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| 37.1 | Update | OSL02::TERJE | Terje Schj�nneberg | Sat Jan 18 1986 13:34 | 4 |
| Just for the record: Crown Princess M�rtha died many years ago.
I don't know the exact year, but I think it was in the '50.
Terje.
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| 37.2 | Royal visitors | TLE::SAVAGE | Neil, @Spit Brook | Thu Apr 03 1986 09:41 | 13 |
| Associated Press Wed 02-APR-1986 15:23
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - Dutch Queen Beatrix and her husband
Prince Claus will visit Norway next month, a spokesman for the Dutch
Royal House said Wednesday.
The three-day visit, scheduled to begin May 13, is to include stops at
Oslo, the nation's capital, and the western port city of Stavanger,
according to spokesman Hans Bax, who said no further details about the
royal couple's program were available.
Norway is the second Scandinavian country to receive a state visit from
Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus. In October 1984, they went to Denmark.
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| 37.3 | | TLE::SAVAGE | Neil, @Spit Brook | Fri Apr 11 1986 07:21 | 20 |
| Associated Press Thu 10-APR-1986 21:54 BRF--US-Sweden
Swedish Royalty To Tour United States in 1988
WASHINGTON (AP) - Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia plan
to tour the United States in 1988 for ceremonies marking the 350th
anniversary of the first Swedish colony in the New World.
Ingemund Bengtsson, speaker of the Swedish parliament, announced the
visit at a news conference Thursday and said plans are being made in
both countries for a celebration, entitled "New Sweden '88."
Legislation has been introduced in Congress calling for President
Reagan to proclaim 1988 as the "Year of New Sweden." Swedish colonists
arrived in the Delaware River valley in March 1628 to establish
Sweden's first and only colony.
Plans call for the Swedish royalty to visit Washington; Wilmington,
Del.; Philadelphia; New York; Chicago; Rock Island, Ill.; Moline, Ill.;
Dallas; Houston; Minneapolis; St. Paul, Minn., and Los Angeles.
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| 37.4 | Denmark's crown prince | TLE::SAVAGE | Neil, @Spit Brook | Mon Jun 30 1986 14:13 | 28 |
| Associated Press Sat 28-JUN-1986 14:44
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - Denmark's Crown Prince Frederik is heading
to Mongolia as a member of an eight-man photographic expedition.
Frederik, who upon turning 18 last month assumed new duties as the
successor to the Danish throne, told reporters it was his idea to join
the three-month expedition to some of the most remote regions of
Central Asia.
At his first press conference, he said, "I am an equal member of the
expedition, and no special measures have been taken because I'm going
along." "It's possible the trip could be dangerous," Frederik added,
"but if something unforeseen happens, we can be rescued by helicopter."
Heading the expedition is Colonel Soeren Haslund-Christensen whose
father, Henning Haslund-Christensen, was credited with making valuable
ethnographic studies in Mongolia in the 1920s and 1930s.
The purpose of the expedition is to film a documentary television
series on life among nomadic peoples in the autonomous region of Inner
Mongolia. The group leaves Sunday for the Mongolian capital, Ulan
Bator. They plan to travel across Mongolia in Landrover vehicles, on
horseback and on camels.
The series, expected to be completed by May 1987, will be produced by
Denmark's state broadcasting company, Danmarks Radio, and the British
private television station Channel Four.
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| 37.5 | Sweden's royal couple expected | TLE::SAVAGE | Neil, @Spit Brook | Wed Feb 03 1988 09:57 | 5 |
| Re: 4.
According to a Swedish Tourist Board brochure, the legislation to
proclam this the "Year of New Sweden" did pass. The royal visit is
scheduled for sometime in April according to the brochure.
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| 37.6 | Update | YUPPY::WHITEHEAD | King Christian IX v Victoria | Wed Jan 03 1990 08:12 | 8 |
|
Crown Princess Martha died in Oslo on 5th April 1954.
She was born in Stockholm on 28th March 1901 as Princess Martha
Sofia Lovisa Dagmar Thyra of Sweden.
She married King Olav in Oslo on 21st March 1929.
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| 37.7 | | YUPPY::WHITEHEAD | King Christian IX v Victoria | Wed Jan 03 1990 08:19 | 89 |
| Below is a family tree I have compiled showing the descendents of
King Christian IX of Denmark. Note however, that with the exception
of Great Britain, a lot of the information is well out of date as
currently, unfortunately, I am using a Guide to Monarchies in Europe
which is dated 1977. I'm trying to get a newer version sometime
this year. Also note that NOT ALL of King Christian's descendents
are included in the family tree. Hopefully, they will be added at
a later date.
If anyone can give me any updates (eg birth of children, marriages
and deaths) I would be most grateful.
Hope you find this family tree of use.
Jane Whitehead
Enterprise House, London
PS: You will need to set your terminal to wide screen to read the full
family tree.
CHRISTIAN IX
King of Denmark
(1818-1906)
m Louise of Hesse-Cassel
(1817-1898)
|
+----------------------------+--------------------+--+--------------------+------------------------+----------------------+
FREDERICK VIII Alexandra William Dagmar Thyra Waldemar
(1843-1912) (1844-1925) GEORGE I of (Marie Feodorovna (1853-1933) (1858-1939)
m Louise of m EDWARD VII the Hellenes Empress of Russia) m Ernest Augustus m Marie
Sweden & Norway (1841-1910) (1845-1913) (1847-1928) Duke of Cumberland d'Orleans
(1851-1926) | m Olga of Russia m ALEXANDER III & Brunswick (1865-1909)
| | (1851-1926) (1845-1894) (1845-1923) |
+---+-------+------+ +----+----+ | | | |
CHRISTIAN X | Carl m Maud GEORGE V +-------++--------+ | | |
(1870-1941) | HAAKON VII (1869- (1865- Nicholas | CONSTANTINE I NICHOLAS II Ernest Augustus Margrethe
m Alexandrine | of Norway 1938) 1936) (1872-1938)| (1868-1923) (1868-1918) (1887-1953) (1895- )
of Mecklenburg| (1872-1957)| m Mary m Helen of | m Sophie of m Alix of Hesse m Victoria Louise m Rene of
-Schwerin | | of Teck Russia | Prussia (1872-1918) of Prussia Bourbon-Parma
(1879-1952) | | (1867-1953) (1882-1957)| (1870-1932) | (1892- ) (1894-1962)
| | | | | | | +-----+----+---+----+-------+ | |
| | | | | | | Olga | Marie | Alexie | |
| Ingeborg | +-+---+ | | | (1895- | (1899- | (1905- | |
| (1878-1958) | | George m Marina | | 1918) | 1918) | 1918) | |
| m Carl of Sweden | | Duke of| (1906- | | Tatiana Anastasia | |
| (1861-1951) | | Kent | 1968) | | (1897-1918) (1901-1918) | |
| | | | (1903- )| | | | |
| +----+-----+ | | 1942) v Andrew | | |
| Astrid Martha m OLAV V | (1882-1944) +---+--------+------+----------+ | |
| (1905-1935) (1901- |(1903- ) | m Alice GEORGE II | Helen PAUL I m Frederica |
| m LEOPOLD III 1954) | | of Battenberg (1890-1947) | (1896- ) (1901- | (1917- ) |
| King of Belgium | GEORGE VI (1885-1967) m Elizabeth | m CAROL II 1964) | |
| (1901- ) +--+ (1895-1952) | of Roumania | King of | |
| | | m Lady Elizabeth | (1894- | Roumania | |
| +-+-----------+ | Bowes-Lyon | 1956) | (1893- | |
| Josephine BAUDOUIN I | (1900- ) | | 1953) | |
| Charlotte (1930- ) | | | | | | |
| (1927- ) | | | | | | |
| m JEAN | ELIZABETH II - - m - - Philip | MICHAEL I - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - Anne
| Grand Duke | (1926- ) | Duke of | (1921- ) | (1923- )
| of Luxembourg | | Edinburgh | | m MICHAEL I
| (1921- ) | | (1921- ) ALEXANDER I +-----+--------------+
| | +---------++----------+ | (1893-1920) CONSTANTINE II Sophie
| v Ragnhild Astrid Harald | m Aspasia Manos (1940- ) (1938- )
| (19 - ) (19 - ) (19 - ) | (1896-1972) m Anne-Marie m JUAN CARLOS I
| m Sonja | | of Denmark King of Spain
FREDERICK IX Haraldson | Alexandra (1946- ) (1938- )
(1899-1972) (19 - ) | (1921- ) | |
m Ingrid of Sweden | m PETER II | |
(1910- ) | King of Yugoslavia v v
| | (1923-1970)
+---+---------------+ | |
MARGRETHE II Anne-Marie | v
(1940- ) (1946- ) |
+------------+----+--------------+------------+
Charles Anne Andrew Edward
(1948- ) (1950- ) (1960- ) (1964- )
m Lady Diana m Mark m Sarah
Spencer Phillips Ferguson
(1961- ) (19 - ) (19 - )
| | |
+---+------+ +--+---+ +-+-------+
William Henry Peter Zara Beatrice ?
