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| 1952.1 | Can't find a real legtimate auction, though 3rd one comes close | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Wed Mar 26 1997 10:52 | 37 |
| A little contrived, maybe, but how about:
1D-[2S]-X-3D-3S-3N-4D-4H-5C-5N-7D
Where:
3S is an advanced cue in support of diamonds
3N thought it was a stopper ask
4D clarifies the bid
4H, 5C cuebids
5N GSF
On the expectation of either 4 clubs or KQ, (2 clubs can be
pitched from dummy on S-AK) This would still take three ruffs,
so it's not as certain as knowing CQ or DJ.
You might stumble into it by accident with:
1D-[2S]-X-3C-3S-3N-4D-4H-4S-4N-5D(3)-7D
Where:
3C lies about hand as 5-4
3S Advanced cue
3N showing the stopper
4D Taking it out (Unclear if natural or cuebid for clubs)
4H cuebid
4N (Expecting HA was cue'd)
5D (0 or 3) - Partner thinks it's HA/DA/CA and RHO has SA
7D
A litter nicer would be ...4H-4S-5D-5S-5N-7C/7D
Where 5D is a cuebid thinking clubs were trump. With both minor
KQ's, partner can pick a minor slam after GSF.
-Dave
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| 1952.2 | tough rebid !! | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Wed Mar 26 1997 11:08 | 6 |
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The rebid over 2Sx is strange. Only 14 points, but all 4 1st-round
controls, 4 quicks, and a long suit. You desperately want to do more
than 3D, but your alternatives are dicey, and the degree of fit is unknown.
bb
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| 1952.3 | 3NT is my limit | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Wed Mar 26 1997 11:08 | 10 |
| As a bridge teacher I know has often said to me - any collection of 21
to 40 HCP might make a slam - but if you're on the lower end of the
scale, one partner has to make a gross overbid.
In this case with 27 points in the combined hands and no readily
obvious fit my limit would probably be 3NT. Assuming I was going to
overbid, I like Dave's sequence until he says 5C. Maybe someone
versed in exclusion Blackwood can do better?
Shekhar
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| 1952.4 | Negative double???!!!! | STAR::STILES | When in doubt, hack. | Wed Mar 26 1997 11:28 | 10 |
| Geez, I've been burned before by making a negative double
with that kind of hand. I don't see why the auction shouldn't
first continue with a 3H bid over the 2S interference.
Last thing I want partner to do is pass 2SX !!
_Now_ figure out how to find a slam...
- Mark
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| 1952.5 | 6D fluent, 7D absurd to bid | BULMER::KABLESHKOV | | Wed Mar 26 1997 11:53 | 3 |
| In your pard seat I'd cue 3S/2S (prepared for a tentative 4H/3N-by-you).
Your natural IMPs bid is 5D (as you have holes in both minors) which
pard should raise to 6D based on his D-hons.
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| 1952.6 | Is a negative double wise with partner's hand? | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Wed Mar 26 1997 15:54 | 22 |
| >Last thing I want partner to do is pass 2SX !!
I didn't think about that - I was answering how to get to 6/7 after
the given start of the auction.
Let's see, holding AKxx--ATxxxx-Axx, and partner made a negative
double showing 4 hearts. If partner has a minor King, we may be
able to get 2S, 2H-ruffs, 2mA, and 1mK for 500. If partner has HA
or can get a diamond ruff, we may be able to get 800.
Now. Partner doesn't have a 5-card suit and enough points for a
free bid, so slam is unlikely. Passing 2SX is certainly an option!
Partner is likely to have more than 4 hearts, but not enough points
to bid them since RHO didn't preempt in hearts and LHO has preempted
in spades. Now slam is certainly out of the question, and I have
to choose between 500/800 and 3N for 600. Since this is IMPs, I'll
take the chance for +200 vs -100 and Pass.
What! Partner had enough to bid 3C or 3H directly over 2S and we
missed our slam?!?!?!?!? Aaaaaaaaaaaargh.
-Dave
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| 1952.7 | Need a leap of faith, or exclusion keycard in hearts | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Wed Mar 26 1997 16:11 | 24 |
| >I like Dave's sequence until he says 5C.
Including or excluding the 5C bid? (English semantics are soooo
confusing - up to, up through, this Friday, next Friday). I presume
it's the leap of faith over 5C to GSF that's causing the problem.
So how about 1D-[2S]-X-3D-3S-3N-4D-4H-5C-6D-[7D]
Maybe you can convince yourself to bid 7D over 6D since you have
more than you should for the negative double. You don't know
about the minor aces, but partner is bidding on *something*.
I think we should be happy to get to any slam in a team game.
-Dave
PS CZ is the Exclusion keycard expert, maybe he'll enlighten us if
it's possible to use keycard for diamonds excluding hearts with
the start of the auction.
PPS I'm also surpised spades didn't get raised by RHO. I guess he's
sitting on 5 pretty decent hearts and was waiting to punish 4H.
PPPS Can you make 3N on this hand? Heart lead(s) may be a problem.
