* Sm�rg�sbord (expensive).  On a beautiful park.
			Very fancy: assume you'll spend a very long lunch there.
Martini			Good pasta, nice atmosphere, downtown (on
			Norrmalmstorg). (50: -- 100:)
Sturehof		* Classical Swedish h�tel du ville restaurant (waiters
			in black tie).  Eat a classical Swedish meal: herring
			(with aquavit and beer), deer, elk, or wildfowl main
			course, and fried Camenbert with hjortron (cloudberry)
			jam for dessert.  Very expensive.
Glada Laxan		Salmon (lax) and other Swedish food.  In Gallerian (a
			downtown shopping mall).  Medium expensive.
Seikoien		Japanese, good food.
Butler			Good Swedish-French.  (Butler started one of the first
			of the "new-wave" restaurants about 10 years ago.)
Biffy			French local bistro on �stermalm.
Escargot		* Fine French.
Eric   			* Fish.  Very good.
Vau-de-ville		Bistro in Kungstr�dg�rden (downtown).
Clas p� Hornet		Very good, exclusive.  (In a building that has been
			used as a restaurant for 400 years.)
Comics	    		Swedish Home Cooking.  (Not Lake Woebegon.)
Kungshallen		Stockholm equivalent of Quincy Market food stalls.
			Many different small stands: many with foreign
			(non-Swedish) owners.
R�rstrandsgatan		This is a street with 6-7 good restaurants.  If my
			notes are correct, Butler and La Casa Bianca are on
			this street.

Here are a few of my own.

Zum Franciskaner	On Skeppsbron at the South-East end of Gamla Stan
			(Old Town).  This is an old bistro that hasn't
			changed its character.  Eat a Swedish lunch (fried
			herring or stew) and drink beer.  One specialty is
			their "caviar" first course.  Not too fancy.  Not
			too expensive.

City Lejon		Student place just North of H�torget (central
			downtown).  Their specialty is a j�tte snitzel,a
			huge wienersnitzel.  A decidedly non-fancy and
			inexpensive place for lunch.

Annorlunda		* Great place for lunch.  Salads and simple warm
			dishes.  Located very central, but a bit tricky to
			find.  Go to the South-East corner of Sveav�gen and
			Kungsgatan (dead center downtown).  Walk South about
			20 meters to a small alleyway.  Turn right and go up
			the stairway to the street (that passes on a bridge
			over Kungsgatan).  You'll pass H:son, one of the major
			porno-film distributors (unless they've moved) and
			Sk�nska Banken.  Annorlunda is just across the street
			next door to the bridge over Kungsgatan.  (Annorlunda
			means "different" -- this was the first semi-vegetarian
			restaurant in Sweden).  Not expensive.  I can't
			remember whether the street is Malmskillnadsgatan or
			Regieringsgatan.

			From the North-East corner of Sveav�gen and Kungsgatan,
			walk North one block to Tunnelgatan.  On the North-East
			corner of Tunnelgatan and Sveav�gen, you'll see a
			small pile of flowers on the ground.  It marks the
			spot where Olof Palme was killed. 

Ceasar	       		Nice French Bistro in �stermalm near Djurg�rden.

Minerva	       		Student place about 1-2 km North of downtown.  Sit at
			long tables and eat entrec�t (horsemeat) or giant
			prawns.  Wonderful french fries, served on huge
			platters to the entire table.  On Surbrunnsgatan, I
			think.  A block or so from Sabbatsbergs Hospital.

NK cafeteria		NK is the Jordan Marsh of Stockholm.  There's a
			cafeteria on their roof that has a nice view of
			Kungstr�dgarden.

Vaxholms steamboat	* Take the steamboat out to the archipelago.  You can
			get off at Vaxholm (nice small town) and walk around,
			or  continue into the islands (Grinda is a nice place
			for a picnic).  On the way back, eat "steamboat beef"
			in the restaurant.  Note: you have to make sure you
			have the correct boat and make dinner reservations as
			early as possible (in the morning when you sail out).
			The boats leave from the pier in front of the Grand
			hotel.  There are also boats going out to the royal
			summer residence at Drottningholm.  (These leave from
			a pier between the Central train station and City
			Hall.)  If possible, try to get tickets to the
			Drottningholm opera.  If you pull this off, you can
			take a boat out (with dinner) and return on the same
			boat.  This is very well worth doing.  I would be
			happy to guide you.

Gourmet			* One star in Michelin.  You can't afford it either.

Conditori F�f�ngen	* This is a place for coffee located on Fj�llgatan on
			S�der (the South island).  It has a phenomenal view of
			the harbor.  It's about a mile from the South end of
			Old Town: you'll need a map or take a taxi.  Fj�llgatan
			-- assuming they haven't renovated it -- is one of the
			nicer old streets in Stockholm.  F�f�ngen translates
			as "idle vanity."