(1982- ) (1984- ) (1977- )(1979- ) (1988- ) (1990- )
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| 37.8 | For more on King Olav, see Note 445 | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 21 1991 10:09 | 7 |
| Re: .0:
The comtemporary significance of the recently deceased King of Norway,
King Olav V, have convinced me that his passing deserves a separate
note. I refer the interest reader to Note 445 in this conference.
Actually, a note from Svein Mulelid began as Note 445, and is now Note
445.3.
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| 37.9 | Denmark's Queen on US tour | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Feb 18 1991 14:42 | 20 |
| From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.interest.people,clari.news.europe
Subject: Queen Margrethe II touring Virginia
Date: 18 Feb 91 16:31:49 GMT
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (UPI) -- Queen Margrethe II of Denmark continued
her whirlwind tour of historic American sites Monday amid what officials
described as tight security while her husband visited NATO headquarters.
The queen arrived at the restored colonial capital of Williamsburg --
a top Virginia draw for foreign tourists -- Sunday while accompanied by a
dozen Secret Service agents.
Monday, while Prince Henrik was visiting NATO headquarters in
Norfolk, home of the world's largest naval base, the queen took an early
morning tour of the historic area of Williamsburg. She then proceeded to
visit Monticello, the home of Thomas Jefferson, in Charlottesville.
The queen was expected to leave Monticello around noon to tour the
school Jefferson founded and designed, the University of Virginia. To
conclude the 45-hour visit, a formal dinner will be held tonight at
Carter's Grove Plantation near Williamsburg.
|
| 37.10 | Queen Margrethe and President Bush | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Feb 21 1991 12:48 | 47 |
| From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.usa,clari.news.gov.international,
clari.news.europe
Subject: Bush welcomes queen of Denmark
Date: 20 Feb 91 15:57:38 GMT
WASHINGTON (UPI) -- In the broad scheme of things, it may have been a
mere momentary diversion, but President Bush interrupted planning for
war Wednesday to thank Denmark for its modest role in the multinational
stand against Iraq.
Interrupting preparations for war for pomp and circumstance, Bush
welcomed Queen Margrethe II of Denmark to the White House for a state
visit with talk of historical ties and shared values evidenced by
cooperation in the gulf.
"You know that self-determination often carries a price," Bush told
Margrethe during a South Lawn arrival ceremony. "And so it is no
surprise that when the freedom of Kuwait came under attack, Denmark
joined the multinational coalition. You knew that naked aggression must
not stand."
Under threatening skies, Bush praised Denmark's contribution to the
33-nation coalition arrayed against Iraq: a warship, a medical team,
support for strong sanctions and facilities to treat allied casualties
evacuated from the front.
Together, he said, Denmark and the United States share a commitment
"to the liberty and dignity of the individual, freedom and democracy,
the rule of law and the right of all people and states to live in peace."
"Denmark stands up for freedom," he said. "Danish forces have
distinguished themselves in United Nations peacekeeping missions all
over the globe and Denmark has taken a firm and principled stand in
support of the Baltic peoples and their democratically elected
governments."
Befitting her role as head of state but not head of government, which
keeps her removed from the realm of politics, Margrethe avoided any
direct mention of either the war against Iraq or the aspirations of the
Baltic republics for independence from the Soviet Union.
But in underscoring the international commitments shared by Denmark
and the United States as members of the United Nations and NATO, she
said, "However troubled the present times may be, it is heartening to
see how the dedication to common values is able to rally so many nations
of the international community when the United Nations calls upon them."
In a departure from practice with most other state visitors, no Oval
Office discussion of bilateral and global issues followed Margrethe's
ceremonial arrival. Instead, she and her husband, Prince Henrik, joined
Bush and his wife, Barbara, in the executive mansion in an atmosphere
more social then official. They were invited back Wednesday night as
guests of honor at a black-tie state dinner.
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| 37.11 | Opinions on the Swedish king, from soc.culture.nordic | TLE::SAVAGE | | Fri Mar 01 1991 15:58 | 37 |
| From: [email protected] (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Where was the Queen?
Date: 28 Feb 91 17:51:36 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Morten
Ronseth) writes:
>No, I do NOT dislike the Swedish king, I have merely brought forward
>interesting facts about him, none of which, as it happens, are too
>flattering.
Really? I thought you were pretty flattering. You said,
>Of course, this does not apply to the Swedish king, who says
>whatever he wants whenever he wants to. Sod the etiquette, let the
>people hear him speak his mind!
giving the impression that the king speaks his mind at all times -
which would be pretty admirable. This is very far from being the case.
Very occasionally, he says something that is not dictated by protocol,
and a considerable ruckus ensues.
The present Swedish king, like the Bernadotte kings generally, does not
give the impression of being remarkably intelligent, or display any
great skill in public speaking. Still, even opponents of the monarchy
have nothing much against him. He does his job as best he can. He is
not any great embarrassment to the country, unlike his
great-grandfather. He may well become as popular as his grandfather was
as he grows old.
For the first time, a female Bernadotte is the next one in line to take
on the job. However, the Bernadottes are noted for their longevity, so
I don't expect to be in a position to comment on her way of doing
things on Usenet.
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| 37.12 | But, then agin, who cares?? | OSL09::MAURITZ | DTN(at last!)872-0238; @NWO | Mon Mar 04 1991 03:35 | 15 |
| re .11
As a slight corrective; at least ONE of the Bernadottes---the first one
---is considered by historians to have been quite intelligent. Jean
Bernadotte, general under Napoleon, who became Carl Johan, displayed
astute political skills. True, he made some strategic mistakes, but he
had a unique ability to recover.
On a different note. A small notice in "Aftenposten" relates that the
much admired news network CNN identified Queen Margarethe of Denmark as
"a princess from the Netherlands" in one of their reports (presumably
from her recent trip to the US?).
Mauritz
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| 37.13 | Norway's royal event of June 1991 | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Jun 04 1991 17:32 | 19 |
| From: [email protected] (Stein J�rgen Rypern)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: events in Bergen on or around june 4th?
Date: 31 May 91 10:25:41 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (Stein J�rgen Rypern)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
I'm not sure about Bergen, but we have a major event comming up later
this summer : The blessing (signing) of our new king (Harald V) and
queen (Sonia) in the cathedral Nidarosdommen in Trondheim. Don't
remember the date, 24th of june ? Doen't matter, you _will_ notice if
you happen to be in norway at the time, as the blessing will be
followed by a tour of southern norway by car and boat.
Rare occation, last time was in 1957 (or was it 58 ? Before I was born
anyway :-).
/Stein
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| 37.14 | On public expression of royal opinion | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 20 1992 15:13 | 72 |
| From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: What may a King say?
Date: 18 Jan 92 19:52:06 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Research School of Physical Sciences, ANU
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Magnus Homann)
writes
>
> Perhaps it's time to discuss the more general issue; what may a head
> of state say? Is it allowed to have a private opinion in a matter and
> even express it in public (media etc), if you are the king/queen?
I'm actually prepared to guess that an occasional "slip of the tounge"
or not-to-diplomatic personal opinion from a monarch in King Carl XVI
Gustaf's position can be, if not deliberate, so at least something that
doesn't overly bother him. To make a strong statement that many Swedes
(the man on the street, Mr. & Mrs. Svensson if you like) can agree with
can give some additional press and public popularity to the monarch,
something that doesn't hurt in a country where the republic is just a
"penstroke" away.
The Swedish King didn't enjoy an enormous popularity in his first, say,
decade of his reign, but I think that he has slowly improved it. In
1973, at 27 years of age (a Swedish monarch cannot be a "real" monarch
before 25 years of age) he succeeded his well-liked grandfather Gustav
VI Adolf (no Hitler associations, please, Adolf was used as a second
name for Swedish kings centuries before that Schicklgrueber person
entered the political arena - but I think it will take quite some time
before we see a new prince bearing that name), since his father had
died in an air crash a rather long time ago.
