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Title:How to Make them Goodies
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Created:Tue Feb 18 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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4032.0. "Trans fatty acids/Hydrogenated vegetable oils" by SUBURB::MCDONALDA (Shockwave Rider comfortably numb) Thu Feb 23 1995 04:23

       So, what's the deal on these Trans fatty acids contained in
    Hydrogenated vegetable oils? Despatches (a channel 4 'current affairs'
    program) painted a frightening picture of the adverse affects of Trans
    fatty acids and the appalling quantity the food industry 'hides' in
    produce.
    
       What I found most scary was not so much the evidence of harm put
    forward by independant scientists (though it was scary enough) but
    rather the Gestapo type tactics used by the food industry's scientific
    expert and the patronising BS flowing from the two industry executives.
    
       If these Trans fatty acids (found in so called healthy foods e.g.
    maragrines, vegetable pies, vegetable burgers, practically low fat
    anything) are so safe and healthy why does the UK government (not noted
    for its leadership role in anything to do with food) recommend not
    consuming more than 5 grams of Trans fatty acids a day and why do food 
    labels not tell me how much is in the product?
    
    Angus
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4032.1Hydrogenated mixed vegetable oils.COMICS::HAMILTONSScott HAMILTON U.K. CSC DTN:833 3538Fri May 19 1995 12:2724
	I'm not too sure what a Trans fatty acid is exactly!!! But hydrogenated vege oils
	I know are rather revolting things... Margarine being the archetypeal hydrogenated
	vege oil, since to begin with, the blended vege oils are the cheapest ones the
	industry can buy, this is sometimes in some countries includes animals fats if they
	are cheaper. After the oils have been hyrogenated to make them firm it is then bleached
	since it looks something similar to used sump oil you find in your local
	petrol garage after an oil change. After the bleaching it must be coloured yellow
	and then varying amounts of animal fat added to make it smell/look more like butter.
	I use to be a pastry cook and we had over 15 different types of margarines we
	used for different types of pastries, but I know the biscuit industry in Australia
	had over 145 different types of margarine a different one for each biscuit recipe...

	It has long being recognised in Australia (though not officially) that margarine
	contains a high number of carcinogens (sp??), check with one of the Uni's who do
	food technology or their libraries for reports results of test or compositions.

	I'd imagine the CSIRO in Oz has data about this, but can't think who in U.K. would
	have anything.....  But can you imagine what chemical process must be undertaken
	to change a liquid at room temprature to a solid at room tempature by changing
	the structure of molecules rather than thru other absortion type methods!!!!!


	Scott "give me butter anytime", Esq.
4032.2Reformatted .1REGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Fri May 19 1995 14:1228
    I'm not too sure what a Trans fatty acid is exactly!!!  But hydrogenated
    vegie oils I know are rather revolting things....  Margarine being the
    archetypeal hydrogenated vegie oil, since, to begin with, the blended
    vegie oils are the cheapest ones the industry can buy, this is sometimes
    in some countries includes animals fats if they are cheaper.  After the
    oils have been hyrogenated to make them firm it is then bleached. since
    it naturally looks something similar to used sump oil you find in your
    local petrol garage after an oil change.  After the bleaching it must
    be coloured yellow and then varying amounts of animal fat added to make
    it smell/look more like butter.  I used to be a pastry cook and we had
    over 15 different types of margarines we used for different types of
    pastries, but I know the biscuit industry in Australia had over 145
    different types of margarine a different one for each biscuit
    recipe....
    
    It has long being recognised in Australia (though not officially) that
    margarine contains a high number of carcinogens (sp??); check with one
    of the Uni's who do food technology or their libraries for reports'
    results of test or compositions.
    
    I'd imagine the CSIRO in Oz has data about this, but can't think who
    in the U.K. would have anything....  But can you imagine what chemical
    process must be undertaken to change a liquid at room temperature to
    a solid at room temperature by changing the structure of molecules
    rather than thru other absortion type methods!!!!!


	Scott "give me butter anytime", Esq.
4032.3GEMGRP::gemnt3.zko.dec.com::winalskiPLIT happens...Sun May 21 1995 15:0873
Fatty acid biochemistry 101:

A fatty acid is an unbranched, unsubstituted alpha carboxylic acid with an 
even number of carbon atoms.  "Saturated" refers to the state of 
hydrogenation.  A saturated fatty acid has no double bonds and thus has as 
much hydrogen as possible (i.e., it is saturated with hydrogen).  
Unsaturated fatty acids contain one or more double bonds.

The general chemical formula for a saturated fatty acid is thus:

	H-(CH2-CH2)n-CH2-COOH

the prototype for fatty acids is thus acetic acid (CH3-COOH), also known 
as vinegar, which is case n=0.  Case n=1 is butyric acid.  Case n=6 is 
myristic acid, n=7 is palmitic acid (one of the most common ones).  For 
most fatty acids, n is in the range 6-10.

Unsaturated fatty acids, as mentioned before, have one or more double 
bonds.  Fats formed from unsaturated fatty acids have lower melting points 
than those formed from saturated fatty acids and therefore unsaturated 
fatty acids tend to be liquid at room temperature (oils) whereas saturated 
fatty acids tend to be solid at room temperature.  This is why vegetable 
oils have to be partially hydrogenated (i.e., some of the double bonds 
turned back into single bonds) to form solid fats such as vegetable 
shortening or margarine.

Carbon-carbon double bonds can't rotate the way that carbon-carbon single 
bonds do.  Therefore, there are two possible configruations about the 
double bond in an unsaturated fat:

1) R-CH2   CH2-R'      2) R-CH2   H
      \   /                  \   /
       C=C                    C=C
      /   \                  /   \
     H     H                H     CH2-R'

Configuration 1 is called the cis configuration (Latin for "on this side 
of) because both hydrogens are on the same side of the double bond.  
Configuration 2 is called the trans configuration (Latin for "beyond") 
because one hydrogen is on the other side of the double bond.  Fatty acids 
with cis- double bonds are called cis-fatty acids.  Those with double 
bonds in the trans configruation are called trans-fatty acids.

It turns out that all the unsaturated fatty acids normally found in 
naturally-occurring fats have all of their double bonds in the cis
configuration.  This happens because the enzymes that dehydrogenate 
saturated fatty acids to form unsaturated fatty acids are absolutely 
specific for producing the cis form.  But the chemical hydrogenation 
processes used to partially hydrogenate vegetable oils do not have this 
specificity, and thus you get trans-fatty acids in such products.

There are metabolic pathways in the cell for dealing with trans-fatty 
acids (they occur in some bacterial cell walls), but they are a 
side-branch of the normal, well-travelled pathways of fat breakdown.

I, too, would like to hear just what is allegedly so bad about trans-fatty 
acids.


RE: .1, .2

    I'd imagine the CSIRO in Oz has data about this, but can't think who
    in the U.K. would have anything....  But can you imagine what chemical
    process must be undertaken to change a liquid at room temperature to
    a solid at room temperature by changing the structure of molecules
    rather than thru other absortion type methods!!!!!

Nothing particularly drastic, certainly a lot less drastic than the 
oxygenation and protein denaturation that occurs when you clarify butter. 
As discussed above, the change from a liquid to a solid occurs because the 
hydrogenation raises the melting point of the fat.

--PSW