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| 523.1 | Schedule | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Thu Dec 07 1995 21:27 | 168 |
| Here is the schedule that the CSF (Cofederacion Sudamerica de Futbol) has
approved for the '98 World Cup qualification for the South America region.
HOME team name FIRST:
Wednesday - April 24, 1996
Argentina v Bolivia
Venezuela v Uruguay
Colombia v Paraguay
Ecuador v Peru
Bye: Chile
Sunday - June 2, 1996
Venezuela v Chile
Uruguay v Paraguay
Ecuador v Argentina
Peru v Colombia
Bye: Bolivia
Sunday - July 7, 1996
Bolivia v Venezuela
Colombia v Uruguay
Peru v Argentina
Chile v Ecuador
Bye: Paraguay
Sunday - September 1, 1996
Argentina v Paraguay
Bolivia v Peru
Colombia v Chile
Ecuador v Venezuela
Bye: Uruguay
Wednesday - October 9, 1996
Venezuela v Argentina
Uruguay v Bolivia
Ecuador v Colombia
Paraguay v Chile
Bye: Peru
Sunday - November 10, 1996
Bolivia v Colombia
Paraguay v Ecuador
Peru v Venezuela
Chile v Uruguay
Bye: Argentina
Sunday - December 15, 1996
Argentina v Chile
Bolivia v Paraguay
Venezuela v Colombia
Uruguay v Peru
Bye: Ecuador
Sunday - January 12, 1997
Bolivia v Ecuador
Venezuela v Paraguay
Uruguay v Argentina
Peru v Chile
Bye: Colombia
Wednesday - February 12, 1997
Bolivia v Chile
Colombia v Argentina
Paraguay v Peru
Ecuador v Uruguay
Bye: Venezuela
Wednesday - April 2, 1997
Bolivia v Argentina
Uruguay v Venezuela
Paraguay v Colombia
Peru v Ecuador
Bye: Chile
Wednesday - April 30, 1997
Argentina v Ecuador
Colombia v Peru
Paraguay v Uruguay
Chile v Venezuela
Bye: Bolivia
Sunday - June 8, 1997
Argentina v Peru
Venezuela v Bolivia
Uruguay v Colombia
Ecuador v Chile
Bye: Paraguay
Sunday - July 6, 1997
Venezuela v Ecuador
Paraguay v Argentina
Peru v Bolivia
Chile v Colombia
Bye: Uruguay
Sunday - July 20, 1997
Argentina v Venezuela
Bolivia v Uruguay
Colombia v Ecuador
Chile v Paraguay
Bye: Peru
Wednesday - August 20, 1997
Venezuela v Peru
Uruguay v Chile
Colombia v Bolivia
Ecuador v Paraguay
Bye: Argentina
Wednesday - September 10, 1997
Colombia v Venezuela
Paraguay v Bolivia
Peru v Uruguay
Chile v Argentina
Bye: Ecuador
Sunday - October 12, 1997
Argentina v Uruguay
Paraguay v Venezuela
Ecuador v Bolivia
Chile v Peru
Bye: Colombia
Sunday - November 16, 1997
Argentina v Colombia
Uruguay v Ecuador
Peru v Paraguay
Chile v Bolivia
Bye: Venezuela
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| 523.2 | How nmany more ganes and why? | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | Atlanta's Most (In)famous Welshman | Fri Dec 08 1995 03:29 | 15 |
| carlos,
is there a reason why they have abandoned the two group system that
had been used in previous world cups? how many games would a qualifier
have to play versus how many they played in say qualifying for 1994?
I read somewhere that the US (in CONACAF) would play 20 games in
qualifying versus the 12 they played in getting in 1990 (of course
in 94 they were hosts) so i'm wondering what the logic is here since
it's not like in Europe where 20 new countries have suddenly
appeared...
regards
Andrew.D.Wicks
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| 523.3 | Whe? | IOSG::LAYNE | | Fri Dec 08 1995 08:37 | 8 |
| Andy,
If and when you get the qualifying groups and schedules for CONACF,
could you post them please.
Thanks
William
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| 523.4 | | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Fri Dec 08 1995 20:12 | 24 |
| My understanding is that all 9 countries had a hard time agreeing what
will be the best way for the qualifier, they all had different opinions
and objections. The only opinion that everyone finally agreed was to
have eveyone play each other starting on April of 1996 and ending in
November of 1997.