In the radical 70's you should of course not like the monarchy at all,
to keep up with the times. Carl Gustav also had something of a
"Playboy" and not-too-smart-guy reputation. I think he actually was
enrolled in the faculty of law at the university of Uppsala when he was
crown prince, but never completed any courses. Gustav VI Adolf, on the
other hand, had a kind of "scholar" reputation, and had a passion for
archaeology, among other things. He was sometimes called "Professor
Plikte'n"; his motto was "plikten framf�r allt" ("duty before
everything", or perhaps better "duty foremost"). Just add an ' and you
get something that sounds like a name...
Well, at his age, with his qualifications (he was also a bachelor in
1973; he and the Queen married in -76; it is easier to keep the "gossip
press" well-fed if the king has a royal *family*), suffering slightly
from dyslexia and not being a very good speaker, he had many odds
against him. It is also rumored that his staff (usually a few retired
generals, 65 years and older) didn't take him to seriously, and more or
less ordered him around. Anyway, as he's grown older, I think he has
wanted more and more to take command of his own schedule. And it seems
he has succeded. Over the last half-decade I've heard very few negative
media comments about the king. One rumor, however, is that he wear
specs to look smarter, and not because he really needs the,.
(Obviously, this didn't work on the Norwegans...)
To conclude, I think the monarch's standing with "his" population is
very important in a Scandinavian-type monarchy. And since those
monarchies have been rather informal for quite some time, I think a
good balance between informality/popularity and representing a very old
throne with some amount of regality (at least for use on state visits
in those countries where this kind of show is appreciated...) is the
best recepie for the day.
Tomas
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! Research School of Physical Sciences & Engineering, !
! [email protected] Australian National University, Canberra !
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| 37.15 | Constitutional role of the Swedish monarch | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 20 1992 15:28 | 115 |
| From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Swedish Constitution & King (was Re: Arms/Health Care Rights)
Date: 18 Jan 92 03:08:42 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Research School of Physical Sciences, ANU
Socialism can trigger a lot of responses in people, but I for one
usually don't laugh about it. And the Swedish social democrats *are*
socialists; their basic ideology is the democratic socialism. I will
try not to start a (perhaps inappropriate) discussion about socialism
in Sweden, but it is a fact that the present Swedish "grundlag" (=
constitution), the important part of which ("Regeringsformen" or just
RF, "regering" = government) was revised from the rather obsolete 1809
constitution in 1974, in part bears the mark of the social democrats of
that time. The keywords here are "compromise" and "social democratic
majority in the parliament, including communist support". "compromise"
because the social democrats have never wanted to lean to heavily on
the commies in important issues.
A funny aspect of the 1974 RF (it was actually written a few years
before, but it takes two rounds of voting in the parliament, with a
general election between them, to change the "grundlag", and there was
an election in September 1973) is the role of the monarch. Yes, that's
the very same king the Norweigans on soc.culture.nordic (and probably
most Norweigans without access as well) adore :-) :-) :-( (The last
face was Norweigan...) Basically, the expression "the head of state" is
used instead of "the monarch" in RF. This means that it would be an
extremely uncomplicated legislatory procedure to make Sweden a
republic. Just change "the monarch is head of state" to "??? is head of
state", and declare the order of succesion (SO, another part of the
"grundlag") void because of this. Actually, the then-PM and leader of
the social democrats Olof Palme (peace on his soul, wherever it now
rests...) stated that "the republic is just a penstroke (?) away"
("republiken {r bara ett penndrag bort").
The monarchs in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherland are
sometimes considered as very comparable; I've seen the term "bicycle
monarchies" used (probably referring to the fact that the monarchs
don't mind being seen doing "common" things, such as biking). However,
the Swedish monarch is as far as I know unique in that he/she (we have
a crown *princess*, born in -77; under the recent order of sucession,
she takes precedence over her younger brother, so the "she" definitely
belongs there) do *not* propose a prime minister to the parlimanet,
even offically. That is now the duty of the speaker of the parliament.
Unfortunately, this means that the position as speaker is now more
political than it ideally should be. The social democratic speaker
Thage Peterson was replaced by the former first vice speaker,
conservative Ingegerd Troedsson (a woman, then second vice chairman of
the conservative party), after the September 1991 election, probably
as revenge for what happened in 1979 when social democrats broke the
inital "gentlemen's agreement" on how the speaker should be appointed.
When this happened, the social democrats started whining about how
unfair the other parties treated them, and that there are some parts
of the constitution that aren't perfect (amazing since they wrote it
more or less themselves!). Possibly, there will be some changes made to
it in the 90's. To hand back the "job" of suggesting a prime minister
to the parliament to the monarch would probably be a good solution,
but it is likely that this would be "too much to chew" for the social
democrats. Palme's predecessor as PM and social democratic leader, Tage
Erlander, still used the term "His Majesty the King's government" in
the 60's. Under the old constitution, the government met in "konselj"
(counsel?), which means that the monarch heads the meeting, fairly
often. Now this happens only something like once a year, and only has
ceremonial purposes.
The reason why the constitutional role of the Swedish monarch was
reduced so much, but still retained, was compromise within the social
democratic party. The more radical parts of the party (the women's
organization within it, and their sometimes-almost-communistic youth
organization SSU) have made it an offical position of the party that
Sweden should be a republic. (It is usually said about the social
democratic party that the congress is to the left, the ministers are to
the right, and the executive board is in the middle.) However, in this
as in so many other questions, the executive board of the party
reserves the right to determine the speed with which this proposal is
put before the parliament. In this case, this speed is exactly zero,
since a vast majority of the public want to keep the monarch. One has
to consider the opinions of the electorate. And it is common knowledge
that the Swedes are a colourful lot: they (we) think blue, vote red,
eat green and work black. Perhaps more people vote the way think think
nowadays, but it is well-known that the average opinions of the Swedish
population in many (or even most) questions puts them (us) somewhere
to the right of the conservative party.
A funny thing is the communist party's (well, the've removed the
"communist" part from their name, but I don't know how to translate
"v�nsterpartiet" = "the left party" or something like that, to English
and still keep some kind of indication of their ideology) proposals
about a Swedish republic. It is a tradition that the first motion
handed in during the spring session of the parliament is one from that
party, about making Sweden a republic. It is of course always defeated
with a big majority (I think the social democrats usually don't vote on
this issue, and all non-socialists vote against republic). They've
probably used exactly the same text for quite a long time.
So now you know almost everything you've ever wanted to know about the
constitutional role of the Swedish monarch, except for the contents of
the order of sucession. Now that's *very amusing* reading, since they
left a few parts unchanged from 1809. And 183 year old legal Swedish...
Well, let's just say that spoken Swedish 1992 is somewhat different...
I would be very interested in reading a comparison with the Norweigan
and Danish constiutions, since I'm not very familiar with those. Are
there any self- appointed experts with a little time over out there
somewhere?
Tomas
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! Research School of Physical Sciences & Engineering, !
! [email protected] Australian National University, Canberra !
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| 37.16 | Re: .15: Swedish & US constitution not comparable | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 20 1992 15:30 | 63 |
| From: [email protected] (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Constitution (Was Re: Arms/Health Care Rights)
Date: 17 Jan 92 11:49:25 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden
In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Celia Winkler) writes:
>Well, now that the fat is in the fire, I may as well ask my question. I
>asked a prof who had spent a considerable time in Sweden about the Swedish
>constitution, and she said that it was important to remember that the
>constitution there doesn't have the emotional/symbolic/political
>significance of the constitution here. True? False? Maybe?
Definitely. The only part of the constitution that is generally bandied
about in the public debate is the part about freedom of expression
"tryckfrihetsf�rordningen". The constitution don't have the central
part in Swedish political life that the US ditto got in the US.
As an example: Some time ago some changes to the Swedish constitution
passed the final checkpoint to be adopted (the second vote after an
election). This was reported in a ten second clip in the media.
Absolutely no analysis of the implications, just "the constitution has
been changed". And that was changes done in the part about freedom of
expression!
