[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference turris::cooks

Title:How to Make them Goodies
Notice:Please Don't Start New Notes for Old Topics! Check 5.*
Moderator:FUTURE::DDESMAISONSec.com::winalski
Created:Tue Feb 18 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4127
Total number of notes:31160

1527.0. "Chicken-Fried Steak?" by ROBOAT::HEBERT (Captain Bligh) Tue Nov 22 1988 09:00

Texas and Oklahoma roadside restaurants of the truck-stop and Ma & Pa
variety have served me the best Chicken-Fried Steak I can find. Well, I
don't get out there much any more, so I want to make it myself.

If you're not familiar with Chicken-Fried Steak (the "Fried" in Texas and
Oklahoma rhymes with "card" in Boston), it's usually relatively thin,
maybe a 1/2 inch, not your best cuts (maybe even cube steak). One
uniqueness is that it's breaded; maybe dredged & pounded. It might be
skillet-fried to begin with, but I think it could be deep-fried - at
least at the end.  It's served with white gravy thick enough for the
ladle to stand up. Usually with mashed spuds on the side, and all TOO
frequently accompanied by fried okra. Washed down with iced tea or Lone
Star.

We've tried to make it a couple of times, but we haven't achieved
success.

Yes, I've looked through the keys (there isn't even a steak key), and
yes, I did a "dir/tit=". So I'm confident that by opening a topic I'm
doing a service.

I'll wait patiently.

Art
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
1527.1closeVIDEO::TEBAYNatural phenomena invented to orderTue Nov 22 1988 12:3541
    AHH-HEAVEN!
    
    I can't wait fro Christmas to come so I can go home to Texas
    and gorge myself at Massey's in Fort Worth on chicken fry.
    
    Somehow mine is never as good as theirs but it is fairly close.
    
    First-the steak. Buy arm or chuck-a cheap cut. Pound it yourself
    with a spikey meat mallet. Not too much. Should be about 1/2 inch
    thick when you start and about 3/8ths when you finish.
    
    Have a well seasoned iron skillet on hand. Render some chicken fat
    and mix that with lard. Get the mixture almost smoking hot.
    
    Put the meat in a mixture of beaten egg and a little water.
    About 2 tablespoons to to egg. Soak in this mixture for 15 minutes
    or so.
    
    In a bag put flour(white),salt,pepper,garlic and a dash of poultry
    seasoning. Shake meat is well coated-sometimes you have to repeat
    the egg and than the flour again. Chill in icebox for 20-30 minutes.
    Shake in flour again and fry in the hot fat. The fat should completely
    cover the meat and be very hot. Don't turn. If the fat is the right
    depth and hot enough you don't have to.
    
    The gravy- for each cup-
    
    2 tablespoons of the hot fat
    2 tablesppons of white flour
    1 cup whole milk
    
    In well seasoned iron skillet-cook flour briefly making a white
    roux. Add whole milk bring to bowl and than reduce heat and stir
    until of the proper thickness.
    
    Add salt,pepper to taste.
    
    ENJOY!
    
    What's wrong with okra and black eyes anyway!
    
1527.2Grandmother's recipeDNEAST::FENTON_LINDAmusic,music,musicWed Nov 23 1988 08:069
    Hi,
    This is my grandmother's recipe. I buy Cubed steak and I pound it
    til it's not to thin ot to thick and then I put the steak in the
    flour and I dip it in egg mix with a little water and then I put
    the steak in a bag with craker crumbs and coat it real good then
    I brown the steak in a electric frying pan and then temp. is 350
    and then I turn it down to 225 degrees and I simmer it for 45 to
    60 mintuies. I don't use the gravy.
    