Ikea			* Take the suburban train to, I think, Tumba.  Take
			the bus to Ikea.  This is the furniture store to end
			all furniture stores.  There's an inexpensive, but
			quite good, restaurant/cafeteria on the top floor.
			This is the furniture the Swedes have in their homes. 


A few other notes: remember that alcohol is extremely expensive.  The only
decent beer I've found is Spendrup's Old Gold. Wine is reasonable.  There are
a couple of good pubs; one in Old Town has jazz (forgot it's name).


235.4MillesgardenTLE::SAVAGENeil, @Spit BrookTue Jul 05 1988 13:4322
    Carl Milles was a Swedish artist, internationally famous for his
    whimsical sculptures of allegorical and mythological creatures and
    spirits. 

    In 1906, after many years abroad, Milles and his Austrian wife, Olga,
    purchased a site on the island of Liding�, high above Lake V�rtan,
    overlooking Stockholm. It was to be their home, studio, and finally one
    of the most spectacular and popular museums in Sweden. Here are found
    bronze copies of Milles' major works that exist throughout Sweden and
    in the United States. 

    Most photographed is a group of angels, with trumpets and flutes in
    hand, perched on pillars, silhouetted against the sky. 

    Millesgarden is open to visitors year round, Tuesday through Sunday: 

	October - April, from 11:00 to 17:00
	May & September, from 10:00 to 19:00
	June & July, 7:00 to 21:00, Tuesdays and Thursdays

    To get there from the center of Stockholm, you can take a bus, boat, or
    the subway. 
235.5Completing the list of restaurants.STKAI1::HOGBERGThomas H�gberg ,Stockholm Wed Jul 06 1988 11:5632
    Re 235.3
    
    Your list of restaurants is superb but not complete, think of all
    those Americans coming over.I would like to add those adresses to
    your list.
    
    Kungsgatan 4
    Sveav�gen 71
    G�tgatan 91
    S:t Eriksgatan 32
    Norrlandsgatan 13
    Hornsgatan 88
    Folkungagatan 50
    Sergelgatan 4
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Thats all McDonalds restaurants we have here in Stockholm.
    
    ^P Thomas
    
235.6Restaurant reviewsBOLT::MINOWIt's not pseudo eclectic, it's real eclecticTue Aug 09 1988 16:12104
Back from a somewhat expensive, but enjoyable trip.  Don't believe the
"official" exchange rate.  If you assume that there are ten kroner to
the dollar, prices start looking understandable.  (Unfortunately, there
are six...)  Here's an updating of the places I ate at, and some I didn't

La Casa Bianca		Best pasta and Italian (50: -- 120:).
** Excellent.

Sturehof		* Classical Swedish h�tel du ville restaurant (waiters
			in black tie).  Eat a classical Swedish meal: herring
			(with aquavit and beer), deer, elk, or wildfowl main
			course, and fried Camenbert with hjortron (cloudberry)
			jam for dessert.  Very expensive.
** Closed for renovation until mid 1989.

Glada Laxan		Salmon (lax) and other Swedish food.  In Gallerian (a
			downtown shopping mall).  Medium expensive.
** Ate there for lunch.  Not bad for a shopping mall restaurant.  No
atmosphere (reminded me of Legal Seafoods).  Had a salmon dish that was
ok, but not spectacular.  Reasonable value for the money.  (80-90 kr for
the main course.)

Butler			Good Swedish-French.  (Butler started one of the first
			of the "new-wave" restaurants about 10 years ago.)
** Walked by one evening.  Same old place.  (A good friend used to live
around the corner.)

Eric   			* Fish.  Very good.
** This is an understatement.  Eric's is on a boat on the "Park Ave." of
Stockholm.  I went there with one of the people for whom I prepared this
guide on her last evening in Stockholm.  She had gravad lax (for the
first time) and turbot in champaigne sauce.  I had the best lobster
bisque I'd ever eaten and a grilled salmon with morel sauce that was
equally fantastic.  We shared a bottle of wine, but decided to skip
dessert.  The waiter brought a plate of petits-fours with coffee.  The
bill came to 990 Kr.  Then we walked around and ended up at Prinsen for
dessert.  (see below.)

Kungshallen		Stockholm equivalent of Quincy Market food stalls.
			Many different small stands: many with foreign
			(non-Swedish) owners.
** Grabbed a quick-lunch gyro one afternoon.  Ok, but the Swedes put garlic
in their food like New Yorkers put vermouth in their martinis.

Here are a few of my own.

Zum Franciskaner	On Skeppsbron at the South-East end of Gamla Stan
			(Old Town).  This is an old bistro that hasn't
			changed its character.  Eat a Swedish lunch (fried
			herring or stew) and drink beer.  One specialty is
			their "caviar" first course.  Not too fancy.  Not
			too expensive.
** Lunch: still going strong.  Gamla Stan has gotten too cutsey-touristy
for my taste.  Stay away, especially, from �sterl�nggatan.

