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Title:How to Make them Goodies
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Created:Tue Feb 18 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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3671.0. "science of the kitchen - why do it" by CHEEKO::ANDERSON () Thu Oct 29 1992 15:50


looking for info

a long while back a book came out called the science of the kitchen.
it was not very extensive but explained a lot of the science on why
something is used or happens. But again, it was very limited.

The problem with cook books etc is that they just bleep out some
brainless instructions that one follows but don't really tell
you why.

I remember reading on the back of spaghetti boxes that one should
put a teaspoon of oil in the water. it doesn't say why.

sometime later i remember hearing on tv or somewhere the reasson for 
this. when the stuff boils, it foams. the way to break this foam is
to put oil in there that will break the tension or whatever on the
surface.

now what i have been looking for, for a long time, is cookbooks that
give brainless directions but actually tell why something is done.
this is a lot more useful knowledge that can be adapted for other 
situations.

i have not found such books. anybody out there know where such books
exist.

darryl

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3671.1VERGA::SHAWFri Oct 30 1992 08:3912
    Darryl,
    
    I have the Kitchen Science book - It's put out by Houghton Miffin.
    I can get you the ISBN number if you're interested in ordering
    it at a book store.
    
    I really enjoyed the book - it told you all about the why's and
    wherefore's of cooking. Unfortunately, I'm not an avid cook, so
    I don't use it in everyday practice, but it still explained a lot
    of things to me.
    
    helen
3671.2SPEZKO::RAWDENFri Oct 30 1992 13:494
    EATING WELL magazine did a writeup on someone (was it this Spring?) who
    wrote one of these scientific type cookbooks.  Seemed like a really
    interesting book.  Check your local library for back issues and you
    might luck out with finding the issue...
3671.3_On Food and Cooking_3D::ROTHGeometry is the real life!Fri Oct 30 1992 14:3112
    While it's not a direct answer to your question, there's a book
    by Harold McGee titled _On Food and Cooking_ that has an immense
    amount of interesting facts about food, its history, and its
    science.  Highly recommended!

    There are also definitely books that explain the why as well as the
    how - _The Cake Bible_ is an example.

    I've heard of the kitchen science book mentioned before but never
    looked thru it.

    - Jim
3671.4One more referenceLEDS::DTSULLIVANFri Oct 30 1992 14:387
    
    
    McGee also has another book _The Curious Cook_. It is not quite as
    large as OFaC.  But still interesting.  This one is still in the
    bookstores (in paper). OFaC I have seen in some of the mail order
    places (I haven't looked for it in the bookstores).
     
3671.5Couple more ...MILE::PRIESTWed Nov 04 1992 09:1511
    Don't know if it's available outside the UK, but Delia Smith's
    "Complete Cookery Course" is great for giving basic cooking techniques,
    some excellent recipes and good background on the techniques and how/why
    they work. 
    
    Also any of Elizabeth David's books make great reading as well as being
    superb cook-books.
    
    Incidentally, I always thought the reason for the oil in the water was
    to stop the pasta strands sticking together ?!
    
3671.6re: oil GIAMEM::FARLEYpurple is a primary colorWed Nov 04 1992 13:328
    re .5
    
    The added oil - 
    
    That's what I always thought too, and it does work.  My pasta doesn't
    dare stick together now....
    
    K.
3671.7JuliaKOLFAX::WHITMANAcid Rain Burns my BassWed Nov 04 1992 14:505
Julia Childs  "The Way to Cook" is technique based moreso that just follow
the recipe...


Al
3671.8Try "Kitchen Science"...FRUST::HAMILTONFri Nov 06 1992 08:429
The best I've seen in this category is "Kitchen Science" by _<don't know 1st name>
Hilman. Excellent. Everything you always wondered about in your kitchen regarding
processes & how they work and why. The book also contains many "principle illus-
trating recipes" such as a basic souffle. 

Go ahead and buy it  -  you won't be disappointed.


Scott
3671.9New magazine devoted to the science of cookingCAMONE::BONDEWed Nov 11 1992 14:5518
    According to today's Hartford Courant, there's now a magazine dedicated
    to the science of cooking, _Cook's Illustrated_, that should be on
    newsstands by the end of the month.  Actually, it's the resurrection of
    a magazine that ceased publication back in 1990.  
    
    The 36-page magazine will be published bimonthly and contain no
    advertising.  According to its executive editor, Mark Bittman, the
    magazine will emphasize the science of cooking--complete with
    illustrations breaking down cooking techniques step by step--so that
    home cooks can improvise with confidence.  The first issue will contain
    articles on soups, breads, roasting chickens, and taste-testing olive
    oils and chianti wines.
    