1527.3Can we just have the GRAVY, Dad????????SSVAX::MCCULLERWed Nov 23 1988 12:1965
    
    My kids insist on chicken fried steak at least once every two weeks--
    but I strongly suspect it's the gravy, not the meat, they enjoy
    the most ("how's about a LOT more gravy this time, Dad? Huh?"). I
    tend to agree with them!  My mother is a tried-and-true Texas gal,
    who basically raised her kids on chicken fried steak. Until I left
    home, that's the only type of steak I knew of!
    
    Some very good advice in prior replies--I'll just add a few notes.
    
    Buy either the pre-pounded cube steak in the market, or plain sliced
    round steak (butterfly cut, roulade cut, etc). Place the meat on
    your board, cover with wax paper, and smack carefully with roller
    pin.  If you're really crafty, use a meat pounder (I don't, despite
    many years experience--I usually rip the meat to shreds with the
    meat pounder). When you're tired of hitting the meat, cut it into
    portions about 2" by 5" and stack them on a work plate.
    
    In a bowl, beat egg & milk with fork, set aside. On large plate,
    shake out good amount of flour. Toss on salt, pepper, herbs, etc.
    until you're satisfied with color of flour.  Heat moderate amount
    of veg. oil in skillet until fairly hot; dredge meat through flour,
    then egg/milk, then flour and lay pieces in skillet. Usual browning
    rules apply--don't crowd meat if you want it browned before it's
    cooked dead--and cook until the edges of meat look golden. CAREFULLY
    slide meat over, and brown other side. Remove first batch after
    ONLY BROWNING meat, and transfer to large plate with foil draped
    over plate. Cover meat, and continue cooking off the meat slices
    until all have been browned. It's not unusual to have to add some
    oil from time to time, depending on how much meat you have--just
    add it between batches of meat.
    
    When all the meat has been browned, remove the majority of remaining
    oil from pan, and arrange the browned portions in the skillet. You
    will find you have to stack meat at angles on top of portions to
    get it all in skillet (no problem). Cover loosly and crank down
    the heat to low.  Cook about 15-20 minutes, occassionally fooling
    with the portions to get those on top transfered to bottom at least
    once during this period.  With care, most of the thick, golden
    flour covering will remain on the meat.  When your kids start
    clawing the stove to get at the source of the fantastic smells,
    remove the meat portions carefully (yep--back to the large plate
    with the foil you used earlier. Aren't you frugal?!) Cover with
    the foil, and attack the gravy next.
    
    If too much oil, drain. If not enough, add butter/margarine. Crank
    up heat to medium, and stir in flour for nice, thick roux--stir
    and cook until it's cooked (hard to describe how much time). Take
    the large bowl of milk you cleverly heated in microwave earlier
    (note--this is a trick step, since I forgot to mention it earlier)
    and start stirring it in.  Let it cook on medium-to-medium high,
    stirring constantly.  It will thicken suddenly when it's darn good
    and ready to do so.  Pull it off the heat and stick in a large
    spoon. With enough salt, pepper and perseverance, this is truly
    a gravy you can eat by itself.
    
    You really can't miss on Chicken Fried Steak, as long as what you
    start with resembles meat and what you end with is gravy poured
    on everything in sight at the dinnertable!
    
    Good eating!
    
    Mac
    
                                                    
1527.4Same gravy for fried chicken!!DLOACT::RESENDEPfollowing the yellow brick road...Mon Nov 28 1988 14:445
BTW, the gravy described in these notes is exactly the same gravy I make 
when I fry chicken.  Believe me, if you make real cream gravy once, you 
won't ever make it another way again!

							Pat
1527.5read entire recipe before startingTYGON::WILDEwhy am I not yet a dragon?Wed Sep 18 1991 17:1734
>>>>Is there a good recipe our there for Chicken Fried Steak?

according to Dot Cooper, my friend from the south, this is the way:


	pound thin steak well, making sure to tenderize thoroughly.
	if you buy minute steaks, make the butcher run them through
	the tenderizer/pulverizer well before you take them.

	mix a couple of handfuls of white flour with enough black
	pepper to make it look nice and speckled.  Throw in a few
	teaspoons of salt. (I also add a little onion powder and
	garlic powder, but not when Dot can see me).  Place flour
	mix on a sheet of waxed paper or foil.