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| 1952.8 | At the table | OGOPW1::shr160-234.shr.dec.com::cohen | | Wed Mar 26 1997 17:48 | 15 |
| The two auctions at the table were:
DEC A: (P),1D,(2S),2N,3S,4D,5D,6D
DEC B: (P),1D,(2S),3D,3S,3N
Names omitted to protect the guilty.
Having listened to all the comments, I don't much like any of the bidding at the table (and I
was one of the guilty parties).
Dave, after the 4D call, in your auction-(P),1D,(2S),3D,3S,3N,4D why are you 100% sure the 4H
is a cue bid. Might it not just be a choice of game? How would you bid QJx, KQx, ATxxxx, x?
I certainly wouldn't risk a 4H cue bid on a void when partner "bid" that suit unless I had
good agreements in place.
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| 1952.9 | 4D has to agree trump. | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Thu Mar 27 1997 11:23 | 20 |
| >Dave, after the 4D call, in your auction-(P),1D,(2S),3D,3S,3N,4D why are you
>100% sure the 4H
>is a cue bid. Might it not just be a choice of game? How would you bid QJx,
>KQx, ATxxxx, x?
Because of the advanced cuebid. Partner had a very good reason to
take us out of 3N. So as far as I'm concerned, 4D sets trump. I
could have offered the 4-3 heart fit over the neg X if I had been
interested.
Change the 4H cuebid to 4S, then, and you should still get to 6D.
Without a negative double, I like:
[P]-1D-[2S]-3C-3S-4H-6C
Where 3C is natural, 3S is forcing, 4H is choice, and 6C seems as
good as any, since there's no real way to explore for 7C. A 5-loser
hand with a heart void and S-AK opposite a forcing 3C bid ought to
have serious slam interests with such great controls.
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| 1952.10 | Voids not good for No Trump !!! | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Thu Mar 27 1997 14:56 | 12 |
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So DECB bid this way :
1D-2S-Dbl-P
3D-P-3S-P
3NT-P-P-P ?
Notice that on a bad day, 3NT might go down as 7C/7D makes.
I think they deserved to lose this hand.
bb
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| 1952.11 | (from Craig Zastera) | gemevn.zko.dec.com::FAIMAN | Wandrer, du M�der, du bist zu Haus | Thu Mar 27 1997 14:57 | 28 |
| re 1952:
>> Pard: S , H Jxxxx, D KQJ, C KQxxx
>> You: S AKxx, H , D ATxxxx, C Axx
>> RHO passes you open 1D and LHO bids 2S. At both tables partner makes
a negative double.
A negative double here is just plain WRONG! (IMHO). Seems to me,
anyway, that Negative Doubles 101 teaches that you don't make one with a
5 card suit and sufficient strength to bid it. So, a negative double
shows 4 (only) hearts or 5+ hearts with insufficient strength to bid 3H
(which is "game" forcing). Here, the responding hand is clearly good
enough for a game forcing 3 level suit bid. The interesting question is
whether responder should start with 3H or 3C. I would choose 3C
because:
(a) the club suit is so much better
(b) lower bid saves room
(c) with such weak hearts and likely having to absorb spade taps, I
don't really want to strive to reach a 5-3 heart fit.
In effect, I'm treating the hand as if it were, say, 1-4-3-5. On the
actual hand, 3C hits a home run, sort of, since it seems to me that
opener now has an obvious splinter raise which will result in at least
6C being reached (with chances of getting to 6D or even a grand). BTW,
I think 4H by opener probably should be a heart splinter rather than
Exclusion. It's appealing to say that 4H and 4S are Exclusion, but then
(since 4D is obviously Kickback), that would leave only 4N which could
be used as a "blind" splinter I suppose by gonzo Exclusion hounds
playing with equally demented partners.
Craig
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| 1952.12 | Dictionary definitions | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Thu Mar 27 1997 18:39 | 22 |
| re. .7
un-til prep. 1. Up to the time of: danced until dawn
2. Before a specified time: You can't have the car u.tomorrow
conj. 1. Up to the time that: We played u. it was dark
2. Before: You can't leave u. your work is finished
I guess I used it as a preposition. My initial objection was about
showing the Club K but I recognize that some people (including me)
play systems where aces and kings are shown equally. On closer
inspection, I like your 1st sequence best.
The point is, that responder, after having misdescribed the hand on his
first turn by making a -ve double decides that the 3D bid from partner
warrants a drive to slam. Why else should he take partner out of 3NT
and start cue bidding with an 11 point hand where 7 of his points are
in his short suits.
In matchpoints I wouldn't even dream of disturbing 3NT. In IMPs I might
depending on the state of the match.
Shekhar
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| 1952.13 | I guess 5C might be a little unclear | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Fri Mar 28 1997 13:11 | 9 |
| > ...My initial objection was about
> showing the Club K but I recognize that some people (including me)
> play systems where aces and kings are shown equally.
But spades were cue'd first via the advanced cuebid. Since I
have already cue'd spades, this is my second chance to cue, so
I think it could be either A or K at this point.
-Dave
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