    _Cook's Illustrated_ will be sold by subscription, and at newsstands,
    bookstores, and culinary stores.  A charter subscription is $19.95 for
    one year; the regular subscription rate will be $24.95 for six issues. 
    For information, call (800)544-7100.
                           
3671.10FLUKES::SUTTONHe roams the seas in freedom...Thu Nov 12 1992 08:115
    "Kitchen Science" is still readily available; I just ordered a copy
    through my local bookstore ('Jabberwocky' in Newburyport) and received
    it within a week. $8.95 in paperback.
    
    	/Harry
3671.11Why pre-fry?ROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighMon Nov 16 1992 09:4710
I made a another dish this weekend that called for frying chicken parts
prior to oven-baking them in a sauce. (The results were excellent.) But I
wondered, why fry the chicken first? It was going to be in the sauce in a
350 degree oven for 1� hours anyway, so it can't be a salmonella or
botulism issue. And, cooking chicken in a sauce for that long practically
ensures that it's going to be in a falling-off-the-bone condition.

I think I understand sauteing beef chunks prior to stewing; but chicken?

Art
3671.12PATE::MACNEALruck `n&#039; rollMon Nov 16 1992 12:433
�                               -< Why pre-fry? >-
    
    To crisp the skin and render the fat.
3671.13FRUST::HAMILTONTue Nov 17 1992 03:046
Or,maybe the object is to seal the pores on the skin of the chicken
pieces to minimize moisture loss during the subsequent cooking.



Scott
3671.14KAOOA::BORDATue Nov 17 1992 16:4113
    
    I believe the previous reply is close to the answer of pre-frying or
    browning if you will. I make Hungarian Chicken Paprikash often(cuz
    I'm Hungarian) and many times I'm in a hurry. If I rush and do not
    brown the chicken first it leaves little floaties all in the sauce
    as it cooks. The floaties are blood from the chicken I believe and
    browning seals the pores and reduces this effect. Much like when you
    make chicken soup and the foam rises to the top...if you leave this it
    will leave the little floaties in your soup..:-)
    
    Regards
    Les
    
3671.15technical jargon, aka buzzwordsKOLFAX::WHITMANAcid Rain Burns my BassTue Nov 17 1992 18:5214
<   ...
<    will leave the little floaties in your soup..:-)
			   --------


   "floaties" -- now there is a technical term for a topic dedicated to the
   "science" of cooking.....



Al,

ps.	I'm sorry Les,  I just couldn't help my self....

3671.16a sealing processROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighWed Nov 18 1992 09:2213
I'm a writer, a communicator, and sometimes a cook. I *like* the word
FLOATIES. It immediately conjured up the image of the (previously
referred to as-) stuff that emerges during the making of chicken broth.
I'll call it floaties from now on.

I'm arriving at an agreement with the latter explanations. First, the
major fat is rendered off. Second, the outer 1/8" or so of flesh is
rapidly cooked (lightly seared?), thus sealing that layer and preventing
the release of internal juices.

It makes sense.

Art
3671.17KAOOA::BORDAWed Nov 18 1992 10:3411
    
    Ah that's OK Al...guess I left myself kind of open on that highly techno
    term of  "floaties"..;-).
    
     Something that dawned me last evening as well is that the ends of the
    joints(ie leg,thigh,etc) are also sealed by browning...much of the
    "floaties"(geez I like that word) come from the leakage of bone marrow
    into the liquid.
    
    Les
    
3671.18The whole point of kitchen science booksLEDS::DTSULLIVANWed Nov 18 1992 12:5110
    
    
    re .13
    
    The poeter should check out _The Curous Cook_ that was mentioned
    previously.  The first chapter discusses this topic.
    
    (If you brown meat to seal in juices, why is it that when the meat is
    placed on a plate, it 'leaks'?)
    
3671.19floaties is a good termFORTSC::ORNELASJaime OrnelasWed Nov 18 1992 14:235
well I LIKE "floaties" and it fits the subject perfectly...so, from now
on in my house, it's "floaties"...

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3671.20Another TitleDUSTER::COLLINSSearchin&#039; for JesseWed Dec 09 1992 19:3516
    
    	My favorite cooking science book is:
    
    		The Cookbook Decoder
    			or Culinary Alchemy Explained
    
    		  Arthur E. Grosser	�1981
    		   
    		   Beaufort Books, Inc.   New York
    
    		ISBN: 0-8253-0033-9		$14.95
    
    
    -rjc-