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| 1959.1 | Same side of the boat | ROKKON::mko-ras-port-3.mko.dec.com::Cohen | | Sat Apr 26 1997 09:07 | 24 |
| Everyone made reasonable calls. Let me offer the following list in
order of most questionable to least.
1. 3S - Thin for game forcing at MPs. Also, a point easily missed,
with bad spades and the HQ, the choice between 3N, 4H, and 4S will
not be easy.
2. 3S - normally raise is in order with Hx of spades. On the other
hand if partner has KQxxxx of spades and a minor A...
3. 3H - Minimum point count, bad texture in hearts and minor kings
make game unlikely if partner can't bid over 2H.
4. P - Bad spades make 3N unlikely, on the other hand if partner has
AKJxxx of Hearts and the minor A's...
Unfortunately both plays choose to be optimist (3H,3S) and pick the
wrong game (3N,P) on the same hand. Two folk on the same side of the
boat caused it to tip.
With North making the 1st and 4th most questionable call and South
the 2nd and 3rd, the allocation of "blame" is about 50-50.
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| 1959.2 | Was 3S forcing? | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Mon Apr 28 1997 11:15 | 15 |
| The question I have is: Is 3S a game force? Why couldn't it show a weak
hand with no hearts, e.g. J9xxxx-void-Axx-Qxxx, or
J9xxxxx-void-Axx-Qxx? If 3S were non-forcing, I believe that is where
the hand should have been played. If it were forcing, I'd raise to 4
with the known 8 card fit. Bidding NT and trying to protect the minor
kings is likely to be a poor strategy, given the absence of a running
suit.
> 4S cam make against sloppy defense.
Given the lie of the cards doesn't 4S make against any defense except a
Spade lead from Qxx? As long as North takes the H finesse and manages
to trump a club in dummy, which he can without the S lead, 4S will
make.
Shekhar
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| 1959.3 | Prefer 4S to 3NT, 3H to 2H, barely. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Mon Apr 28 1997 11:31 | 8 |
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I don't like that 3NT bid. Raise to 4S, despite putting the
kings on the table. 3H was aggressive, and I'd only try 2H in
standard (in big club, though, 3H is right). I agree with 3S,
and with the final pass. I expect 3NT is a singleton spade, or
possibly a void.
bb
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| 1959.4 | Does 3S = six card suit? | STAR::STILES | When in doubt, hack. | Mon Apr 28 1997 16:35 | 9 |
| The most important question that I'd like to have answered
on this hand is whether the 3S bid shows six spades or only
five.
I thought it showed 6. Dave thinks it can just be 5.
What do you all think?
- Mark
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| 1959.5 | Self critique | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Mon Apr 28 1997 17:56 | 19 |
| According to Root's Commonsense Bidding, 3S is forcing, but it
doesn't say if it promises 5+ or 6+ spades.
What should responder do with KQxxx-x-xxx-Axxx? He doesn't have
both minors stopped, so wants to suggest either 3N or 4S. Opener
should be free to raise on Ax (Which I should have done), but not xx.
I think the worst bids, are
3H - Definitely the low end of the spectrum.
3S - Low-end as well since it's forcing.
3N - I should have raised 3S to 4S, willing to play in the
5-2 fit with my doubleton Ax. Partner has denied any
semblance of heart support, so 3N isn't bloody likely.
Pass - 3N can't be right. Spades will never set up, and the
opps are going to be able to set up a minor and take
some spade tricks.
3N and Pass are about equivalent, as are 3H and 3S. 50/50 blame
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| 1959.6 | 3S should promise 6 | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Tue Apr 29 1997 11:03 | 14 |
| re. 4 and 5:
I play that 3S in this auction shows 6. If I have KQxxx-x-xxx-Axxx,
then I am giving up on a known 7 card fit to find at best an 8 card
fit. The chances of that happening are probably less than 1 in 3
because I'm betting that three of the remaining 7 cards in partner's
hand are in my suit. Holding KQxxx-x-xxx-Axxx, I'll probably pass,
accepting the possibility of an average minus instead of risking a
bottom.
Incidentally, the 3S bid guarantees a singleton or void in Hearts,
because partner would've supported with two. Hence, even if you think
that 3S indicated 5, it makes sense to play in a Spade contract.
