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| 1941.1 | | MOIRA::FAIMAN | Wandrer, du M�der, du bist zu Haus | Wed Mar 05 1997 10:40 | 8 |
| > first half, when this slam by AF/AK went down (unbid by Mitre) :
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> S-KQx H-xxx D-Qxxx C-Kxx
> S-AJxx H-AQx D-AK10 C-AJx
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> How would you play it after a spade lead (no opposing bids) ?
What was the contract? (Looks like it could be spades, diamonds, or no trump.)
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| 1941.2 | without | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Wed Mar 05 1997 11:06 | 4 |
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6NT, I believe. I'll tell you this : if you play SA,SK, RHO pitches D.
bb
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| 1941.3 | Plan "C"? | CADSYS::GROSS | The bug stops here | Wed Mar 05 1997 11:36 | 19 |
| There's plan "A": take 3 finesses. 2 out of 3 finesses is a 50%
shot. You need 3 entries to dummy and you've got 'em.
There's plan "B": play diamonds from the top hoping for Jx or Jxx.
Then run your 8 spade and diamond winners and try to read the discards.
There may be a finesse or a strip and throw-in for the 12th trick.
There's plan "C": since RHO throws a diamond on the 2nd spade, assume
he's got 5. Cash AS, KS, AD, QS. If the guess concerning the diamond
split is correct RHO now has all the outstanding diamonds, therefore
finesse the 10D, cash KD, AS, KC, QD (pitch xH). If LHO has not pitched
a spade, try to read the discards to decide which finesse to take.
Otherwise, decide whether to take a finesse or try a throwin.
Too much guessing for me. I like hands where only one line of play
is possible. Plan "C" has a little logic going for it, so that's
what I would try.
Dave
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| 1941.4 | League Standing from Alan Kotok | MPGS::COHEN | Bob Cohen | Wed Mar 05 1997 12:05 | 17 |
| From: US6RMC::"[email protected]" "Alan Kotok" 5-MAR-1997 11:15
To: mpgs::cohen
CC:
Subj: Re: Results?
At 10:23 AM -0500 3/5/97, [email protected] wrote:
>Thanks,
>
>Do you happen to know our VP margin over them for the season/half?
Yes. Including this 2 VP loss, we are now 21 ahead of them. There are 2
more games in the season. I think we are scheduled to play DEC B in 2
weeks, and then another "position" night, but the rules forbid playing the
same team in 2 position nights in the same half. Thus, I would expect we
would play Liberty.
Alan
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| 1941.5 | Wish I had another entry to dummy | DAVIDB::DMILLER | This bug fix broke what??????? | Wed Mar 05 1997 15:16 | 35 |
| S-KQx H-xxx D-Qxxx C-Kxx opposite S-AJxx H-AQx D-AK10 C-AJx
I'm assuming 6N is the contract. You have 10 tricks and need
two more. Diamonds looks to be the best source for one of them,
and one of the other finesses has to work. Diamonds need either
the finesse, DJ[x], or the 3-3 split. I'd like to delay that
choice as long as possible, but I don't have enough entries to
ensure I can get back to the long diamond.
DQ is only an entry if I play for DJ to drop or 3-3 diamonds, so
let's say I have exactly three entries to dummy. I guess I can
hope for 2 out of 3 finesses to work. I bet the heart finesse
will lose, and it's the most dangerous one to take, so save it
for last.
Win SA, cash DK to see if DJ is stiff (Probably not). SQ, Dx
toward D-AT for the finesse. If this loses, a spade is likely
to be returned, taking away 2nd entry. Win SK, and take C-finesse.
Unblock DA, return to dummy win CK, cash DQ, and take heart finesse.
2 out of 3 finesess has a 50% shot, with the slight possibility
that all 3 will work and 13 tricks come home. Cashing the DK
before taking the finesse helps when either opp has stiff DJ,
or when RHO has DJx, so I guess I have a slightly better than
50% chance of making this.
With an extra dummy entry, I might be able to try the other
finesses first, leaving the diamond choice for later. Then
I could try and count the hand out a little more to determine
if the 3-3 split was going to occur, or if I had to take the
finesse.
I can't see how to increase my entries/chances any more than that.
