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Title:The Game of Bridge
Moderator:COLLIS::JACKSON
Created:Thu Oct 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1969
Total number of notes:14668

1938.0. "It doesn't fit!" by MPGS::COHEN (Bob Cohen) Mon Mar 03 1997 13:14

3 bidding questions from last week's bridge league
IMPs

1. vul vs not
   Hand: S, H QJ9xx, D Kxxx, C Kxxx
   Auction: P, You pass, 1H, 1S
   	    P, ?

2. both
   Hand: S AJ7xxx, H, D AKJT9, C Jx
   Auction: (Partnership)
	    You open 1S, 2H (game forcing)
	    3D, 4C (could be 4th suit forcing)
	    4D, 4H
	    ?

3. nobody vul
   Hand: S K, H Kx, D AQxxx, C Qxxxx
   Auction: (Partnership)
	    You open 1D, 1S
	    2C, 2H (4th suit game forcing)
	    2N, 3S
	    ?
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1938.1Should've cut the deck better...STAR::STILESWhen in doubt, hack.Mon Mar 03 1997 13:4346
>1. vul vs not
>   Hand: S, H QJ9xx, D Kxxx, C Kxxx
>   Auction: P, You pass, 1H, 1S
>   	    P, ?

Tough call.  The only choices are pass and 1NT.
The IMPs angle makes it a little scary to pass,
since this may be our hand and 1S passed out may
be the worst contract...  However:

I pass.  Wait for the re-opening double which will
be passed, and then bid 1NT.  I hope pard figures
out to sit 1N or bid another suit if he has one.
I'm not bidding 1NT right away since partner may get
excited and there is no source of tricks or communication
on this hand.  I don't want to wind up in 3NT.
If it does get passed out, maybe pard has 6 spades...

>2. both
>   Hand: S AJ7xxx, H, D AKJT9, C Jx
>   Auction: (Partnership)
>	    You open 1S, 2H (game forcing)
>	    3D, 4C (could be 4th suit forcing)
>	    4D, 4H
>	    ?

Yecch.  This hand and bidding sequence has gone off the
charts.  I think partner has a legitimate H+C hand, he could
have bid 3H to show a big one suiter, assuming that 2H was
100% game force.  I think I'll bid 4S now, which shows
both another spade, no tolerance for hearts, and
preference for clubs if necessary.  Blah.

>3. nobody vul
>   Hand: S K, H Kx, D AQxxx, C Qxxxx
>   Auction: (Partnership)
>	    You open 1D, 1S
>	    2C, 2H (4th suit game forcing)
>	    2N, 3S
>	    ?

I bid 4S now.  I think I might have bid 3C instead of 2N
with this originally.  I don't have any extras nor reason to
get partner excited about the SK, so I don't see a 4D cue here.

					- Mark
1938.2Who shuffled the cards?DAVIDB::DMILLERThis bug fix broke what???????Mon Mar 03 1997 14:3113
1) Choice is between Pass and 1NT.  Partner may have a "big" hand if 3rd
seat opened light, but I don't think it can be big enough to make 3NT since
partner didn't double, and we don't have a source of tricks.  I think I'll
pass and hope the opponents come back into the auction.  1S passed out may
be our worst score, but I think I have to take that chance.

2) 4S.  I can't stand hearts.  Either 4S or 5m could be right, but not 4H.
Partner would have bid 3H with a one-suited heart hand if 2H was game forcing.

3) I'd have gone 3C over 2H to bid out my pattern.  Now I'm stuck raising
to 4S on my stiff SK.  Anything else sounds like a cuebid for spades, but
I don't have any trump and the lead isn't coming into my H-Kx.  Bail out now.
I don't think 3N has a prayer.
1938.3My shotCADSYS::GROSSThe bug stops hereMon Mar 03 1997 15:0612
Hand 1: No double, no trouble. Pass.

Hand 2: Pass. Partner isn't asking, he's telling!