	Have a cup of buttermilk sitting in a bowl beside the flour.

	pat each steak dry with a paper towel, dip in buttermilk and
	coat well with flour.  place on platter.  Chill in refrigerator
	for at least 30 minutes.

	heat enough (1)bacon grease or (2) shortning or (3) lard or (4) oil
	to a depth of approx. 1/2 inch in a large, heavy skillet.  Drop
	the steaks gently into the hot grease/oil and fry until golden
	brown on one side.  Turn over and fry until golden brown on the
	other side.  Drain on paper towels and keep warm.  Take a few
	tablespoons of the cooking grease/oil into another pan.  Create
	a roux by adding equal amounts of the coating flour mixture to
	the pan and cook the flour to a light brown color.  Turn down the
	heat and gradually stir in two cups of whole milk, stirring
	constantly (the milk should be at room temp, ideally).  cook over
	low heat until thickened...if it gets too thick, add a little more
	milk.  Serve steak and gravy with mashed potatoes or fried potatoes.
	and biscuits - angel biscuits to be authentic.
1527.6addendumTYGON::WILDEwhy am I not yet a dragon?Wed Sep 18 1991 17:218
re: .1

you can make the gravy in the same pan as you cook the steaks, but Dot used
so much bacon grease to cook the meat that she always made her gravy in
another pan...I used less grease while cooking and add more if the meat starts
sticking or something...then I stir up the browned bits and make my gravy.
It's up to you....but I know this recipe is authentic, everything Dot makes
is.
1527.7Southern VersionSAHQ::WILLARDREMEMBER THE PRIME DIRECTIVESun Sep 22 1991 23:3315
    OK, I've been in Atlanta for about 5 years, this is as close as I've
    come:
    
    Purchase cube steak.  Make a flour/salt/lots of pepper mixture.  Dip
    cube steaks into beaten egg, and coat well with flour mixture.
    
    Pre heat skillet and add 1 inch of oil.  When oil is hot immerse cube
    steaks and cook a few minutes and turn.  Do not overcook. 
    
    
    For the gravy, we prefer a brown gravy mix by McCormick, but true
    southerners prefer a white gravy, (basically just flour and milk with
    lots and lots of pepper).  Choose your preferance.
    
    						Cynthia
1527.8My Old Standby16BITS::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Mon Sep 23 1991 07:2525
.1 sounds delicious.

Here's my old standby. (I got "hooked" on chicken Fried steak when I lived
in LA in the late 60's.)

Buy thin cut round steak (no more that 1/2" thick) and trim off all the
fat. Cut into "cutlets" about serving sized (3" x 6" ?) and pound hell
out of 'em with a tenderizing hammer. In a plastic bag, put some flour
and freshly ground pepper. In a second plastic bag, seasoned bread crumbs
(like Progresso Italian), about 1/4 of the amount of cornmeal, salt and
more freshly ground pepper. Prepare an egg wash in a bowl - an egg or
two and a few TB of water, well mixed. Heat about 1/2" to 3/4" of vegetable
oil in a spider to 350 or so (medium?).

Now, take the cutlets and shake 'em one at a time in the bag with the flour,
then dip 'em in the egg wash, and then shake 'em in the bread crumbs.
Fry on each side till golden brown and drain on paper towels. Keep warm
while making the gravy.

For the gravy, pour off all the oil left in the frying pan, leaving the
little bits of browned breading. To the hot pan add about two cups of
heavy cream and over medium heat stir constantly till the country gravy
thickens.