City Lejon		Student place just North of H�torget (central
			downtown).  Their specialty is a j�tte snitzel,a
			huge wienersnitzel.  A decidedly non-fancy and
			inexpensive place for lunch.
** Lunch: unchanged.  Prices still reasonable.

Annorlunda		* Great place for lunch.  Salads and simple warm
			dishes.  Located very central, but a bit tricky to
			find.  Go to the South-East corner of Sveav�gen and
			Kungsgatan (dead center downtown).  Walk South about
			20 meters to a small alleyway.  Turn right and go up
			the stairway to the street (that passes on a bridge
			over Kungsgatan).  You'll pass H:son, one of the major
			porno-film distributors (unless they've moved) and
			Sk�nska Banken.  Annorlunda is just across the street
			next door to the bridge over Kungsgatan.  (Annorlunda
			means "different" -- this was the first semi-vegetarian
			restaurant in Sweden).  Not expensive.  I can't
			remember whether the street is Malmskillnadsgatan or
			Regieringsgatan.
** Lunch: unchanged. 

Ikea			* Take the suburban train to, I think, Tumba.  Take
			the bus to Ikea.  This is the furniture store to end
			all furniture stores.  There's an inexpensive, but
			quite good, restaurant/cafeteria on the top floor.
			This is the furniture the Swedes have in their homes. 
** Good lunch of gravad lax.

Also,

Prinsen			Downtown on Master Samuelsgatan near Briger Jarlsgatan.
			Old-fashioned place with good food and a happy crowd.
			Reminds me of a good French bistro.  Open late.
			After our gold-pated meal at Eric's, we had a late
			dessert here.  Quite nice.

M�lerdrottning		Went out for the evening with an old friend and his
			lady love.  We walked around Drottningholm, and he
			said they had just gotten married.  "Then I have to
			treat you to a good meal."  Ended up at M�lerdrottning,
			a fish restaurant housed in a fantastic yacht moored
			at the end of Lake M�ler downtown.  My friend is
			on a strict diet, so he convinced the chef to make
			him a fish broth.  Charlotte and I had -- hmm, can't
			remember what -- but it was very good.  Expensive,
			though.

Martin.
235.7Some Stockholm discosNEILS::SAVAGEWed Jun 20 1990 11:4584
    From: [email protected] (David Walden)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Subject: some Stockholm discos
    Date: 20 Jun 90 06:53:37 GMT
    Organization: Information Sciences Institute, Univ. of So. California
 
 
	ATLANTIC -> COMEDIA
 
    I am sad to report that the Atlantic disco has bitten the dust. It was
    the only disco that I had been able to find in Stockholm that had
    decent disco music AND wasn't so loud that one could actually converse. 
    In its place is an attempt at an upscale club called Comedia.  It's the
    old Atlantic with pretension.  Men are encouraged to wear neckwear, and
    there is a budding Stockholm limousine service (complete with
    blacked-out windows) that hurries off with the stuffier of Stockholm's
    yuppies haughtily stuffed within.  L.A. types will chuckle at the
    length of these "chopped" limousines, but then, L.A. limos don't have
    to negotiate Gamla Stan.
 
	BERNS SALLONGER
 
    The crowd that used to go to Atlantic seems to have moved to nearby
    Berns Sallonger.  It's in a restaurant just off the little park where
    Hamngatan meets Strandv{gen.  It turns into a disco at midnight and
    runs until 3:00 a.m. on weekends.  It has good dance music, there's no
    cover charge and the clientele ranges primarily between 25 and 35.
 
	KING CREOLE
 
    For two years, now, I've wanted to check out King Creole, a disco on
    Kungsgatan a block east of Sveav{gen.  It has a decidedly American
    motif:  A two-story Statue of Liberty in one window and the faces of
    Manny, Moe and Jack in the other.  I hear that on one night of the week
    they have swing dancing, but when I went on a Saturday night there was
    a long line of just guys outside.  Not wanting to dance with guys, I
    decided to wait until THREE years had passed.
 
	DOWNTOWN
 
    A disco that has been around awhile, but which I just checked out, is
    Downtown.  It's on Norrlandsgatan, across the street from Cafe Gateau,
    half a block north from Kungstr�dg�rden.  It's downstairs, and there
    are two dance floors quite well acoustically separated. I was very
    impressed with a couple of the dancers there.  They appear to have
    spent some time in the U.S. (or took lessons from someone who did),
    such that they displayed some of the most admirable points of U.S.
    disco culture.  One guy (who was always dancing alone) was obviously
    one of the "dancers".  These are people who dress for sweating -
    sneakers, jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - but who are such good dancers
    that they are allowed into the club for the "dancing aura" they imbue.
    He danced on one floor as long as the songs were to his liking.  If the
    music changed or someone was watching him too closely for too long, he
    would quickly stop and scoot over to the other dance floor (mustn't
    give away all your material, you know).  Another "dancer" was a girl
    with a black pants outfit, straignt black hair and a white bandeau top. 
    She danced with good, sharp well-defined, quick and certain movements. 
    She knew what she was doing.  Her friend wasn't as good or as
    well-dressed, and she appeared to be The Prop.  The Dancer decided when
    they would dance and on what floor.  The Prop just went along.  The
    Dancer also had all the proper Attitude.  She danced at the edge of the
    floor where she could be seen.   And she had a nasty angry look about
    her that said "No Dick Here Is Good Enough to Dance with Me.  And If
    You Think So, You Better Be from L.A."  :)
 