>-- cw
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From: [email protected] (Bengt G�llmo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Constitution (Was Re: Arms/Health Care Rights)
Date: 17 Jan 92 15:32:05 GMT
Organization: LM Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden
The constitution in Sweden ('grundlag') is not a source of human
rights, or even a collection of human rights. There are rights, that
many people would consider human rights, that are not documented in the
constitution. Our 'grundlag' is simply a collection of those laws that
we consider so important that we have made it more difficult than
usual for our parliament to change them. An ordinary law,
theoretically, can be changed every day, or at least every few months.
A change of the constitution requires decisions by the parliament two
times, with an election in between.
Bengt
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The good thing about bad things is that they, also, usually come to an end.
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| 37.17 | The last of the Swedish kings involved in politics | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Jan 21 1992 09:43 | 43 |
| From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Borggaardstalet
Date: 21 Jan 92 00:26:46 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Research School of Physical Sciences, ANU
Background: Liberal Swedish government (PM: Karl Staaf) wants to cut
back on defence spendings. Year: just before WWI, 1912? Conservative
groups don't like this. A big protest demonstration is staged by the
Swedish farmers (or perhaps their organization), known as "bonetaaget".
They march to the castle in Stockholm, where in the castle yard
("borggaarden") they present their petition to the king, who adresses
them, and makes a very pro-military/patriot/anti-Karl-Staaf-government
speech, known as "borggaardstalet" (castle yard speach). This king was
probably Oscar II, king of Sweden and Norway until 1905.
Gustav V (also known as "Vee-Gustaf" in Sweden) was probably crown
prince. I think that he read the same speech to another crowd, since
there were more protesting farmers than space in the castle yard. The
government didn't like this (to put it mildly) and resigned. The king
appointed a conservative PM (I think the conservatives ruled in the
first chamber of the parliament, and liberals in the second chamber).
It is rumored that the main author of the speech was Arvid Lindman, who
later became leader of the conservative party and PM. (Somehow, he also
became Admiral; he died in an airplane crash, which must have been a
rather uncommon way to die in the late 1920's or early 1930's.)
A few years later, when the next liberal PM was appointed (possibly
Staaf again, but I'm not sure), the king was forced to assure that he
would not interfere with the government's policies.
This was the last time a Swedish monarch did anything which really had
a political significance. (In the 18th century, king Gustav III staged
a coup-d'etat to effectively become dictator, but that's another
story...)
Tomas
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| 37.18 | Monarchy & Constitution | OSL09::MAURITZ | DTN(at last!)872-0238; @NWO | Thu Jan 30 1992 04:00 | 76 |
| One of the last few notes solicited comments on the monarchy and the
constitution of other Nordic countries. As I don't have much time, I'll
only make some sporadic comments now and try to come back later with
more detail on how these two (interlocked) subjects apply in Norway.
This is an area where the situation in Norway differs rather distinctly
from that in Sweden, though there are some similarities.
* The monarchy is quite a bit stronger here; both "politically" (i.e.,
within the Labour Party (equ to Swedish Social Democrats) AND in the de
jure language of the Constitution).
* The Constitution has a strong position in and by itself. May 17th,
the national holiday, celabrates the signing of the original
constitution in 1814. In many respects, the Norw constitution also
serves as the equivalent of the US "Declaration of Independence", as it
signifies the break with Denmark after the Napoleonic wars. In the
period of union with Sweden (1814-1905), the constitution constituted
the "field of battle" of the tug-of-war between Norwegian and Swedish
political power (respectively represented by "Parliament" and "King").
This resulted in parliamentarism being established in (?) 1876
(roughly), and the final union break in 1905. During the entire period,
there prevailed a difference of interpretation as to who had "final
authority" in Norway: The Norwegians maintained that the Norwegian
Parliament had this final authority, while the Swedes maintained that
the Union (read Swedish) King would have the fianl say.
* On the language of the Constitution (AND indeed Norwegian laws in
general), "the King" has a prominent and ever recurring position
(paradoxically, you would say, given the above paragraph). All sorts of
things are decided by "the King"; you even apply to "the King" when you
wish dispensation from certain laws & regulations. In modern terms, of
course, "the king" is interpreted as "the relevant governmental
department". Juridically this hangs together, as the government is
really an apparatus that springs from "advisers to the king" or "king's
council". The way our constitution is written, I would say that (at
least on paper) we are "a pen stroke away from absolute monarchy".
*If you hadn't already guessed from the above, another important aspect
of Norwegian constitutional law is that much of it is unwritten (as it
is in Britain). One striking example is parliamentarianism, which has
never been written into the constitution as a "change". In effect, the
change was a change of practice (or interpretation).
*Finally, the genuine popularity of the monarch is probably deeper in
Norway than in Sweden (hope that I am not on thin ice here). I would
say because of two important factors:
1) World War II, and the role of the Monarch (King Haakon VII) at that
time---especially his exercise of authority (possibly unconstitutional,
but probably more a break with practice) on refusing to deal with the
Nazis when they invaded Norway on April 9th, 1940. (At the time he
threatened to abdicate if there was any talk of surrender). His son,
then Krown Prince Olav, functioned as head of Defence for the Norwegian
forces during the rest of the war (in England).
2) The personality of the Monarchs themselves. Even the left-wing
socalists (equ to communists in Sweden) when they make THEIR annual
proposal to turn Norway into a republic, have made theirs based on
making the current monarch into "president for the duration of his
lifetime". Our royal family has been about as far away from the
"playboy" image as can be immagined; seriousness, tough schedules, etc
is the general impression created. Active participation in sports (King
Olav had an olympic medal in sailing) has traditionallybeen their way
of "relaxing"---a perfectly acceptable form of diversion, which does
their popularity no harm.
*The monarchs will speak out on some social issues. Olav would urge
acceptance (& non-discrimination) of immigrants, giving strong moral
force against racism. Harald, in his first New Year speech, devoted
significant time to unemployment (saying some fairly intelligent things
about the phenomenon).
It seems that once I got started I got quite detailed, anyway, so this
is really enough for now.
Mauritz
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| 37.19 | | RAGMOP::T_PARMENTER | Ling Ting Tong | Mon Feb 03 1992 16:40 | 4 |
| I think the fact that the first Norwegian king under the new arrangements was
elected has something to do with the relative popularity of the Norwegian
royal family.
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| 37.20 | Present Swedish Royal line: a Vasa connection? | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Feb 05 1992 11:54 | 64 |
| From: [email protected] (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: VASA
Date: 1 Feb 92 22:48:53 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Sven
Wallman) writes:
> ehh, correct me if I'm wrong but i thought the name of the ship was Vasa and
> that the king's name was Wasa.. and that Vasa is supposed to mean 'k�rve'.
> could someone check it? :).
The "W" is an old way of spelling "V". Today "W" is only used in
various proper names, where archaic spelling has a strong tendency to
survive in spite of orthographic reforms and variations in the general
language, and in a few recent loan words. The ship [see note 311] was
indeed named after the royal family Vasa, which reigned in Sweden from
1523 (Gustav Eriksson Vasa claiming the throne) to 1654? (queen
Kristina's abdication). The royal line of Vasa died out with its last
male member in Poland sometime in the late 17th century, and I haven't
heard about any descendants of Gustav's older relatives retaining the
name Vasa or Wasa today; thus I think we are free to normalize the name
of the family as well as that of the vessel.
Yes, the Vasa family took its name from the "vase" (corn sheaf) which
appeared in their crest, and which can still be found in the centre of
the Large Coat of Arms ("stora riksvapnet") of Sweden today (it's there
for historical, not genealogical, reasons).
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 520, S-751 20 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: [email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: VASA & Swedish Quality Engineering (tm)
Date: 2 Feb 92 10:28:30 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
writes:
> ...and to our friends the Norweigans I might add that the present Swedish
> king, and his predecessors discussed lately, are not related to the then-
> Swedish king who intervened in the design of Vasa. Carl XVI Gustav seem to
Are you sure? Gustav II Adolf had a half-sister, princess Katarina,
who is recorded as progenitress (is that a word?) of all the following
Swedish royal families, including the present (via queen Josephine,
wife of Oscar I, I think). Also princess Cecilia, an aunt of Gustav II
Adolf, married into the house of Baden, from which later came queen
Victoria, wife of Gustav V and thus great grandmother of Carl XVI
Gustav... Unfortunately, I cannot provide the full descent line in
neither case.
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 520, S-751 20 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170 EMail: [email protected]
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| 37.21 | Dog bites politician during royal visit | TLE::SAVAGE | | Fri May 15 1992 14:46 | 41 |
| From: [email protected] (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Good dog!