Hand 3: 3NT. Partner forced to game and we don't have a fit
anywhere in sight. Maybe the two major-suit kings will produce 6 tricks
in the majors, 2 tricks (with luck) in diamonds, and a prayer for trick #9.

Dave

p.s. Bob: why not announce the result? It was a victory by a wide margin
for DEC-A.
1938.4pretty good 9 points, except for spade dearth...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Mar 03 1997 15:188
  On hand number 1, if your partner is JK, passing one spade could miss
 a slam !!!  I'd keep it open with 1NT, investing an extra undertrick if
 partner woodenly rebids his wretched spades.

  4S seems marked on the other 2 to me at this point as the likeliest game.

  bb
1938.5Well, sure...STAR::STILESWhen in doubt, hack.Mon Mar 03 1997 15:2311
re: <<< Note 1938.4 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "Champagne  Supernova" >>>

>  On hand number 1, if your partner is JK, passing one spade could miss
> a slam !!!  I'd keep it open with 1NT, investing an extra undertrick if
> partner woodenly rebids his wretched spades.

Yes, if my partner was JK, I'd bid 1NT.  Not only would I now be worried
about missing something, he wouldn't hang me for bidding it if he has less
than a stellar hand, either...

					- Mark
1938.61N, 4S, 4SBULMER::KABLESHKOVTue Mar 04 1997 10:041
    
1938.7Gotta bid it, yes, gotta bid it...STAR::STILESWhen in doubt, hack.Tue Mar 04 1997 13:3028
The more I think about it, the more I've decided that bidding
1NT right away is best on hand one, no matter what dreck partner
may have overcalled with:

1. It likely is improving the contract, or will definitely
improve it if partner now bids a minor.  We could be looking
at down several undoubled in spades, if there is a defensive
cross ruff.

2. I think we've got too much stuff to get doubled out in 1NT.
However, if a reopening double is passed out, then the spade
problem gets real obvious.

3. 1NT may have some interesting play possibilities anyway,
if LHO is constantly being end played.

4. My bidding 1NT keeps them from balancing with it!

5. And most importantly:
I found myself falling into an easy trap:  Don't worry so much
about what might go _wrong_ on a hand, worry about what might
go _right_.  If this is our hand, and partner has overcalled
with a moose, we're never going to get anywhere (and maybe not
even be given the chance) if I just sit complacently here.
Partner needs to know I've got something, although it isn't
what he may have hoped for...

					- Mark
1938.8The resultsMPGS::COHENBob CohenWed Mar 05 1997 18:0035
1. vul vs not
   Hand: S, H QJ9xx, D Kxxx, C Kxxx
   Auction: P, You pass, 1H, 1S
   	    P, ?

Partner had: S-A??xx, H-Txx, D AQx, C Ax

3N or 4H were easy. Opener (me) had AKxx of hearts and 9 other non-descript
cards. Partners spades were good enough to keep the defense from taking 3
tricks in that suit. 4H is slightly better and that's what our partners
reached.

2. both
   Hand: S AJ7xxx, H, D AKJT9, C Jx
   Auction: (Partnership)
	    You open 1S, 2H (game forcing)
	    3D, 4C (could be 4th suit forcing)
	    4D, 4H
	    ?
Partner had S Q, H AQTxxxx, Dx, C AKxx

Note that 4S is slightly better than 4H and I believe that 4H failed on a 4-2
split.

3. nobody vul
   Hand: S K, H Kx, D AQxxx, C Qxxxx
   Auction: (Partnership)
	    You open 1D, 1S
	    2C, 2H (4th suit game forcing)
	    2N, 3S
	    ?

Partner had S AJTxxx, H Qx, D Kx, C AT9

Diamonds were 4-2 so 3 NT went down.
1938.9Yeah, what they said!SUBSYS::SENGUPTAShekhar Sengupta DTN 237-6785Thu Mar 06 1997 14:563
    1. 1NT (Pass is too risky)
    2. 4S (allowing for the possibility of partner bidding and playing 4NT)
    3. 4S (I'm expecting a 7 card fit with 3 of the top 4 honours)