    And she knew the Quick Scoot.  God, did she do it well.  The point
    about disco dancing, really GOOD disco dancing, is that you must
    exhibit your dancing enough to properly impress, but not so much that
    you give away all your best moves to your competition.  So when you see
    someone watching you, you give it your best.  But if they watch too
    intently, or if a small group gathers, it's time to move away. And with
    vigah!  So Miss Nasty first started doing all her good stuff when she
    saw me watching her.  I really enjoyed it.  But when when realized I
    was STUDYING her - BAM!  Total stop and break with the music, turn and
    do a very quick walk all the way to the other side of the dance floor
    or to the other dance floor entirely.  The un- written understanding is
    that no one would so lack pride as to Quick Scoot right on after her to
    continue watching.  But she hadn't reckonned with the likes of me.  I
    followed the poor girl until she finally had to stop dancing.  There's
    just no way to deal with guys with no Attitude!
 
 
				"Disco" Dave Walden
				[email protected]
235.8More advice, including expense ratings of storesCHARLT::SAVAGETue Sep 04 1990 17:0747
    From: [email protected] (Lennart Boerjeson @ KTH/LNE,
	The Royal Inst. of Tech.)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Subject: Re: Recommendations?
    Date: 30 Aug 90 15:41:47 GMT
    Organization: KTH School of E.E.
 
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Steve Wolfson)
    writes:

  >During the first 2 weeks of October, I will be on a tour covering Stockholm, 
  >Helsinki, Oslo, and Copenhagen.
  >
  >Fortunatly the tour leaves time for self exploration.
  >Any recommendations for places to visit/shop/eat etc are welcomed.  Even
  >possibly places to go on day trips outside of these cities.
  >

    In Stockholm:

      To visit in the city: Townhall, Royal Treasury, Vasa museum
      To shop in the city (moderately cheap):  AAhle'ns (department store)
          -"-             (more expensive)  :  NK (department store)
          -"-             (even more so)    :  Sturegallerian (shopping mall)
      To eat              (cheap)           :  City Lejon, Olofsgatan
          -"-             (more expensive)  :  Rendezvous, Apelbergsgatan
          -"-             (very expensive)  :  Erik's, Strandvdgen
 
     To visit outside the city: The archipelago (take a boat to Utoe, enjoy
                                the scenery), Drottningholm Castle & Park
 
    >Any bargains to be had, or should I not get my hopes up on getting a cut
    >rate B & O stereo system? :-)
 
    No bargains... Sweden is expensive! But there is a posh hifi store in
    Sturegallerian where you can look, hear and feel most of B&O's
    equipment. I would expect to get better prices in Denmark, where they
    are made.
 
    !++
    ! Lennart Boerjeson, System Manager
    ! School of Electrical Engineering
    ! Royal Institute of Technology
    ! S-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden
    ! tel: int+46-8-7907814
    ! Internet: [email protected]
    !--
235.9Re:.4: another Millesgarden recommendationCHARLT::SAVAGEThu Sep 13 1990 13:2322
    From: [email protected] (Peter Herman x5495)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Subject: Re: Recommendations?
    Date: 31 Aug 90 21:35:49 GMT
    Organization: NMSU Computer Science
 
    In addition to Lennarts good Stockholm recommendations, I think a
    really nice place to visit (if the weather is decent and who knows in
    October) is the Millesg}rden (sp?) on Liding|.  This museum and
    sculpture garden has one of Stockholm's nicest views.  The grounds are
    large and you can take a quiet walk in a beautiful setting. While not
    directly "on the beaten path", it is quite easy to get to by public
    transport. Milles is (along with Zorn) one of the few Swedish  artists
    with a significant body of work available for viewing in the US.
    However, nothing in the US can compare to the overall quality or
    setting available in this museum.
 
    [email protected]
 
    Peter Herman 
    Dept. of Biology 
    New Mexico State University
235.10OperaTLE::SAVAGEFri Mar 08 1991 11:5033
    From: [email protected] (Torkel Franzen)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Subject: Re: Opera in Stockholm May or June?
    Date: 7 Mar 91 16:06:24 GMT
    Sender: [email protected]
    Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
 
    In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
    writes:
 
   >Does anybody know when the opera season ends in Stockholm? Are there any
   >operas being performed late in May or in June?
 