Some of difficulties that they were facing was scheduling the
qualifiers. It use to be done during the months of June thru August but
it has caused many problems, specially in the last qualifer for the '94
World Cup. There were other tournaments that was getting hard to
schedule (e.g. Copa America, Copa Libertadores). Also, trying to get
players that play in Europe was getting to be more difficult. There
was contants problems with European clubs to release players.
With new format and new schedule, it almost coincide with European
qualifiers (and tournaments) where players can return and play with
their respective countries. Also, it makes it easy for them to
schedule other major tournament in South America.
Also, according to the President of CSF, he find it exciting where
everyone will play each other and the top four quailify.
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| 523.5 | | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Fri Dec 08 1995 20:23 | 20 |
| Oh yeah, as to CONCACAF, a lot of countries from Central America have
made major complains that it does not seem fair that certain countries
get byes in the early rounds (E.g. USA and Mexico) while others have to
play at least 8-12 games. Some of them felt that with all those games,
they felt somewhat tire by the time they play other teams that get a
bye (specially players that play abroad).
A good example that has been used is El Salvador in the past qualifer.
That team ended playing over 20 games while USA and Mexico about 12
games. El Salvador did have a good team but certain players that play
abroad where getting tired when it came down the final rounds of the
qualifier.
With the new format that they are proposing, EVERY team will have to
play the same amount of games to qualifiy.
Remember these are all proposals that is being presented to FIFA and
FIFA could change it.
Carlos
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| 523.6 | Why segregate Concacaf versus the South ? | ULYSSE::VISCIGLIO | Pas a l'abri d'un coup de bol | Mon Dec 11 1995 16:35 | 7 |
|
Excuse the naive question:
Why don't they create an UMFA, i.e. a federation for America gathering
all the federations of America, as well as in Europe or Africa ?
Pierre-Yves
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| 523.7 | I think??? | HERO::LAYNE | | Mon Dec 11 1995 16:57 | 9 |
| RE -1
I thought CONCACAF was the South. Well South of the equator anyway,
i.e. South America and the West Indies.
As to a federation of America, Europe and Africa - That's FIFA isn't
it.
William
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| 523.8 | | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Mon Dec 11 1995 17:53 | 12 |
| CONCACAF is for North and Central America (and it includes the West
Indies).
CSF is for South America only.
I don't know the reason as to why they are separate but I do know that
it has been like that for many, many years. So, I would probably
assume that the reason is based on history.
Carlos
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| 523.9 | CSF is more in the South than CONCACAF | ULYSSE::VISCIGLIO | Pas a l'abri d'un coup de bol | Tue Dec 12 1995 16:52 | 9 |
|
re: -1 Thanks for the update
re: -2 I was meaning a Federation of the Americas, not a fed of Europe
+ America + Asia which would have been a nonsense or a FIFA clone
PYV
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| 523.10 | FIFA accepts SA qualifier | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Wed Dec 13 1995 16:17 | 6 |
| It's now OFFICIAL.
FIFA accepted the CSF proposal where everyone will play each other and
the TOP four will qualify.
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| 523.11 | Table after the first 2 days | ZUR01::ASHG | Grahame Ash @RLE | Tue Jun 04 1996 13:26 | 17 |
| This is looking interesting. Can't be bothered to put in all of Sunday's
scores, but Paraguay won in Uruguay, and Ecudaor beat Argentina.