Date: 15 May 92 11:43:07 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (Usenet)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Yesterday, as part of the visit of the Norweigan King to Sweden, the
Majesties and a lot of other offical people visited Gotland, among
those the Swedish Ambassador to Oslo, the infamous Lennart Bodstr�m,
ex-Swedish foreign minister (an even worse natural disaster in that
function than his successor Sten Andersson, beleive it or not...),
social democrat, ex-TCO (central organization for non-manual, but at
the same time basically non-academic, "workers'" trade unions, e.g.
secretaries, nurses and junior engineers) boss (not a very popular one)
&c.
As these illustrous people were walking to or from some location, it
happend that a small child among the spectators stepped on the tail of
the police dog Zorro, who immediately sank his fangs into the nearest
leg. Fortunately, this was not the leg of the kid, but that of
Ambassador Bodstr�m :-). Bleeding quite a lot, he was taken to Visby
hospital. The wound was not serious enough to rob the Norewigans of
their Swedish embassador, though. The dog is OK :-). The police
promised to buy Ambassador Bodstr�m a new suit, I wonder how much they
must reduce Zorro's dog food rations to pay for a suit? When Bodstr�m
was given his present job, this created outrage in the then-opposition.
They said that ambassador jobs should not be used as dumping-places for
incompetent politicans. So perhaps Zorro will get a medal from our
non-socialist government?
It was probably fortunate that Zorro didn't bite King [Harald V]; this
could have created a difficult political incident.
Voff, voff!
Tomas
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| 37.22 | Norway's Crown Prince | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Jun 25 1992 14:55 | 34 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Stein J�rgen Rypern <[email protected]>
Subject: Haakon joins the navy :-)
Sender: [email protected] (Stein J�rgen Rypern)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1992 09:59:41 GMT
Just a quick update from norway. HRH Crown Prince Haakon is about to
start his officers training in the norwegian navy at the BSMA in
Horten, after finnishing high school this spring. According to the
magazine Forvarets forum, BSMA (BefalsSkolen for MArinen) is the only
military school which don't have a reduction in number of applicants,
and it is also the only one which has actually had an increased number
of female applicants ..... :-)
He is the first crown prince to choose an education in the navy, both
his father Harald and his gradfather Olav did their training in the
army.
How do the other nordic countries (except finland & iceland of course
:-) educate their princes and princesses ? (from reading norwegian
tabloid newspapers you would get the impression that beeing a speedway
driver is a job requirement for a danish king :-).
/Stein, "what am I doing here this time of year ?"
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Institute of informatics ! You yourself must likewise die,
University of Oslo, Norway ! but one thingh which never dies
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| 37.23 | Nordic royals have the people's respect | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Jan 18 1993 14:05 | 95 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Antimonarchists?
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 22:39:34 GMT
There hasn't been any questioning of the monarchy in Sweden as a result
of the tabloid orgies in Britain. There just aren't any juicy scandals
here to fire republican sentiments. Our present king, although not
apparently a man of striking achievements or remarkable intellect, does
his job well enough, and his wife is a quite popular and successful
Queen. Also, the young Crown Princess is widely thought to be nice and
sensible. So on the whole the monarchy in Sweden today seems pretty
stable.
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From: [email protected] (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Antimonarchists?
Date: 16 Jan 93 22:39:46 GMT
Sender: [email protected] (USENET News System)
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Well, people might find the idea of a monarchy, or our particular royal
family, to be silly at times, but I would be *very* surprised to see a
the formation real republican movement, not to mention it getting any
following to speak of.
I'd say that there is in general a lot of respect for Queen Magrethe
II, the way she runs her business, her various achievements, and her
personal integrity. She has gotten lots of positive press in recent
years, what with her 50th birthday, 25th wedding anniversary, etc. Her
New Years speech this year, telling us that we have less to be proud of
that we might care to believe, was received well. And so on.
Her sons, and especially crown prince Frederik, has taken some flak in
recent year, mostly due to a fondness for fast cars and little regard
for how to drive them, traffic regulations, etc. No real scandals, but
then, he's only 20-something (22?) so there's time.
/Lars
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From: [email protected] (Torsten J�rgensen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Antimonarchists?
Date: 17 Jan 93 15:13:48 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
About the monarchy in Denmark...
It's true that the danish queen has no actual power and could therefore
be viewed as dispensable. But it's a lot more complex than that. As a
queen she does actually give a lot back to the people and the country,
even though these things might be hard to measure moneywise.
The first thing that should be realised is that in Denmark the
government and the country are separated in peoples minds. Along with
the country is grouped: the people, our culture, our history , the flag
and everything that makes us danish. And on top of that, representing
it all, is the queen.
She is our representative, a diplomat, but first and foremost for the
country. She stays far away (or as far as possible) from politics. She
is also a kind of a role model in many respects. She's expected to show
the danish traits we're proud of and not the dark side. Every year at
newyears eve she gives a speech, or sometimes more of a lecture, about
the year that passed, what was good and what was not so good, what we
can be proud of and where we could do a little better. All that, IMHO,
makes her worth having.
It also leaves us to deal with the government for what it is, just
that: a government. Wich, I think, is one of the reasons that
complaining about the status quo is a popular danish pasttime.
Consider this: If anyone wiped their arse in the danish flag, out of
contempt for the government, they'd be considered with amazement. It
would just be distasteful and nothing more, because the flag doesn't
belong to the government - it belongs to us.
If the royalty makes us remember who we are, with pride. And reminds us
to be humble, they're doing their job and worth every penny.
---
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Universitetsparken 5 � anyone saying differently
8000 Aarhus C, Denmark � is selling something"
Ph. +45 86 18 45 06 �
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| 37.24 | Royals lack surnames | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Jul 15 1993 14:03 | 82 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Ahrvid Engholm)
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Sender: [email protected] (Usenet)
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1993 16:37:19 GMT
In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(HOLMAN EUGENE) writes:
>1) What are the family names of the royal families in Norway,
>Sweden (Bernadotte?), and Denmark?
>2) What are the real (i.e. given at birth) names of the present king/queen
>of the three countries?
>3) Did the present queen of Denmark take her husband's surname when she
>married him? What is it?
>4) Why are these names used so infrequently?
I can't answer all questions. But generally family names of royalties
are very seldom used. I don't know if it is considered rude or
something, but it is an old tradition. I remember that I once saw a
picture of an ID card (or was it the passport) of the Swedish king, and
for name it said only "HKH Carl Gustaf Folke Hubertus", that is all his
first names and "HKH" for "Hans Kungliga Hoeghet" (His Royal Highness).
No "Bernadotte" there.
How to name royalties can become complicated sometimes. The king's
sister married a non-royal person, and her official name is now "Her
Royal Highness Princess Christina Mrs Magnusson".
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Anne C. Elster)
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1993 20:05:18 GMT
Given the little story one of my grade school teachers gave me, I
believe the Norwegian royals currently officially have no last
name/family name:
As royals have done ever since, then Prince Harald was attending a
public school in Norway were this teacher was then teaching. Upon
collecting the class' notebooks, she without thinking, angrily pointed
out to HRH Harald that he had neglected to include his last name on the
booklet. Littel Prince Harald appearantly responded with tears in his
eyes: "But teacher, I do not have a last name!" upon which she of
course realized her embarrassing mistake.
King Olav used to sign all official documents "Olav Rex" (Rex = king
(lat)) I can only assume King Harald has continued the tradition by
signing as "Harald Rex". I believe the Norwegian royals "lost" their
last names as we adopted a certain Danish prince who took the name
"King Haakon the Seventh of Norway". The original Norwegian royals
(875(?) - 1212) used patronymns, e.g. our last king before joining the
Swedish (and later also Danish thrones) was King Haakon Haakonson, if
my memory of grade school history serves me right ...
Anne C. Elster
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Raul Izahi Lopez Hernandez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Date: 11 Jul 1993 22:53:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Norway:
King: Harald Queen: Sonja
Son: Haakon Daughter: Martha Louise (she is older than Haakon).
They are just King Harald or Queen Sonja, or Prince Haakon or Princess
Martha Louise.
RAUL IZAHI
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| 37.25 | More on surnames | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Jul 21 1993 15:18 | 111 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Sender: [email protected] (Operator)
Organization: Smith College
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 23:44:03 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that the Danish Royal family has no
official surname. The Crown Prince Frederick spent the year at Harvard
(was this as a punishment for his New Year's Eve 1991 escapade?
comments, please...)and the University wouldn't let him "exist" on the
computers without a last name, so the Danish Royal Court made one
up...Henriksen (translated as "the son of Henrik", who is the Prince
of Denmark married to Queen Margrethe).
mvh.