    The last performance of the season is given on the 19th of June, and
    it's Mozart's _Die Entfuehrung aus dem Serail_. Operas performed from
    May 20th to June 19th include Carmen, Hoffmann, Cinderella, Electra
    (these last two at Drottningsholmsteatern), _Die Entfuehrung_. Tickets
    are sold four weeks in advance, and you should get them well before the
    date of the performance.
 
    I think it's generally conceded that the Stockholm Opera is in a bit of
    a slump at present. The quality of performances varies considerably;
    most of the big names in Swedish opera sing abroad rather than in
    Stockholm, for various reasons. However, performances are never shabby,
    and are sometimes very good. I haven't seen any of the productions
    mentioned above, so I can't comment on them. Hoffman was one of the few
    big new productions of the season.
 
    I think you would be interested in "Folkoperan", a small independent
    company in Stockholm which has presented some very fine productions in
    the past few years - in particular, I would mention their _Turandot_,
    which was wonderful. By an unhappy coincidence, their main opera this
    season is also _Hoffman_. I don't know when their season ends.
235.1160s renewal: progress or blight?TLE::SAVAGEWed May 06 1992 15:5589
    From: [email protected] (Mats Winberg)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic                                       
    Subject: Stockholm city planning of the '60s
    Date: 5 May 92 08:23:13 GMT
    Sender: [email protected]
    Organization: Ericsson
 
 
    A TV-documentary called "Staden i mitt hjaerta" (The city of my heart)
    shown here in Sweden has caused a discussion in the media about the
    restructuring of Stockholm city during the 1960's (Some say
    destruction). The TV-program used old photograps and films to show the
    contrast between the old city and the concrete and glass-filled
    nightmare of today. When they showed how Brunkebergstorg had once
    looked like , one wanted to cry in anger. How could the city-planners
    of the '60s be allowed to destroy so much of our heritage. I mean they
    took down 17-th century houses in order to make room for 6-lane streets
    (Sveavaegen south of Kungsgatan). There weren't much opposition to the
    destruction of the city, until they wanted to take down the trees in
    Kungstraedgaarden to make room for a subway entrance. This was
    fortunately stopped in 1971, but by then the damage to the city was
    already done.
 
    There are now people saying that the best thing would be to destroy the
    modern city and try to restore the old "If Warzaw and other WWII
    destroyed cities could do it, we should also be able to do it" they
    say. Even if this is not realistic, architects and city-planners of
    today are thinking on how to improve the city.
 
    Who is to blame for what happened ? Partly I think one has to blame the
    ruling party of that time, the Social Democrats. They had in the
    mid-fifties been in power for 20 odd years and were now fully in
    control of the state. Sweden, unaffected of WWII destruction, was now
    gearing up as an industrial nation and resources were plentiful. The
    city with it's old buildings and palaces of the 17th century nobility
    must have been a thorn in their side, reminding them that Sweden's
    history didn't start with the foundation of the Social Democratic Party
    in the late 19th century. Also, they wanted to change the society, and
    like all rulers in all times had to leave their mark to history.
 
    Unfortunately, the destruction of Stockholm city isn't an isolated
    occurence, in many smaller cities throughout Sweden the often very old
    city cores had to give way to ugly "boxes" which contained
    supermarkets. All this had of course social impacts: The small cafe's,
    shops, and craftsmen had to leave the city and go to the suburbs were
    they soon died away.
 
    As the TV-documentary pointed out, old houses could have been restored
    in a pious manner as have been done in Gamla Brogatan just a few blocks
    away from the modern city.
 
    Today, there are still threats to be dealt with: For instance, the
    so-called "third railway track" that is going to take a large chunk out
    of Riddarholmen.   
 
 
      Mats Winberg
      [email protected]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    From: [email protected] (Johan Widen)
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    Subject: Re: Stockholm city planning of the '60s
    Date: 5 May 92 15:31:09 GMT
    Sender: [email protected]
    Organization: Johan Widen Data AB
 
    Not everyone agrees with [Mats Winberg]. I think the renovation of
    Stockholm has been an improvement. I like many of the new buildings. I
    don't mean that one should tear down everything old, but there is
    plenty of old stuff left as it is.
 
    I do think that there is by far too much traffic in the city though.
    Too much of Stockholm, and other Swedish towns, has been given over to
    the car.
 
  >	Today, there are still threats to be dealt with: For instance, the
  >	so-called "third railway track" that is going to take a large
  >	chunk out of Riddarholmen.
 
    I don't call this a threat, I call it progress.
 
    One new railway track... And in the neighbourhood there are streets and
    streets and streets. Why does not anybody complain about the streets?

    --
    Johan Widen					Tel: +46 760 20 120
    Johan Widen Data AB				Fax: +46 760 27 761
    Hugingatan 20, S-195 52 MARSTA, SWEDEN	Internet: [email protected]
235.12Beautiful city; nice peopleTLE::SAVAGETue Apr 06 1993 17:23133
    Note: the opinions and subjective observations of the author of the
    following piece are, of course, his own.  He is not a participant of
    this conference, so there's no point in flaming him here.  To reach
    him, try the internet address.
    