After 2 games, the table is
Ecuador 6
Colombia 4
Paraguay 3
Argentina 3
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Uruguay 3
Chile 1
Venezuela 1
Peru 1
Bolivia 0
grahame
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| 523.12 | Scores | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Thu Jun 20 1996 18:45 | 40 |
| Here are results so far for the WC '96 qualifier in South America
4/24/96 @Buenos Aires Argentina 3
Bolivia 1
@Barranquilla Colombia 1
Paraguay 0
@Guayaquil Ecuador 4
Peru 1
@Caracas Venezuela 0
Uruguay 2
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6/2/96 @Quito Ecuador 2
Argentina 0
@Lima Peru 1
Colombia 1
@Montevideo Uruguay 0
Paraguay 2
@Barina Venezuela 1
Chile 1
Team GP W D L GF GA Pts
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Ecuador 2 2 0 0 6 1 6
Colombia 2 1 1 0 2 1 4
Paraguay 2 1 0 1 2 1 3
Uruguay 2 1 0 1 2 2 3
Argentina 2 1 0 1 3 3 3
Chile 1 0 1 0 1 1 1
Venezuela 2 0 1 1 1 3 1
Peru 2 0 1 1 2 5 1
Bolivia 1 0 0 1 1 3 0
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| 523.13 | 3rd Round scores | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Mon Jul 08 1996 18:26 | 30 |
| Here are results (3rd Round) for the WC '96 qualifier in South America
7/7/96 @Lima Peru 0
Argentina 0
@Barranquilla Colombia 3
Uruguay 1
@La Paz Bolivia 6
Venezuela 1
@Santiago Chile 4
Ecuador 1
STANDINGS
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Team GP W D L GF GA Pts
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Colombia 3 2 1 0 5 2 7
Ecuador 3 2 0 1 7 5 6
Chile 2 1 1 0 5 2 4
Argentina 3 1 1 1 3 3 4
Bolivia 2 1 0 1 7 4 3
Paraguay 2 1 0 1 2 1 3
Uruguay 3 1 0 2 3 5 3
Peru 3 0 2 1 2 5 2
Venezuela 3 0 1 2 2 9 1
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| 523.14 | | RDGENG::MORRELL | Now, the parties over.... and I'm so tired... | Mon Jul 08 1996 18:27 | 7 |
| Well lets hope Bolivia can ease Argentina out of 4th spot....
:->
Cheers,
Rick.
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| 523.15 | 4th round scores | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Tue Sep 03 1996 16:46 | 28 |
| Here are results (4th Round) for the WC '96 qualifier in South America
9/1/96 @Barranquilla Colombia 4
Chile 1
@La Paz Bolivia 0
Peru 0
@Quito Ecuador 1
Venezuela 0
@Buenos Aires Argentina 1
Paraguay 1
Team GP W D L GF GA Pts
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Colombia 4 3 1 0 9 3 10
Ecuador 4 3 0 1 8 5 9
Argentina 4 1 2 1 4 4 5
Bolivia 3 1 1 1 7 4 4
Paraguay 3 1 1 1 3 2 4
Chile 3 1 1 1 6 6 4
Uruguay 3 1 0 2 3 5 3
Peru 4 0 3 1 2 5 3
Venezuela 4 0 1 3 2 10 1
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| 523.16 | 5th round scores | VMSSG::FUERTES | | Fri Oct 11 1996 15:59 | 26 |
| 523.17 | Latest results | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Wed Nov 13 1996 16:56 | 26 |
| 523.18 | Results | VMSSG::FUERTES | | Thu Feb 13 1997 18:03 | 55 |
| Here are the latest results for the WC '98 qualifier in South America
12/15/96 @Buenos Aires Argentina 1
Chile 1
@La Paz Bolivia 0
Paraguay 0
@Montevideo Uruguay 2
Peru 0
@San Cristobal Colombia 2
Venezuela 0
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1/12/97 @La Paz Bolivia 2
Ecuador 0
@Lima Peru 2
Chile 1
@Montevideo Uruguay 0
Argentina 0
@Merida Paraguay 2
Venezuela 0
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2/12/97 @La Paz Bolivia 1
Chile 1
@Barranquilla Argentina 1
Colombia 0
@Quito Ecuador 4
Uruguay 0
@Asuncion Paraguay 2
Peru 1
Team GP W D L GF GA Pts
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Colombia 8 5 2 1 14 6 17
Paraguay 8 5 2 1 10 4 17
Argentina 8 3 4 1 11 7 13
Ecuador 8 4 0 4 12 9 12
Bolivia 8 2 4 2 12 8 10
Uruguay 8 3 1 4 6 10 10
Chile 8 2 3 3 11 12 9
Peru 8 2 3 3 9 11 9
Venezuela 8 0 1 7 5 23 1
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| 523.19 | | IRNBRU::61549::Spike | Do you munch stump? | Fri Feb 14 1997 11:04 | 3 |
| Does this mean that Argentina will be out of the finals?
Rgds, Steve
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| 523.20 | Top 4 qualify | ZUR01::ASHG | Grahame Ash @RLE | Fri Feb 14 1997 11:56 | 5 |
| >Does this mean that Argentina will be out of the finals?
As they're third, and the top 4 qualify, I'd say it's unlikely.
g
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| 523.21 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Fri Feb 14 1997 12:02 | 6 |
| Because there are informations with different content in the notes conferences:
Has someone the valid qualifying rules for the WC in France (how many teams
of Europe,America,Africa,...), how many teams of eachj qualifying group ,aso. ?