-Jack
1527.9another versionEMDS::KENNEDYMon Sep 23 1991 13:394
    I've been using a recipe from Redbbok, cubed steak floured then dipped
    in buttermilk and then dipped in crushed saltines.  Cook 5 min each
    side, and remove from pan, using same skillet heat up can of cream of
    mushroom soup, pour over steak and serve.  
1527.10Version from BlightyCHEFS::MCDONALDAShockwave Rider comfortably numbTue Aug 22 1995 10:12152
    I've been trying for a few years now to crack the Chicken Fried steak
    dish. It was only after reading this note string did I find the crucial
    step: putting the egged, floured steaks into the fridge for 1/2 an
    hour. I've experimented a bit with the recipe, and have come up with a
    version that has won praise from three Texans who have sampled the
    delights of the Black Eye Pea, down by NASA 1, I believe. The following
    notes are intended for Brits who may try this recipe, but some of the
    seasoning ideas and wash may go down a storm States side.
    
    Firstly, the meat.
    
    I've tried this with: Rump, Top rump, Silverside and Brisket. Rump can
    be a little thick and large for this recipe. If its more than 3/8"
    (9mm) thick then it would benefit from thinning down with a tenderising
    mallet. You also do not want the steak too large, Rump steaks can be a
    foot (30cm) or so across. You want to aim for a piece about 8"x4"
    (20cmx10cm) or 8"x6" (20cmx15cm) and between 6-8ozs (150-200gms);
    however, your skill and milage may vary.
       For Top rump, Silverside, Topside(?), and Brisket I tend to buy
    joints (when they're on sale) and slice off 1/2" (12mm) thick pieces. I
    then attack a slice with a tenderising mallet until its about 1/4"-3/8"
    (6-9mm) thick. Note: I would only use Brisket in an emergency; its got
    rather alot of chewy, tough bits in it.
    
    Secondly, the wash.
    
       I noticed, that when I fried the steak that the crispiest batter
    occured around fat. I also noticed this was true for things like
    floured roast chicken. So my egg wash proportions now consists of the  
    following
    
    1 size 2 egg
    1 Tbls Olive Oil
    1 Tbls water
    1/2-1 tsp salt
    
    To this, depending on my mood, I may add Cream of Tartar, Jalapeno pepper,
    loads of fresh ground black pepper, paprika, etc. The Cream of Tartar
    is mean't to help make the batter crispy, but it mainly gives the
    batter a lovely sour taste.
    
    
    Thirdly, the flour and seasonings
    
    The US recipes call for flour, which is normally Plain flour. However,
    US plain flour is very much lighter and finer than UK plain flour. If
    you use UK plain flour, then you'll invariably end up with a heavy
    coating that is not terribly crispy. The worst offenders, I find, is
    the cheapo, 'basics' store brand. Plain flour from the likes of
    Homepride tend to be lighter. Your mileage may vary. The work around to
    this problem is to use Self Raising flour. I put the flour into a
    large, flat casserole dish.
    
    The basic seasonings seem to be salt and loadsa freshly ground black
    pepper. I add (to taste) Garlic powder (note, not Garlic salt), good
    Hungarian Paprika, Celery salt, Thyme and Jalapeno pepper. The Jalapeno
    pepper (aka ground, dried Jalapenos) gives a real zing to this dish.
    
    
    Fourthly, the coating.
    
    I put a fair amount of salt into the flour, but not vast quantities.
    Consequently I find the resulting meat very bland. So now adays, I salt
    the beef, on both sides, before coating with flour. However, beware, it
    is very easy to over salt the beef, the flour coating appears to seal
    in all the salt. This is made worse if you have salted the egg wash.
    
    To coat the beef, I use one hand to pick up the beef and dunk into the
    egg wash; getting every nook and cranny coated. Using the same hand, I
    lift the meat from the wash (allowing excess to drain off) and place
    into the flour. Then use the other hand to scoop flour on to the top of
    the meat and pack down. Turn over the meat, with the non-egged hand and
    repeat packing flour, then lift and place on to a plate. If you use
    both hands to egg and flour the meat, your fingers rapidly get
    encrusted with flour and egg, necessitating numerous cleanings in the
    sink.
    