    
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    From: [email protected] (Bonehead)
    Subject: My vacation
    Organization: Bonehead Central
    Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 18:28:33 GMT
 
 
    This was just tossed together, so please excuse me for spelling and 
    grammar errors.
 
    Well I just thought I would post a small letter about my trip to 
    Sweden, Norway and Denmark.  An outsiders point of view.
 
    Let me first say, I have been to just about every state in the  U.S.
    and I have seen most of all the large cities the US and Canada have to
    offer, and never have I been in a place as Beautiful as Stockholm.  
 
    Entry into Sweden was no problem.  The trip over was a little tiring,
    but not as bad as I expected.  After traveling all night I arrived  in
    Stockholm about 8:00am (swedish time) and started the trip.
 
    My brother came along with me to visit some friends at the "Techniska
    H�gskolan" (Royal Institute of Technology) who do surface science
    research.  
 
    My first experience of Swedish food was the ever famous "Korv", pretty
    good actually.  I attempted to order a Grillard Korv w/Brod and mas 
    potatoes, but apparently my swedish leaves something to be desired.
 
    The guy behind the counter looked me right in the eye, and said in 
    almost perfect english, with no accent.  "What did you say?",  I just
    laughed and pointed at the board.  Not a bad deal for 15 Kronar.
 
    We spent most of the rest of the day checking out stores and stuff in
    Stockholm.   Later that evening we were taken to dinner by the
    Institute at a really neat eatry.   It's about a block from the Castle
    downtown, in a Cellar,  and it's called Diana's.  Talk about fantastic
    food!  I  had cavair, and the grilled salmon.
 
    The jet lag finally started kicking and and we needed to get some
    sleep.
 
    Over the next few days I did a lot of exploring of the city.  We were 
    staying with a friend.  He lived on Arstervagan, so I took the
    underground all over the place.  I really love the mass transit system
    you have in Sweden, it was wonderful.  T-Centralen was really nice. 
    All the stops  were clean, excepting the traditional grafitti (present
    in all cultures).
 
    The old town shopping district was very nice, it was exactly what I
    would think of Europe.  5 to 6 story buildings on either side and very
    narrow  alleys.  The Gamla Stan exit if I remember correctly.
 
    One of the things that caught me off guard was the clean factor of the
    city.
 
    I won't go into a lot of detail about the areas I saw in Stockholm, I
    don't  want to bore you.  
 
    Next we went to Lund, to the university down there.  Again it was just
    beautiful, and there was a church built back hundreds and hundreds of
    years ago.  Legend has it, that it was built by some giant, it was
    beautiful.
 
    Down to Malm� and over to Copenhagen.  Copenhagen sure has a lot of
    banks.  It was nice, but not as clean as Stockholm. Great place to shop
    tho'.
 
    Back to Lund, then up to Oslo.  
 
    Oslo was very nice, but again it was even dirtier than Copenhagen.  A
    lot more people seemed to drive there as well.
 
    Back to Stockholm and four more days of seeing the city.  Then my stay
    in perhaps the most beautiful city I have ever seen was over.  
 
    Now a few observations...
 
    1)  I think Americans could really benefit from seeing other cultures. 
    We generally live in a very narrow band of thinking.  I saw a city that
    seemed more advanced than most of our cities, but still was centuries
    older than out entire country.
 
    2)  Why in the hell doesn't the US have a real train system.  Sure we
    cover a lot more area, but after seeing the efficency of the Swedish
    train  and subway system, I don't even want to own a car anymore.
 
    3) Obviously the schooling in Sweden is superior to ours in the US. 
    Just about every person I talked to, spoke english.  I learned some
    swedish while I was there and was amazed at how sharp everyone seemed
    to be. We stayed with a friend in Lund whose daughter was in the 8th
    grade.  They were going back to the US in June, for good, but the
    daughter had been speaking swedish for 5 years and passed for native. 
    She talked about the schools back in the states, and joked about how
    easy it was compared to Lund.
 
    4) The people I met over there, were some of the most polite and fun 
    people I have ever met.  Everyone was attractive.  Especially the
    women. But I mean really, all the people seemed very attractive.
 
    5) Dear Swedes, ease up on the smoking thing.  It's not good for you.
 
    6) The Fenix!!!!  Anyone reading this who lives in Stockholm must go
    here. They have the coolest roulette tables I have ever seen.  The
    girls running the wheels are named... Sara, Anika and Helen.  The
    numbers to bet on  are 18, 0 and 35.  Trust me.  Get off in T-Centralen
    and walk up the  Vasagatan exit stairs.
 
    Finally.  I went to see the Vasa.  Seeing this boat, which was approx
    350 years old, made me wonder.  The US has really only been around in a
    truly organized  fashion for 230 years.  (this includes a lot of pre
    independance stuff) But Sweden has been around for a LONG time.  I
    think we should not try to act at the world revolves around just us. 
    There are a lot of other places out there who may not have the same
    economic clout, but sure as hell have the cultural clout, and they
    deserve to be heard as well.
 