Shekhar
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| 1959.7 | huh ? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Tue Apr 29 1997 11:31 | 7 |
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How can you take out 3NT with Jxxxxx Q Axx 10xx ?
What if partner has x AKJxxx Kxx Axx and you've tossed your
only game ?
bb
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| 1959.8 | Pass over 3N is right if 3S shows 6 | STAR::STILES | When in doubt, hack. | Tue Apr 29 1997 13:57 | 12 |
| I agree with Bill here: I can't see taking out 3N to 4S. My 3S
bid was agressive, true -- but the HQ should be a dynamite card.
When 3N comes back after 3S, I was convinced that we had 6 opposite
1 in both majors.
If partner has 2 (or amazingly 3) spades, 4S is right. Otherwise,
I thought that my spades were just a stopper: Hearts was going
to be the source of tricks, and 3N looks better than 4H.
The crux of the problem for me is still whether 3S shows 5 or 6.
- Mark
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| 1959.9 | 4S should be down 1, possibly 2 | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Wed Apr 30 1997 17:42 | 37 |
| > Given the lie of the cards doesn't 4S make against any defense except a
> Spade lead from Qxx? As long as North takes the H finesse and manages
> to trump a club in dummy...
He has to be in hand to lead HQ and to lead toward Cx. Entires
are tough. Let's say a low diamond lead from East:
Dx-Dx-D9-DA
HQ-HK-HA-Hx
HJ-Hx-Dx-Hx
DK-Dx-Dx-Dx
Dx-Dx-Sx-DJ
Cx-CA-Cx-Cx
Sx-SA-Sx-Sx
CK-Cx-Cx-Cx
Now declarer is in dummy with:
J9xx---x
K--Q-QJx Qx-T8--8
2-9762--
(Hand still reversed as in .0 - dummy at bottom)
I'm missing the location of the ST. I know we (NS) didn't have
it, so it comes down to whether East has SQT remaining. If so,
a low heart must be led from dummy. West ruffs with SK and leads
the last diamond. East may get two more trump tricks. Even if
West had S-KT, the defense can still prevail when East ruffs with
the SQ and leads his remaining trump. Declarer still has a club
to lose.
If East has *both* S-QT, then 4S is down 2 when East ruffs the
diamond and leads his remaining (high) trump. He then exits with
a high heart, forcing dclarer to ruff and still lose another club.
-Dave
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| 1959.10 | 4S makes on a non-spade lead | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Thu May 01 1997 14:25 | 37 |
| Dave,
Here is the line I had in mind:
1. Looking at 6H in dummy and 4 in my hand, I did not consider covering
HQ, reasoning that if declarer has a singleton, I've lost nothing and
if partner has a singleton, he might ruff declarer's second attempt
at a finesse. Obviously, if East does not cover, you are able to
play from hand one extra time and you can get your C ruff.
2. If East covers, I suppose you'll have to change your plans:
Dx-Dx-D9-DA
HQ-HK-HA-Hx
H2-Hx-Sx-Hx
SA-Sx-Sx-Sx
Sx-SK-Sx-Sx
At this point, the hands are:
J9x-void-xx-Txx
void-void-Q9x-QJxxx Q-T8-Jx-A8x
void-J976-KT-K9
No matter what West returns, North can not be stopped. If West
returns a D, North wins in dummy, plays HJ throwing a D, ruffs
a H removing West's last H and leads a club. Whether West wins
or not, North gets a club discard on his 5th heart
If West returns a club, again North will enter dummy, throw a D
on HJ, ruff the 4th H and enter dummy to get a club discard on
the 5th heart.
On the surface it looks like this line will also work on a Spade
lead, but it doesn't because now East can defeat the contract by
not covering the HQ.
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| 1959.11 | Varying defense and offense | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Fri May 02 1997 15:06 | 12 |
| Very good - I forgot to switch declarer lines once East covers HQ.
> On the surface it looks like this line will also work on a Spade
> lead, but it doesn't because now East can defeat the contract by
> not covering the HQ.
Right. East's play has to be based on what line declarer takes.
If declarer goes for the club ruff, he has to cover. On the
spade lead, he's forced declarer into setting up the hearts,
and has to force declarer into using a precious entry to do so.
-Dave
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