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Conference turris::bridge

Title:The Game of Bridge
Moderator:COLLIS::JACKSON
Created:Thu Oct 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1969
Total number of notes:14668

1950.0. "overbid ?" by GAAS::BRAUCHER (And nothing else matters) Mon Mar 24 1997 11:40

    I thought this thin 2NT interesting Saturday (3/22/97)

            S-QJ43              Matchponts, Cranston RI sectional
            H-QJ72              None vul
            D-6                 East deals
   S-       C-A852  S-
   H-               H-        E       S       N        W
   D-               D-     -----------------------------------
   C-       S-A82   C-        1D      P       P        Double
            H-643             P       2NT     P        P  
            D-AJ53            P
            C-K103       D10,D6,DQ...plan the play

  bb
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1950.1Thin, indeedBULMER::KABLESHKOVMon Mar 24 1997 11:483
    S-W swapped? Yes, it's thin. Win and play Sx from hand, hoping
    to make 3-s, 3-c, and 2-d. If they attack H, you may get a red
    trick there instead of D.
1950.2You need luck to do thisSUBSYS::SENGUPTAShekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785Mon Mar 24 1997 12:2519
    Looks like a hand where you need to be lucky as well as good! Let's
    examine the conditions under which you can make:
    
    (1) D have to be 4-4. Otherwise they win 3D, 2H and whichever black
        suit you're trying to set up.
    (2) Spades have to be 3-3 or LHO has to have SK.
        (a) If LHO has SK, I'll go for 3 club tricks, because RHO will
            have both H honors. This means that I'll win the return
            (presumably D) and try to duck a club to RHO. Of course
            LHO can make life difficult for me if he has the CQ or CJ
            and can manage to lead H twice through dummy, but I'll
            cross that bridge, when I come to it.
        (b) If RHO has SK, I'm going to assign one H honor to LHO and go
            for 1H, 3S (assuming they split), 2C, 2D. Hopefully, my club
    	    spots will guard against their taking a club trick to go
    	    with 2D, 2H and 1S.
    
    So, I'll win the second round of D and lead a Spade towards the board.
    If this wins, I'll play SA and S, hoping LHO does not lead a H.         
1950.3Go for spades first. Let opps do the restDAVIDB::DMILLERThis bug fix broke what???????Mon Mar 24 1997 13:1412
	I assume "N" and "W" were switched on the bidding.

	Win trick one and lead low spade.  You get 3 spades whenever LHO
	has SK or spades are 3-3.  I'm hoping for 3S, 2D, 2C + one more
	rounded suit winner depending on which one the opps attack.

	-Dave

	I had a strange thought to attack my weakest suit first, hearts.
	Hoping to confuse the opps and let them attack my suits for me.
	It might also have the side benefit of knocking out RHO's entries
	so that LHO finesses himself or partner if he ever gets on lead.
1950.4ok, ok, you all got trick 2 right.GAAS::BRAUCHERAnd nothing else mattersMon Mar 24 1997 14:1510
  Well, OK, everybody leads a spade up.  Good - it goes S2-S6-SJ-S5.
 This is not the Olympiad, so we can guess the SK is probably with LHO.

  Now stop for a second and think about the eighth trick (or their sixth).
 If you clear spades, they will surely clear diamonds, which you are hoping
 are 4-4.  But if you cross to CA to cash SQ, you will not have time for a
 club.  A red suit exit also seems doubtful.  Alternatively, after SJ
 holds, you could come off a club, intending to hook C10.  Which is more
 attractive ?
1950.5Hope for 4-4 diamonds and 3-3 spadesDAVIDB::DMILLERThis bug fix broke what???????Mon Mar 24 1997 14:3312
	LHO can't have much more for his Pass once he has SK.  At most
	one of CQJ.  If he does, he also is likely to have 4 diamonds and
	didn't even want to squeeze out a bid since he prefers diamonds.

	I think I'll cash SA and lead towards SQ.  I don't think LHO has
	Kxxx, unless he has no other values.  They'll probably clear the
	diamonds at that point, and I may be able to get them to win the
	last diamond, and be forced to break a round suit for me.

	Is it too much to hope for 3343 in both EW?

	-Dave
1950.6Objection, your honorSUBSYS::SENGUPTAShekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785Mon Mar 24 1997 16:5417
    > If you clear spades, they will surely clear diamonds, which you are
    > hoping are 4-4.
    
    Er, having established that a 5-3 D break is going to set me,
    I've got to assume that D will be 4-4. So why do I care about their
    clearing D? What I have to be concerned about after LHO shows up with
    the SK is two heart leads through dummy's holding. This is why I DON'T
    want to duck a club to LHO.
    
    No wait ... I think I can even prevail if LHO has 5 diamonds. This is
    another reason why I want to force out SK and let LHO in and clear
    D, assuming I won't let him in again.
    
    Having ducked a diamond, and won the second I played low to the SJ.
    Now lead to SA, then a low spade. LHO leading a D can do no harm. I
    will try to put RHO on lead either with a club or by letting him hold
    the 3rd D. Whether he leads clubs or hearts, it has to be good for me.
1950.7awful discards from dummy ?GAAS::BRAUCHERAnd nothing else mattersTue Mar 25 1997 10:5112
  Well, after 3 rounds spades, two rounds diamonds, dummy has to make
 two discards, presumably, a heart and a club (although 2 clubs is
 possible).  If you then exit a 4th diamond to LHO's D9 with diamonds
 4-4, you squeeze a second club from dummy, and in the both opps 3343
 case (Kxx xxx 109xx Jxx opposite xxx AK10 KQxx Qxx), you're down 1,
 I think.  Not that a club off after the SJ does much better.  I think
 that's also down 1.

  This is not a great contract.

  bb
1950.8In real life, I dunno if it could be made. went down 1.GAAS::BRAUCHERAnd nothing else mattersTue Mar 25 1997 12:0412
            S-QJ43              Matchponts, Cranston RI sectional
            H-QJ72              None vul
            D-6                 East deals
   S-K10976 C-A852  S-5
   H-105            H-AK98
   D-10942          D-KQ87
   C-76     S-A82   C-QJ94    E       S       W        N
            H-643          -----------------------------------  
            D-AJ53            1D      P       P        Double
            C-K103            P       2NT     P        P

1950.9A possible but unlikely lineSUBSYS::SENGUPTAShekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785Tue Mar 25 1997 14:1820
    It certainly needs a lot of assumptions but this is a possible line
    of reasoning
    
    1: DQ
    2: DJ (throwing a club - this is a VERY unlikely play based on my 
           going for 2 not 3 club tricks. Throwing a H doesn't work)
    3: SJ 
    4: SA (when E discards I mark him with a 1-4-4-4 distribution and
           give up on spades)
    5: DA (pitching a spade and hoping E does not unblock DK)
    6: D (throwing dummy's last spade) and putting E on lead
    7: E cannot lead a club without giving up 3 C tricks, so his best
       bet is to cash HA, then play a low heart. Now I'll put
       East on lead with another H. The most they win are 3H and 2D.
    
    I bet I wouldn't play like this at the table but that is what post
    mortems are for :-)
    
    Shekhar