Amanda
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From: [email protected] (Peter Roboz Kristensen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Date: 13 Jul 93 10:52:14 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S
In Denmark, it is also seldom seen, that our queen writes her surname
Rex, but sometimes she just writes R.
Since we are all on first names in Denmark, and the queen has at least
five christian (first) names plus the numbering (Queen Margrethe II )
(the second) she doesn't really need a surname.
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Application Program Development Fax: Int +45 42 84 52 20
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From: [email protected] (Anders Christensen)
Subject: Re: Royal family surnames
Sender: [email protected] (NetNews Administrator)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: 13 Jul 93 21:07:59
Royal persons don't use surnames, but they are said to belong to a
family having a name. However, I don't think that the name of the
family is used as a surname in any sense. At least in Norway, one
sometimes see a patronymic name used as a surname to a king, but I
don't think that it's official.
Also, "Rex" is _not_ a name, but a title, meaning "king" in Latin, and
it function is solely as a title when used with the name of a king.
Thus, Harald Rex (or just Harald R) just means king Harald. (I'm not
sure whether there goes a comma in front of the "Rex".
For Sweden, the name of the family is Bernadotte. For Denmark it is
Gl�cksburg; well, actually Schleswig-Holstein-Soderburg-Gl�cksburg is
the 'complete' name of the family. The Norwegian royal family is a
branch of the Danish royal family, but I think only Gl�cksburg is used
for the Norwegian branch.
Actually, royal families also tend to 'change' their 'family names'
from time to time. They can collect multiple powerful names through
marriages (like the Danish family), shorten them when they becomes to
long (like the Norwegian family), or pick a new one (like the English
family, who changed the German-sounding Hannover-Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha
to Windsor during WWI).
Carl 16 Gustav's 'real' name is Carl Gustav Folke Hubertus, and the
number 16 is slightly false, since the first six Swedish kings named
Carl or Karl, was 'invented' in order to have a long and impressive
list of kings. By the way, note that the number is _not_ a part of the
name, as seems to be so popular among Americans. Rather, it is based on
the number of earlier kings in that country having the same name. So
the number has very little to do with family.
The queen of Denmark's 'real' name is Margrethe Alexandrina �orhildur
Ingeborg. The third name is probably because Iceland was still a part
of the kingdom of Denmark when she was born, and you can't ignore any
parts of the kingdom regarding spelling and language.
The king of Norway is simply named Harald. This shows another point
about royal first names: Either you pick a simple one (at most two
names), or you pick as many as you can think of. Also, names are
politics and tradition. When prince Carl of Denmark became king of
Norway, he changed his origial Christian Frederik Carl Georg Valdemar
Axel to just Haakon, and the name of his son from Alexander Edward
Christian Frederik to Olav.
Also, the way that names are spelled matters. The crown prince of
Norway is called Haakon Magnus, but there are some who think he should
change it to H�kon Magnus when he becomes king, in order not use a way
of spelling that some consider old and leftover from Danish influence.
But then, discussing how to spell words is a very serious matter for
Norwegians.
I don't know what they are going to call the house when crownprince
Frederik Andr� Henrik Christian (appearantly, the Danish royal family
never uses less than four first names :-)) becomes king.
On the other hand, when she married, _he_ changed name from Henri
Laborde de Monpezat, to prince Henrik. This shows another thing, royal
first names are more commonly translated then 'other' first names. Only
the last 50 years or so, has it been common not to translate royal
first names.
Regards,
-anders
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| 37.26 | More on R. | CSC32::D_ROYER | Chi beve birra campa cent'anni. | Mon Jul 26 1993 16:45 | 3 |
| I think in Queen Margrethe R. the "R." means Regina rather than REX!
Dave
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| 37.27 | | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Jul 27 1993 12:59 | 5 |
| Re: .26 by CSC32::D_ROYER:
>I think in Queen Margrethe R. the "R." means Regina rather than REX!
Correct.
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| 37.28 | Idle chit-chat about a Norw Prince & Swed Princess | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Sep 30 1993 12:24 | 132 |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: [email protected] (Fredrik Bennison)
Subject: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Organization: Falun/Borlange University College, Borlange, Sweden
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:55:40 GMT
If the Swedish Crown Princess Victoria and the Crown Prince of Norway
ever decide to marry, a union between Sweden and Norway would be the
result... 8) And according to some newspapers (and we all know how
reliable _they_ are... :-) there could be something between them...
(Yeah, right, Crown Princess Victoria turned 16 this summer...) At
least they danced together at a disco... (Oooooh...)
// Fredrik
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From: [email protected] (OddMagne Sekkingstad)
Subject: Re: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Sender: [email protected] (Bergen University Newsaccount)
Organization: Institute of Informatics, University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:27:03 GMT
To have a norwegian king to rule both Norway and Sweden from his palace
in Oslo, wouldn't be to bad.
Seriously, I know that both the swedish crown princess and the
norwegian crown prince can't freely choose who they are going to marry,
but in these days when everybody else get a lot of personal freedom,
maybe it's time to give some personal freedom to royal persons. Or will
that be the end of monarchy.
Odd-Magne
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From: [email protected] (Fredrik Bennison)
Subject: Re: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Organization: Falun/Borlange University College, Borlange, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:02:21 GMT
What?? Rule from Oslo?? You must be mad... 8)
No, I think that they have to have an ok from both the King and the
government, at least here in Sweden. It's too bad that it has to be
like that, but on the other hand, you can understand why... I wouldn't
want Axl Rose as the King of Sweden... 8)
What I think is needed is some privacy for the poor buggers... They
can't even go to the beach and have a nice afternoon without reporters
and photographers all over the place... But at least it isn't as bad
here in Scandinavia as it is in Great Britain... But perhaps that is
due to the fact that our Princes and Princesses are relatively young...
Except perhaps Prince Albert, who turned 87 this year... 8)
// Fredrik
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From: [email protected] (Fredrik Bennison)
Subject: Re: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Organization: Falun/Borlange University College, Borlange, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 14:00:21 GMT
Hmmm... I don't really know what the Swedish constitution says, but our
Crown Princess can't marry without consent from both the King and the
government... So I guess at least the government would put a stop to a
union if it ever comes to that...
// Fredrik
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From: [email protected] (Fredrik �stman)
Subject: Re: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 14:45:23 GMT
What would happen, once the present kings have passed away, is that
Victoria would become the queen of both Norway and Sweden, and the
present crown prince of Norway would become king of Norway and prince
of Sweden. They would both remain sole head-of-state of their
respective countries.
If you like, that could be called a union ("personunion"), if you
consider the head-of-state and his/her spouse to be one -- compare the
Ron&Nancy/Bush couple/Billary situation in our dearest USA.
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From: [email protected] (Sven Wallman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish-Norwegian union??
Date: 29 Sep 1993 19:25:23 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
I think (I don't know for sure, but when did that stop people from
posting) that the constitution definetly forbids her to marry a prince
who is heir to the crown of another monarchy (I'm aware that it's the
governement that decides who she can marry). I guess they want to avoid
the problem that would arise with the offspring?
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Sven Wallman, S:t Olofsg. 20, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune
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| 37.29 | Scandal touches Norway's royals | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Apr 05 1994 16:11 | 27 |
| From: [email protected] (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.world.europe.western
Subject: Princess Blamed For Divorce
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 10:10:26 PDT
OSLO, Norway (AP) -- The salacious scandals that dog Europe's
blue bloods have struck Norway's royal family, with an accusation
that the king's 22-year-old daughter wrecked a British couple's
marriage.
Irene Morris, a British grocery store clerk, has named Princess
Martha Louise a co-respondent in her divorce suit, the Oslo
newspaper Dagbladet reported Tuesday.
Mrs. Morris claimed her husband Philip, 40, ended the couple's
20-year marriage after becoming involved with the princess, the
daughter of King Harald V, the newspaper said.
"Royal scandals have become commonplace, but this is the first
time the Norwegian royal family has been hit," said the tabloid,
which devoted its front page and three inside pages to the story.
Morris, a warehouse worker-turned-professional horseman, met the
princess at an equestrian meet in the Netherlands in the spring of
1992, and the two were later seen together at other events in
Europe, the newspaper said. Morris left his wife in July 1992, the
paper said.