    Repeat for remaining pieces, and place them into the fridge for 1/2 and
    hour. You can leave them in for longer, but the longer you do I find
    the coating gets very soggy and doesn't help the final outcome.
    
    RESERVE THE FLOUR. DO NOT THROW IT AWAY.
    
    
    Fifthly, the frying.
    
    If possible, get a large, cast iron skillet. Pour in oil to a depth of
    about 1/4"-3/8" (6-9mm), try for the larger septh if possible. Also,
    try to ensure the oil is fresh or has only been used once before. Heat
    that oil. You have to get it hot; Hot like in chinese cooking.
    
    While the oil is heating. Take the meat from the fridge. Arrange your
    worktop thus: Meat -> Flour -> skillet -> plate to take steaks. 
    Take out sufficient pieces to fit into skillet, and put back into the  
    flour for a top up coating.  Pack that flour into all the nooks and    
    crannies. Pick up a piece and shake off excess flour and place into the 
    hot oil; repeat if you have more than one to go into skillet. Note:
    Make sure you have a couple of forks handy. I have taken to using
    forks to pick up the floured pieces and placing into the skillet. Even
    if you use your hands, you may find the thin, but large, pieces of meat 
    curling up underneath themself. You need the forks to straighten them out.
    
    DO NOT TURN THE HEAT DOWN. You need a fairly fierce flame. Not so hot
    that the steaks get blackened in a minute or oil splatters all over the
    kitchen, but not so weak that the oil cools down.
    
    While the first batch is frying, reflour the second batch. In any case,
    fry the steaks on one side for a couple of minutes, then flip them
    over. If the steaks bubble or curl up, push them down with a fork.
    You'll get a sludgy mess if you dont. Keep flipping every couple of
    minutes and fry until brown. Chicken fried steak tends to be reasonably
    well done. Remove steaks and drain, either on kitchen towels or on the
    grill rack. Sometimes I prop them up, vertically, with a fork.
    
    You now have to wait for a couple of minutes for the oil to heat up
    again. Now's a fairly good time to check out that first batch for
    taste, crispyness, etc; fighting off those ravening fiends you call
    family in the process. When the oil temperature is up, repeat for
    second batch.
    
    I have found that you cannot really do more than three batches this
    way. Invariably, flour will fall off the steaks, and will get browned
    then burnt in the oil. The resulting sludge at the bottom of the
    skillet also affects the ability of the oil to heat. More than three
    batches, and you may find your steaks becoming less crispy. I use two
    or more skillets for large, party sized, quantities.
    
    
    Sixthly, The white sauce. 
    
    Turn off heat. Drain oil from skillet. Check the amount of sludge in
    the bottom of the skillet. You want to be left with about 1 tablespoon
    or so of the stuff. Dispose of excess.
    Now, you didn't throw away your seasoned flour? I hope not, 'cause your
    going to need a tablespoon. Add a tablespoon or so to the skillet. The
    flour should start cooking, without any heat, 'cause the skillet will
    be very, very hot. Mix browned flour and fresh seasoned flour, and
    allow to cook for about a minute. Note, all the flour must be coated
    with oil; that's the secret of roux. If the mixture looks dry, add more
    oil. After a minute or so, add about a pint (500ml) or so of milk, turn
    the heat up, and stir, and stir, and stir.
      The sauce should start boiling, then thickening. Cook it for a couple
    of minutes then: Check the consitency. If too thick, add more milk. If
    too thin, add disolved cornstarch or flour. Now check the flavour. It
    most likely will need salt, maybe pepper. Other useful herbs to add
    are: Garlic pepper, chives, chervil, parsley, etc.
    
    SEVENTH HEAVEN.
    
    Serve with rice, sweet corn, brocolli, barbequed beans, etc.
    
    Angus