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Name | Date | Lines |
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| 1951.1 | I'm going to pass. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Mon Mar 24 1997 12:41 | 14 |
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I can only afford one bid if I make one, so if I bid at all, it is 2H
and forget the spades.
But why do this ? If opener has the missing points, you've directed
the wrong lead. If partner has the missing points, he still gets
another chance, and you avoid what could be a hopeless game by passing.
And remember, it is possible partner will double, in which case you
can get spades in, a nice development, as opposite 3-5 or 3-6 in the
majors, spades would play a trick better. although of course it will
play worse opposite less than 3 spades.
bb
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| 1951.2 | I couldn't see a game here. | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Mon Mar 24 1997 13:52 | 5 |
| > If partner has the missing points, he still gets another chance,
> and you avoid what could be a hopeless game by passing.
Please explain. If one assigns 12-13 pts. to opener, and at least 6-8
points with responder, game is a long shot at best, is it not?
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| 1951.3 | They are likely to have at least one 8-card minor fit | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Mon Mar 24 1997 14:22 | 17 |
| The only two options are Pass and 2H. We've lost the spades, if
we had them at all. The only way we could possible get them back
is if I pass, and partner can re-open with a double on 3-5-2-3 or
3-5-1-4 shape.
I don't think this is going to happen, so I guess I'll bid 2H. I
hope partner doesn't get too excited, although he should figure
out that I can't possibly have much for my bid. I *do* like what
I have for him, though. I reject any game tries, unless partner
comes up with a long suit game try in spades!
This might even be a double-double fit case, where we have both
majors and they have both minors. They certainly have an 8-card
fit in one of the minors, so I'd better tell partner about our
heart fit so he knows how high to compete.
-Dave
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| 1951.4 | here ir is, yes, but does partner know that ? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Mon Mar 24 1997 14:24 | 11 |
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Right, from my hand, game cannot be missed by my passing here. I'm
worried that partner, with, say J9x AKQxxx Ax Qx, or some such, might
bid a very bad game here after a 2H raise. Passing here avoids this,
and competing later (after partner bids 2H and they bid 3D, you will
go 3H) will be recognized by him as very weak.
Oddly, the raise would appeal more if THEY were vul, because saving over
3NT could be right then. But with neither vul, I'd rather not even look.
bb
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| 1951.5 | I think partner SHOULD know there's no game | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Mon Mar 24 1997 17:05 | 14 |
| > Right, from my hand, game cannot be missed by my passing here
Regardless of whether South competes or not, I would submit that
both partners should be able to figure out that game is not on,
no matter how good North's hand is. With the proposed hand:
J9x AKQxxx Ax Qx
North is looking at 6 losers. Even if you give South 3 or 4 hearts, and
a Black suit ace and a Black suit king, which is the most North could
expect from South under the circumstances, it is unlikely that South
will provide enough ruffing values to deliver game.
Shekhar
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| 1951.6 | 2H, just | BULMER::KABLESHKOV | | Tue Mar 25 1997 06:32 | 1 |
| In MP, in said vul I *just* can afford 2H, and then keep my peace.
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| 1951.7 | make hearts J10x, I'd agree with 2H... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Tue Mar 25 1997 10:45 | 15 |
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it's close to a 2H bid, as SK says.
If, opposite, I had Qx Axxxx x AKQJx, I'd bid 4H over 2, and need a
lot of luck to make it.
I don't think that the mere fact the opponents have opened and raised
diamonds precludes a game. I bid and make games all the time against
such bidding. More so nowadays.
I just don't like (a)suggesting a heart lead, (b)overstating my offense,
and (c)missing spades. The pass has advantages. Matchpoints is all
about probabilities, and I'm guessing the pass will gain more often.
bb
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| 1951.8 | The full hand | SUBSYS::SENGUPTA | Shekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785 | Wed Mar 26 1997 11:25 | 46 |
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The full layout:
S K
H KQxxx
D J9x
C KQxx
S Qxx S Jxx
H AJx H xx
D Axx D KQTxx
C T9xx C AJx
S AT9xxx
H T9x
D xx
C xx
S W N E
P 1D(1) 1H 2D (1) Precision bid, showing less than 16,
? can be short in Diamonds
At the table I bid 2S, reasoning that without 2 Spades in
partner's hand we weren't going to make anything. With
2 in his hand my low Spades would be useful in a Spade
contract, while his (presumed) high hearts would win tricks
in either contract, especially since he was to the left of
the opening bidder.
This confused the defense, who did not place me with three
hearts, missed an opportunity for a heart ruff and let me make
my contract. On the down side was the fact that my action earned
partner's disapproval, because he felt much the same as most of
you and would have liked me to show the heart fit. As of this
writing, however, he is thinking about forgiving me.
The play: (- shows tricks won by the opposing side)
-DA, -DK, D ruff, -HA, SK, -CK covered by CA, *Heart to K,
CQ, C ruff, SA, -S crashing SQ and SJ, claiming the rest.
* missing the chance for an uppercut in D
Your views?
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