Irene Morris filed the suit last month in Chester, England,
Dagbladet said.
A spokesman said the palace was aware of the divorce case but
refused comment.
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| 37.30 | Danish palace opens to the public | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Apr 18 1994 10:54 | 22 |
| From: [email protected] (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.world.europe.western
Subject: Monarchy Opens Doors To Public
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 8:40:10 PDT
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Two centuries after the Danish royal
family moved in, there was a house-warming at their Copenhagen
palace Saturday.
The public for the first time got to have a personal look at one
of the four Amalienborg palaces that form a rectangle overlooking
the Copenhagen waterfront. There are other castles open to the
public in Denmark, but they are used only occasionally by the royal
family.
The palace opened Saturday was that of Christian VIII. The
building was bought as a temporary residence for the family in
1794, when the Christiansborg palace burned down. It remained in
use and the other palaces were added.
Queen Margrethe II also planned to preside at the opening of a
museum in the palace where her eldest son, Crown Prince Frederik,
lives.
The museum shows highlights of the era of King Christian IX
(1818-1906) and Queen Louise (1817-1898).
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| 37.31 | King and Queen of Sweden | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Jun 15 1994 11:20 | 20 |
| To: International Swedish Interest discussion list
<[email protected]>
From: Torkel Franzen <[email protected]>
>Where does the Queen of Sweden come from?
She is German - Silvia Sommerlath. I'm not sure the "generic" national
costume was actually invented because of her - I suspect it was
introduced much earlier, but revived and coming into any sort of use
only with the present queen.
There's no doubt that the queen has helped bolster the standing of the
monarchy. But anyway republican sentiment in Sweden is not very fervent
or widespread, and the monarchy has an army of staunch supporters in
the form of little old ladies who turn out to cheer on such occasions
as birthdays and anniversaries. The present king is by no means a
scintillating personality, but he does his job. In particular he is a
great improvement on his great-grandfather (not great grandfather!),
and in time he may well become as popular as his grandfather, whom he
succeeded to the throne.
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| 37.32 | Does Sweden have an aristocracy ? | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Jul 27 1994 11:03 | 14 |
| From: Torkel Franzen <[email protected]>
To: International Swedish Interest discussion list
<SWEDE-L%[email protected]>
Subject: Swedish Aristocracy
A Swedish aristocracy exists in the sense that there are noble
families, represented by coats of arms in Riddarhuset in Stockholm.
It's unclear to me whether there are any hereditary titles, but
you practically never hear them used, anyway. Possibly somebody is
spoken of as 'greve' (count) from time to time. The only dukes
(hertig) in Sweden are members of the royal family. No new titles
have been created since Sven Hedin was knighted in the early part
of the century. So there is not an aristocracy in Sweden the way
there is in the UK.
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| 37.33 | Recent 'royal' discussion from soc.culture.nordic | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Apr 25 1995 13:31 | 122 |
| From: [email protected] (Torbjorn Semb Dahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian royalty?
Date: 24 Apr 1995 11:34:32 +0100
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Norway certainly have the finest Royal Family you can find in the world
today. The current King Harald the Fifth, was made King when his father
King Olav the Fifth died in 1991. King Olav was then the longest
reigning monarch in the world.
King Harald's Queen Sonja is a lady of the people. Her birthname was
Sonja Haraldsen. Together they have the two children Crown Prince
Haakon and Princess Marta Louise. The Crown Prince is currently
enrolled at the Norwegian Navy's Officer's academy, to get the military
education the monarch of Norway needs. This is stated in the Norwegian
Law. He well follow his father as King of Norway even though his sister
is the elder of the two. This law was changed in the seventies and
Crown Prince Haakon's eldest child will be King/Queen after him, boy or
girl.
The current line of Kings go back to the liberation of Norway in 1905.
It was then decided that Norway was to have it's own King, and the
Danish Prince at the time. The later King Haakon the Seventh was
asked.
This connects the Norwegian Royal family very closely to the Danish and
the Brittish Royal families.
Before this Norway have had two lines of Kings. The first starting with
the First King of all Norway, Harald Haarfagre. Who united the land
with the battle of 'Stikklestad' in 1030 A.D. Other famous Kings
through the years have been:
Siggurd Jordsalfare - Who spoke against the pope in Rome
( Norway's first NO! )
Magnus Lagaboeter - the Lawmaker
Olav the Holy - Who christianed Norway.
Another famous Royal NO! was King Haakon the Seventh's 'no' to Hitler's
request that Norway should surrender to Nazi-Germany without
resistance, like Denmark did. The King as the head of the Parliament
said 'no' and Germany declared war on Norway. The King and the
Parliament fled to England and lead the resistance from there.
There have of course been some royalty shared with Denmark and Sweden.
The last King of Sweden-Norway was Oscar the Second. I think the Danish
King who lost Norway to Sweden was Christian the Fourth.
Today the King is still the head of parliament. It's he who askes the
largest party after an election to form his government. He also has a
veto on all new laws. This veto has only been used once, and then on
request from the Parliament to avoid some formal problems.
Ex. President of The Oslo Cathedral School's Royalist Society
SubLt./Navy T.S.Dahl
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From: [email protected] (Mats Winberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian royalty?
Date: 24 Apr 1995 13:52:25 GMT
Organization: Ericsson
Harald Fairhair (Haarfagre) united Norway in the late 800's. Olav the
Holy died in the Stiklastad battle in 1030. At that time Harald
Fairhair had been dead for approximately a 100 years.
Swedish connections: According to Snorre, Harald was a descendant of
the Swedish 'Ynglingaaetten' and hence to Odin. Olav the Holy sought
support from the Swedish king Anund Jakob in Uppsala before the battle
of Stiklastad.
About royalty: the royalties of Scandinavia are connected through
kinship. Denmark's Queen Margrethe is cousin to Swedish King Carl
Gustav.
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Stockholm, Sweden
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From: [email protected] (Halldor Fossa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian royalty?
Date: 24 Apr 1995 14:29:30 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK
My father always told me that since the Norwegian queen Margrethe in
1380 (approx.) married into the Danish royal family, the current
Norwegian Royal family is directly related back to the pre-Danish
Norwegian kings. Apparently, this was also very important when electing
Prince Carl to become Haakon VII in 1905. (Remember of course that Carl
was not a Danish CROWN prince, his elder brother went on to become King
in Denmark).
Also, his wife, Princess Maud, daughter of Edward VII of England
(Emperor of India and all that), was Carl's cousin, as Maud's mother
was daughter of Frederik VIII (or was it Christian X?), who was Carl's
grandfather.
To make matters worse, Crown Prince Olav (later Olav V) married HIS
cousin Princess Maertha from Sweden.
As a Norwegian and a firm monarchist, I think we can safely say that
Harald V made a sound move when he married a commoner and got a
sensible addition to the royal gene pool!
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Department of Computing
Imperial College Tel: + 44 (0)171 594 8312
180 Queen's Gate
London SW7 2BZ Fax: + 44 (0)171 581 8024
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| 37.34 | Follow up to .33 | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Apr 26 1995 13:18 | 59 |
| From: [email protected] (Ivar Staale Ertesvaag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian royalty?
Date: 24 Apr 1995 11:45:11 GMT
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
There was, officially, one line of kings before the unions in the 14th
century: male decendants of Harald H�rfagre. However, there are some
very doubtful links, particularily Sverre "Sigurdson", king in the
1180/90-ties and H�kon "H�konson", king ca. 1200-1265.
In the 15th century (late 14th?) the Oldenburger family became kings of
Denmark and Norway. This line had a thin line to the H�rfagre-family.
Officialy today's Norwegian and Danish royal family is decendants of
Christian I. There are, however, reasons to doubt some of the official
fatherships in the 16 - 17th century.
The king is _NOT_ head of the Storting. In the constitution the two are
at equal level. The king choses a council (cabinet), and is of cource
head of the cabinet. On the other hand, the king (i.e. the cabinet) is
responsible for foreign affairs. The "no's" in 1940 was 1) to the
germans (to surrender), and 2) to the cabinet (to dissolve and make a
new based on all parties at the Storting)
In the years with the Swedish king (1814-1905) there were several
vetos. In this matter the constitution has not been changed
significantly.