    All in all it really opened my eyes to new thinking.  I am sure there
    are  problems in Sweden, every country has them, but dang, You
    guys/gals in Sweden/Denmark/Norway sure have your act together.  I plan
    to return in the fall.
 
    I must say very loudly!  TACK, TACK, TACK!   What a neat place.
 
    Ken Hovanes
    [email protected]
    (205)730-3781
235.13Youth hostelsTLE::SAVAGEWed Nov 24 1993 15:1249
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
    Subject: Re: Things to do in Stockholm?
    Sender: [email protected]
    Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
    Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 22:00:33 GMT
 
 
    Here are some of the youth hostels in stockholm (with phone numbers):
 
     Brygghuset       Norrtullsg. 12         312424
     Columbus         Tj�rhovsg. 11          441717
     Gustaf af Klint  Stadsg�rdskajen 17     404077, 404078
     Hostel Frescati  Professorslingan 13    159434
     Klubbensborg     H�gersten              6461255
     STF              Skeppsholmen           103715
     STF              L�ngholmen             6680510
     STF              Zinkens v. 20          6685786
 
    They should be around 12 bucks or more a night.. (the last three are
    prisons made to hostels, and one of them is an old ship.)
 
    I recommend "China" on the crossing of Hagagatan and Odengatan -- very
    good chinese place and it's cheap! good food, good cozy environment...
    (plus a LOAD of food!)
 
 
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: [email protected] | These opinions are my OWN,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Scandinavia)

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    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    From: [email protected] (Ari Sadarjoen)
    Subject: Re: Things to do in Stockholm?
    Organization: Delft University of Technology
    Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 09:50:00 GMT
 
    I wouldn't recommend the Gustaf af Klint ship. I'm not sure of all the
    rooms, but the one I saw was very small, and  not as nice and clean as
    the rooms in Laangholmen which seem like paradise ;-)
 
    ARIvederci!
 
   -- 
   Ari Sadarjoen           Internet: [email protected]
   Delft, Holland.         Fidonet: 2:281/256.18
235.14Water FestivalTLE::SAVAGEMon Aug 01 1994 17:2828
    If you are going to be in Stockholm in early August, you may want to take
    note of the following notes:
    
    	181.14
    	181.15
    	181.31
    
    
     In correspondence on SWEDE-L <SWEDE-L%[email protected]>,
    Torkel Franzen <[email protected]> says:
    
    "A word of explanation about the fireworks. This is a very unofficial
    fireworks 'world championship competition', with five or six countries
    represented.  Each night of the festival, one of the competing
    countries sets off a gigantic display of fireworks, and the judges pick
    a winner at the end of the week. They used to be fired off from
    Riddarfj�rden, but for some reason they moved it to Str�mmen. These
    fireworks are truly stupendous, filling the skies above Stockholm with
    gigantic leaps and flares of color and sound, reflecting in the water,
    echoing around the shores. Since the judges are connoisseurs with a
    critical eye, the contestants don't just rely on big bangs and flares,
    but conjure forth waves and rains and subtle flows of color, in a
    rich profusion, to overwhelming effect, such as is rarely seen. I
    didn't watch the displays last year, since I've moved to Haninge and
    didn't feel like joining the vast throng of people returning to their
    homes, but I stepped out on the balcony and saw the fireworks clearly
    on the horizon, some twenty-five kilometers away."
    
235.15Gold room at Historiska MuseetTLE::SAVAGEThu Oct 06 1994 14:1926
    Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
    From: [email protected] (Mats Winberg)
    Subject: The Gold Room at Historiska opened
    Sender: [email protected]
    Organization: no
    Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:33:17 GMT
 
    
    Yesterday the gold room at Historiska Museet in Stockholm was
    opened. It has taken two years to build the large vault 8 meters
    under ground. The gold treasures of Historiska have not been shown
    for decades. It is one of finest collections in the world containing
    two thousand pieces, among them gold coins from the Roman Empire
    and treasures from the Viking Age. Many of the pieces are priceless
    not because of the gold value but because of their art value. There are many
    examples of the craftsmanship of the prehistoric smiths of Sweden.
    The management of the museum expects the gold room to become as
    popular as the Vasa museum. Beside all the modern safety measures
    protecting the gold, there are also magic runes on the walls and the
    dragon Fafne carved in the stonefloor, guarding the gold.
 
 
    Mats Winberg
    Stockholm,Sweden
 
 
235.16Stockholm on the World Wide WebTLE::SAVAGETue Jun 13 1995 16:4419
    To: International Swedish Interest discussion list
    Roland Johansson <[email protected]>
    Subj:   Re: Going to Stockholm?
    
    I have found a helpful little page for those who plan a trip to
    Stockholm.
    