-Dave
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| 1941.6 | Good problem-my try | MPGS::COHEN | Bob Cohen | Wed Mar 05 1997 15:29 | 52 |
| > S-KQx H-xxx D-Qxxx C-Kxx
> S-AJxx H-AQx D-AK10 C-AJx
> How would you play it after a spade lead (no opposing bids) ?
Can I improve over the slight better that 50% line of taking 3 hooks
(improvement because I can drop singleton DJ)?
Well, playing for the drop in diamonds is 3.6% better than taking the hook
taking that suit in isolation. But as more cards are "known" to be in LHO, the
hook becomes higher in probability. So we need to gather as much information as
possible before making the key decisions. The best way to do that would be SJ,
DA and SK.
When RHO shows out, the odds in the diamond suit change dramatically. It is now
9.4% better to take the hook rather than playing for the drop.
You now are down to reading the opponents. They are reasonable players. They
are good enough to realize that the only holding where a diamond discard may
make sense is from five. Certainly they would never discard one from 4 and from
3 or less they would always discard from their 5 cards suit.
Well, I'll if play for that.
1. take diamond hook, KD, QS, DQ pitching a heart.
You are now down to a 7 card ending:
S- H-xxx D- C-Kxx
S-J H-AQ D- C-AJx
Take the heart hook, win the major return and cash the other major, KC. If the
heart is isn't good, play the club and either finesse or play for the drop
depending on your card reading.
If somehow you've miss read the opponents diamond suit holding and the hook
loses, you still have the chance the both rounded hooks succeed.
BTW, if you are a "perfect" card reader, there is even a better line, once you
"correctly" guess to take the diamond hook. At point 1. above cash the QS! Then
take the diamond hook, KD, JS, KC, QD pitching a heart. Your are now down to a
4 card ending:
S- H-xx D- C-xx
S- H-AQ D- C-AJ
Double dummy you are cold. Either:
a. Take the hook for the card that is onside
b. If both are off, play the A in the suit that LHO stiffed their honor. If LHO
has reduced to doubletons in both suits, exit with the other card in that suit.
It makes a great story, but I am better at taking two finesses so would take
the line above.
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| 1941.7 | Cold if you can peek | MPGS::COHEN | Bob Cohen | Sun Mar 09 1997 07:32 | 39 |
| Just for fun.
(BTW did taking the percentage play of the diamond hook win in the real world?)
Double dummy (dd) this hand is always cold. Ergo partner will blame you.
In my previous note I show that if you can win 4 diamonds you can always make
dd. To summarize with lead in dummy, you will reach:
S- H-xx D- C-xx
S- H-AQ D- C-AJ
Either:
a. Take the hook for the card that is onside.
b. If both are off, play the A in the suit that LHO stiffed their honor. If LHO
has reduced to doubletons in both suits, exit A and another in either suit.
How about the case when LHO has 4+ diamonds?
If both rounded hooks are on take them.
If either the club or heart hook is on take it and run spades reaching either:
Dummy S- H-xx D-Qxxx C- S- H- D-Qxxx C-Kxx
You S- H-AQx D-AKT C- S- H-x D-AKT C-AJx
LHO S- H-Kx D-Jxxx C- S- H- D-Jxxx C-Qxx
In either case 4 rounds of diamonds end plays LHO
Finally, if both hooks are off, run 4 spades reaching:
Dummy S- H-xx D-Qxxx C-Kxx
You S- H-AQx D-AKT C-AJx
LHO S- H-Kx D-Jxxx C-Qxx
Now AH, xH gains an additional heart trick as well as end plays LHO!
Bridge is such as simple game ;-)
Pard all you had to do is ....
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| 1941.8 | yes, Bob - it's a guessing game... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | And nothing else matters | Mon Mar 10 1997 11:11 | 11 |
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In real life, opps were xxxxx KJ10 x xxxx opposite x xxxx Jxxxx Q10x,
I believe. So D does not drop, club works, heart and diamonds both do.
At the Alan's table, they played for the drop in D, down 1. Oddly,
at our table the declarer in 3 only made 5 even though taking the D
finesse. He used up the CK to run his tricks and then misguessed which
finesse to take coming off the board, trying the heart, and never got
back again for the club.
bb
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