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Title:How to Make them Goodies
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Created:Tue Feb 18 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
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3916.0. "Fennel=Anise?" by NAPIER::HEALEY (M&ES, MRO4, 297-2426) Mon Mar 21 1994 11:47


	I did dir/title=fennel and dir/title=anise and didn't find
	what I'm looking for.


	I had a recipe that called for fennel and I went to buy it
	in the grocery store and the produce employee told me that
	anise was the same thing so I bought a bulb of anise.  

	Are they really the same?  Or just very similar?  Having
	never tried either, I had no idea but the recipe came out
	fine.  I looked both up in the dictionary and they both are
	related to the carrot family but neither was listed as a
	synonym of the other.

	Karen
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3916.1TOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Mon Mar 21 1994 12:178
Well, fennel certainly has an anise-like flavor, but I'm not sure I've ever
seen an anise plant. I don't know about the relationship to the the plant
that produces star anise, either, but judging from the appearance of the
star anise (pod/seed/???) I wouldn't expect that plant to be similar to
fennel.

-Jack

3916.2ASABET::TRUMPOLTLiz Trumpolt - 223-7195, MSO2-2/F3Mon Mar 21 1994 14:135
    Yes, Anise and fennel are basicly the same things.  They are both a
    root plant type veggie and when cooked.  They both have a anise flavor
    and can be substituted for one another.
    
    
3916.3TOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Mon Mar 21 1994 18:389
re: .2

>    Yes, Anise and fennel are basicly the same things.  They are both a
>    root plant type veggie

The only fennel I'm familiar with is more like celery than any root. Are
we talking about the same things here?

-Jack
3916.4Use the leaves!SNOC02::MASCALLArt Imitates Life. Again.Mon Mar 21 1994 18:4914
My Italian almost-mother-in-law uses a handful of the feathery leaves 
in certain dishes (minestrone for example). The leaves look a little 
like dill. You don't need a lot to impart a lovely delicate aniseedy 
seasoning to the dish.

re: -.1 - yes, it looks a lot like a celery, too.

You can eat the 'bulb' raw: just wash it, slice it roughly, pour a 
little olive oil and vinegar over it and crack black pepper on top. 
Fantastic as something to nibble on while you're making Italian food!

~Sheridan~
:^)

3916.5P.S.SNOC02::MASCALLArt Imitates Life. Again.Mon Mar 21 1994 18:508
It grows wild by the sides of the roads in Sydney, no idea why. They 
say wild fennel is stronger in flavour than the ones you get in shops.

In Italian it's 'finocchio'.

~Sheridan~
:^)

3916.6Bon Appetit discusses fennelQUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Mar 21 1994 21:167
    There are two types of fennel.  Florence fennel, also known as
    sweet fennel (or by its Italian name finocchio), is grown mainly
    for the swollen "bulb" that forms at the base of the plant.  The other
    type is known as herb, or common, fennel.  It produces lovely
    anise-flavored seeds, but no bulb to speak of.
    
    			[From Bon Appetit, April 1994, p136]
3916.7PERLE::glantzMike, Paris Research Lab, 776-2836Tue Mar 22 1994 05:254
They're similar, but definitely not identical. Anise leaves can be used
in place of fennel leaves in some recipes, but they have a much
stronger licorice flavor. In my opinion, in most recipes calling for
fennel, dill would be a better substitute than anise.
3916.8So, have I got it right?NAPIER::HEALEYM&ES, MRO4, 297-2426Tue Mar 22 1994 08:0818

Well, this recipe called for 1/2 C sliced fennel bulb.  I used anise
bulb which looks sort of like celery and has a very delicate flavor.  
I cannot imagine dill as a substitute since it is so strong, however, 
I don't like dill as a seasoning anyhow (but I do like pickles...).

So, it sounds like it depends on the type of fennel called for in
a recipe to determine an adequate substitute.  If I follow your
suggestions, then:

1.  Substitute anise bulb for fennel bulb

2.  Substitute dill for fennel leaves?  This one I'm not sure about.

Karen


3916.9PERLE::glantzMike, Paris Research Lab, 776-2836Tue Mar 22 1994 08:151
I agree with your summary.
3916.10Liquorice flavour salads yuk!SHIPS::ELLIOTT_GQue hermeso es tenir un amigoTue Mar 22 1994 08:445
    Either one,go easy on amounts as the flavour is overpowering.Personally 
    I dont like the taste of liquorice in food.
    Except of course liquorice itself and Pernod!
    La de da...
    Geoff
3916.11salad alternativesGOLLY::CARROLLthe courage of my contradictionsTue Mar 22 1994 10:339
    Raw fennel (the bulb kind) is great it salads!  It's sweet and crunchy. 
    I like it with red pepper and some strongly flavored not-sweet lettuce
    (romaine, sometimes with spinach too) to offset the sweet of those
    things.
    
    It doesn't mix well with some dressings, though.  I wouldn't want, say,
    thousand island with fennel.
    
    D!
3916.12Bronze and green and blubs.SUBURB::MCDONALDAShockwave RiderTue Mar 22 1994 11:087
    I've grown bronze Fennel. Its very pretty, seeds itself with promiscous
    zeal and has a strong Aniseed smell. A border with the odd bronze and
    green Fennel plant looks spectacular. I haven't tried cooking with
    bronze Fennel. I don't think I recall seeing a bulb on the Bronze
    Fennel plants I've had.
    
    Angus
3916.13FinnochioSEABRZ::SEELEYTue Mar 22 1994 12:554
My mother (Italian) loves to have some "finnochio" (finn-o'-kia) after a meal
on holidays.  She just eats it plain like celery sticks.

Lauren
3916.14also a diet aidODIXIE::KISTEMAKERFri Apr 01 1994 14:384
    I have also heard that fennel is used as a diet aid.  It suppresses
    the appetite.  
    
    Alona
3916.15STYMPY::TOWLEThu Apr 28 1994 20:224
    
    	I add about a teaspoon of fennel seed to a batch of spagetti sauce.
    	I pour it into my palm, crush it briefly between my fingers, and
    	dump it into the sauce and let it cook for the next two hours.
3916.16fennel bulbADISSW::HAECKMea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!Fri Mar 21 1997 14:486
I found a recipe that calls for fennel bulb.  Can I substitute fennel seed?
This is for a soup, if that makes a difference.

Alternately, where in S. NH would I find fennel bulb?  I looked in the herb
section at the supermarket.  Maybe I should look more in the green leafy
things like beet greens and swiss chard?
3916.17PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Mar 21 1997 15:336
  .16  Fennel bulb is a largish white section of the fennel, resembling
       the white part of celery only much wider.  If it's the main
       textural ingredient in the soup, then no, you can't substitute
       fennel seed.  

3916.18TURRIS::lspace.zko.dec.com::winalskiPLIT Happens...Fri Mar 21 1997 15:556
RE: .16

You definitely want to look in the produce section, amongst the leafy 
vegetables.

--PSW
3916.19MPGS::MILLSMon Mar 24 1997 09:531
    And, typically, the grocers label fennel as anise.