    First open location http://www.sunet.se/IETF33/
    
    Then choose information.html
    
    /Roland
    ============================================================
    Roland Johansson        Mail:  [email protected]
    c/o Falkner             Web:   http://www.bahnhof.se/~floyd/
    Saetra torg 12          Phone: +46-8-88 56 11
    S-127 38 Skaerholmen
    Sweden
    ============================================================
235.17Restaurants on the increaseTLE::SAVAGETue Feb 06 1996 11:5446
    From: [email protected]
    To: List for those interested in things Swedish
    Subject: Eating out in Sweden
    
    I just want to add my 2 Lire in the current discussion about eating
    out in Sweden. First of all, I have not been a regular guest at
    Swedish restaurants for a couple of years, but my old friends in
    Stockholm do confirm that these my experiences still are more or less
    valid.
    
    Eating dinner out in Stockholm used to be extremely expensive due to
    quite hard regulations from the city council on licenses to serve
    alcohol. This kept of course the number of restaurants limited since
    it was and still is impossible to run a successful business without
    the possibility to serve a glass of wine or a pint of beer to the
    dinner guests. Anyway, the restaurant owners complained to the
    authority that regules the free competion in markets and won. The
    city of Stockholm had to give away more serving licenses. The only
    reason now to not get one is criminal background, such as not pay
    the proper taxes.
    
    This resulted of course in a huge expansion in the reataurant market.
    Stockholm did finally get as many restaurants as it used to have
    during the days of Carl Michael Bellman. Since competion rised,
    prices dropped and suddenly you could find bears for below 30 SEK.
    This situation has been more or less stable since the late 80's.
    Stockholm is nowadays only the 40'th most expensive capitol in the
    world for eating and accomadation.
    
    Lunches out used to cost 45 SEK due to the maximum allowance the the
    employers were allowed to give before taxation. This changed when the
    big taxation reform happened a couple of years ago. 'Dagens r�tt'
    (the dish of the day) is still normally a bargain. You get a hot
    meal, bread, butter, beverage and coffe in a packet.
    
    McDonalds had come to stay in Sweden. There have been tries from
    conservative left wing and green politicians to stop them asking for
    cutlery or demanding less waste. McDonalds have now committed to not
    use the boxes of styrofoam. They still serve their hamburgers wrapped
    in paper. I cannot see why McDonalds should not be in Sweden. We have
    imported all fast food and I for one do prefer a hamburger to a 'Korv
    med mos'. The Swedish hamburger equivalent, 'pannbiff', has by the
    way always had a place in the cuisine.
    
    Mats
      <[email protected]>
235.18One day in the "Venice of the North"TLE::SAVAGEWed May 22 1996 15:3463
From: clind <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Trip to Scandinavia
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 22:06:43 +0200
Organization: Caravan Software AB
  
My suggestion for one day (Stockholm, Sweden):
 
  * Book a room at the "Columbus" youth hostel, =
 
    subway exit "Medborgarplatsen", or if you are rich,
    the Royal Viking Hotel by the Central Station.
 
  * Make sure the weather is fine. (if not, do a real
    viking sacrifice to the gods, eg. have a large beer)
 
  * Take a walk from the hotel 5 minutes uphill to "Mosebacke",
    and have a coffee/beer/whatever. The view is breathtaking.
    You will see a large part of the town, and it's location on
    several islands. To the right you will also see the giant
    finnish-operated boats to finland (you must go there later!),
    and to the left the old town. Straight ahead you will see
    our amusement park "Gr�na Lund".
    =
 
  * Continue downto "Gamla Stan" (Old Town). Just stroll around,
    and have a pizza, beer again or whatever. If you don't have
    a lot of money, buy food at a store and eat it at the west
    waterfront (by "riddarfj�rden").
 
  * Continue to "slussen" and have a ferry to "Fj�derholmarna",
    (feather islands) OR (cheaper) a ferry to "Gr�na Lund", the
    amusement park. Behind the park, you also have our most famous
    museum, the "Wasa" ship, and the "Skansen" animal park (most
    suitable for families though).
 
  * Take the ferry back to "Nybroviken". By this time, it should be =
 
    evening. Find the "Opera cafe" (there are usually a line), and
    have a look at the "jet-set" of Stockholm. Be sure to change
    clothes in order to get in, it's not formal, but sneakers
    and dirty clothes will *not* do.
    A more laidback alternative to the cafe, is to visit the swedish
    cultural center right in middle of the city. They usually have
    exhibits and other stuff, but I really don't know when they close.
    Look at http://www.kulturhuset.stockholm.se/
 
 This is just a suggestion, there are many more things you could do.
 Look at http://www.stockholm.se/en-guide.html
 
I have to stress the fact that in Stockholm, the town itself is what
you have to see. I regard Stockholm to be one of the most beatiful =
 
cities in the world, with only SF and Sidney to compete =
 
(at least of what I have seen). I also think that Oslo, Bergen,
Helsinki, Tampere & �rhus are great for tourists.
    =
 
Good Luck,
 
Christer.