Ivar Ertesv�g
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From: [email protected] (Simen Gaure)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian royalty?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:30:49 +0100
Organization: University of Oslo
One should of course add that today the King has no formal power except
the delaying veto; the references to the King in the laws is a
reference to the government. The King and his family is required to
not have public political opinions, nor may he interfere with anything
political. (But the King is required to believe in the christian god)
However, he may still have significant informal power, I doubt very
strongly that any politician would have the stomach to go against the
will of the King (if he made it public).
Also, members of the royal family enjoy full legal immunity, they can
not be charged with crimes. Should any of them commit any serious
crime, I guess it would mean the end of monarchy.
In general, Norwegians are proud of the royal family, even hard-core
socialists and communists usually support the monarchy in its current
form. (Although the "Socialist Left Party" ritually proposes a
republican change to the constitution in every parliamentary period.)
--
Simen Gaure, Department of Mathematics, University of Oslo
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| 37.35 | Wedding engagement | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Jun 01 1995 13:24 | 15 |
| From: Peter Ravn Rasmussen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Denmark: Royal engagement announced
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 13:40:16 PDT
Organization: Berlingske
A small piece of news from Denmark:
At 1 P.M. local time, May 31, 1995, the Speaker of the Danish
Folketing, Erling Olsen, announced the engagement to be married of His
Highness Prince Joachim, second in line to the throne, with Alexandra
Christina Manley, 30, a British national, resident in Hong Kong.
The wedding will take place in November.
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| 37.36 | Crown Princess Victoria comes of age | TLE::SAVAGE | | Fri Jul 14 1995 16:53 | 44 |
| From: [email protected] (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Swedish Crown Princess turns 18 today
Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:53:26 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology
H.R.H. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden turns 18 today, July 14. Due
to a constitutional change which took effect on Jan 1 this year, this
also means that she can be a reigning queen from today; earlier an age
of 25 was required. This further means that she can act as stand-in for
the King when he's on foreign state visits or otherwise unable to carry
out his duties. The only other person of the royal house who could do
this up to yesterday was Prince Bertil, 83, the little brother of
former King Gustav VI Adolf (which was the presnt king's grandfather),
as all other members of the royal family are ineglibile for inheriting
the crown. After eligible members of the royal house, the speaker of
the parliament is next in line to be stand-in. It was judged very
impractical for the speaker to have to perform this duty regularly, as
Prince Bertil's health has been deteriorating, and the Crown Princess
wouldn't be eligible until 2002 under the previous version of the order
of succession.
As the king or queen of Sweden has even less official functions than in
other European monarchies, this "stand-in" duty is mostly limited to
being chairman of the forign policy council (where the government and
the opposition meet to agree on important decisions on foregin policy
issues), since the king would hardly be on state visit during the
official opening of the parliament.
The Crown Princess has a younger brother, Carl Philip, born 1979, and a
sister, Madeleine, born 1982. From Jan 1, 1980, the oldest child
inherits the throne irrespective of gender, which effectively meant
that Carl Philip lost his status as Crown Prince a few months old. This
change in the order of succession was clubbed for the first time before
he was born, though. (It takes two simple majority decisions by the
parliament, with a regular election in-between, to make constitutional
changes in Sweden.)
Tomas
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Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Max-Planck-Institute for Colloid and Interface Research, Berlin, Germany
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| 37.37 | Danish prince marries | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Nov 20 1995 14:01 | 53 |
| From: [email protected] (Flemming Ravn Neft)
Subject: *** Royal wedding in Denmark ***
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 7:39:1 GMT
Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research
and Education.
*** DAY OF CELEBRATION ***
Today, Saturday the 18th of November 1995, at app. 16:30 hours
His Royal Highness Prince Joachim
Second child of Her Majesty the Queen Margrethe II of Denmark
and His Royal Highness the Prinse Consort Henri (born in France)
is going to marry
Alexandra Manley (born in Hong Kong)
in
the Church of Fredensborg Castle in the town of Hilleroed.
Representatives from all the Royal Houses in Europe are invited, such
as from Norway, Sweden, Greece, Holland and many others, and also State
Sovereins from many countries, Excellences and representatives of the
Danish and Hong Kong people.
The event does mark a day of celebration in all corners of the Kingdom.
Chinese as well as Danish astrologers foresee happy constellations for
the wedding and the wedded to be.
Denmark is the most ancient monarchy in the World still to be in
function and can produce an uninterrupted list of monarchs for more
than THOUSAND years. The first Kings to the list are Sigfred and
Godfred who reigned around year 800. The first Danish King mentioned in
the sources seems to be King Hugleik (Chochilaichus) in documents dated
to approximately the year 515.
Denmark is a constitutional monarchy, which means that Parliament
governs under Her Majesty's authority. According to the Constitution,
the Royal Family belongs to the Lutheran Protestant Church like
ninety-five percent of the populations which counts 5 million
individuals.
The wedded to be are going to live on Schackenborg Castle, not far away
from the Danish border to Germany.
May God bless the Royal Family, so that our country will prosper,
Flemming Ravn Neft
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| 37.38 | Minnesota visit | TLE::SAVAGE | | Thu Aug 15 1996 11:44 | 31 |
| From: "Gary K. Jacobson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.talk.royalty,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Swedish Royal Visit Info
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:24:49 -0700
Organization: Millenium Communications
The King and Queen of Sweden will be in St. Peter, Minnesota on
September 12th at Gustavus Adolphus College. Public appearances will
be from 1:30-3:00pm. A convocation in Christ Chapel will be held at
1:30pm (ticket required) and the rededication of the Nobel Hall of
Science will be held at 2:15pm.
The Royal Couple is then off to Minneapolis/St.Paul with plans to
attend a variety show at Bethel College. A reception at 7:30pm with
seating required before 8:15, when the Royal Couple will be seated.
Tickets are from $15-$35.
Then on September 13 there is some uncertainty, but I think they are
heading up to Vilhelm Moberg territory around the Lindstrom/Chisago
City area.
On September 14 they will be attending a ceremony to commemorate the
150th anniversary of the founding of the Bishop Hill Colony in Bishop
Hill, Illinois.
Many rare opportunities to see and/or meet royalty are presenting
themselves!!
Med v�nliga h�lsningar,
Gary Jacobson [email protected]
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| 37.39 | Who preceded the Bernadotte dynasty in Sweden | TLE::SAVAGE | | Wed Aug 21 1996 11:33 | 43 |
| From: "Gary K. Jacobson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Royal Visit or Swedish Royal Family
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:22:51 -0500
Organization: Millennium Communications, Inc.
The last of the old Swedish line of kings was King Karl XIII. He was
the son of King Adolf Frederik and Lovisa Ulrika. He was born in
1748. He was the second of Adolf Frederik's sons to occupy the throne
of Sweden. He succeded his nephew, Gustav IV Adolf, in 1809. Karl
XIII was not known for having the most stable mind. He adopted the
French general, Jean Baptiste Bernadotte in 1810, as his son and heir.
Karl XIII died in 1818 and Jean Baptiste Bernadotte succeded him as
King Karl XIV Johan. The current king of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustav, is
a descendant of King Adolf Frederik.
For complete genealogical data on the Swedish royals, visit Arne
Wallgrens database at:
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/swedish/
This is a very good resource for names and dates. It doesn't get into
details much, however.
If you want details you can go to
http://www.luth.se/luth/present/sweden/history/ But the info about
Swedish kings is not yet available. You can, however, learn a lot
about Swedish queens. I checked with the author recently, and he said
that the King section is much more complicated and will take some time
to prepare.
--
Gary K. Jacobson
Rochester, Minnesota, USA
E-Mail: [email protected]
[email protected]
Homepage: http://www.millcomm.com/~gary983/index.html
"May I not seemed to have lived in vain" the last words of the
astronomer Tycho Brahe in 1601.
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| 37.40 | Prince Bertil of Sweden dies | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Jan 21 1997 13:01 | 144 |
| 37.41 | Happy birthday Queen Margrethe! | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Apr 22 1997 15:18 | 23 |
| From: [email protected] (Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Celebration of the birthday of Queen Margrethe II in Copenhagen
today
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:32:53 GMT
Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research
and Education.
In celebration of the birthday of the Danish Queen Margrethe II today,
pictures from the celebration at noon at the Royal Castle Amalienborg
can now be found at the home page Copenhagen Pictures at url:
http://www.danbbs.dk/~ais/copenhagen/
Enjoy!
Regards,
Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen
Webmaster, Copenhagen Pictures
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