Heribert
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| 523.22 | Qualification in Europe | MILE::JENKINS | | Fri Feb 14 1997 14:40 | 16 |
|
Heribert,
Both the BBC and national press confirmed Ferdys info on World Cup
qualifiaction in Europe.
1. Nine group winners qualify
2. Best second place team of the nine groups qualifies
3. The eight other second placed teams go into a hat like a cup draw
(FIFA have yet to decide wether they will seed the teams)
4. The four matches will be played home and away, winners qualify.
Richard.
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| 523.23 | Why not just finish top? | ZUR01::ASHG | Grahame Ash @RLE | Fri Feb 14 1997 15:37 | 6 |
| Heribert,
What's the problem? All you have to do is beat Estonia to finish top of the
group!
grahame
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| 523.24 | | TYCHE::HERIBERT | | Mon Feb 17 1997 09:43 | 6 |
| Grahame,
Austria never will be 1st in this group.
But in Austrian press the 2nd place is enough for WC.
Heribert
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| 523.25 | How the other half do it | CHEFS::WRAITHC | | Mon Feb 17 1997 15:29 | 36 |
| Colombia 0 Arg. 1
On my recent stopover in Munich I was treated to this match (first half
highlights, second half live) to follow the England v Italy clash.
I'd forgotten what a gulf there is between the interpretation of the
game in Europe and S. America.
The Argentinian "goal" in the first half was a speculative shot from
about 35 metres which the Colombian goalie "shepherded" with hands wide
apart - clearly certain it was going well past his left post. The ball
passed within about six inches of him and settled neatly into the
corner of the net at a very sedate pace - now I know why Tino Asprilla
feels at home with the Newcastle goalkeeping squad !
The live action was just that - absolute mayhem with players being
scythed down rather than tackled - and the ref carrying on as if
nothing had happened - giving free kicks but not really bothering with
cards too much. Argentina were down to ten men in the second half and
were contend to defend (kick anyone looking threatening) but they
looked super fit compared with the "relaxed" home team, who managed to
miss a penalty after Tino was felled in the box.
Add the fact that the game was played on a dry, bald, bumpy pitch which
looked about Sunday league standard, and you can see it was not a
pretty sight.
One interesting deviation from our norm was the use of ballboys
equipped with a supply of game balls, so a defender kicking the ball
out of the ground was not guaranteed breathing space as the ballboy
simply threw a new ball to the attacking side - resulting in several
extremely quickly taken throws and subsequent attacking pressure. I think
this would be good news here too.
Cheers,
Colin
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| 523.26 | | CHEFS::CROSSA | It ain't loud enough, punk! | Mon Feb 17 1997 15:37 | 19 |
| Colin,
>>The live action was just that - absolute mayhem with players being
>>scythed down rather than tackled - and the ref carrying on as if
>>nothing had happened - giving free kicks but not really bothering
>>with cards too much.
Sounds like Scottish football to me!!!
I like the bit about the balls being thrown straight back into play to
speed things up. Chelsea owe Filbert St a few quid for the two that
Newton blasted well out of the ground yesterday!
Stretch.
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| 523.27 | | VNA03::HERIBERT | | Thu Apr 03 1997 12:29 | 16 |
| Hard Way For Argentina
Bolivia - Argentina 2:1 (1:1)
Uruguay - Venezuela 3:1 (1:0)
Peru - Ecuador 1:1 (0:0)
Paraguay - Columbia 2:1 (1:0)
1. Paraguay 9 6 2 1 12:5 20
2. Columbia 9 5 2 2 15:8 17
3. Bolivia 9 3 4 2 14:9 13
4. Ecuador 9 4 1 4 13:10 13
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5. Argentina 9 3 4 2 12:9 13
6. Uruguay 9 4 1 4 9:11 13
7. Peru 9 2 4 3 10:12 10
8. Chile 8 2 3 3 11:12 9
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| 523.28 | 5 games to go...lots can happen | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Apr 03 1997 17:00 | 6 |
|
Mmm,
still got the feeling that Argentina and Uruguay will be there...
Dezzz
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| 523.29 | Bad endings | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Tue Apr 08 1997 19:07 | 74 |
| Ugly way of ending games between Colombia vs Paraguay and Bolivia vs
Argentina.
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Colombia vs Paraguay - Very good game for Paraguay as they had a very
good control of the game.
With about 12 minutes to go, Asprilla (Colombian striker) and Chilavert
(spelling? Parguay's goalie) were given red cards. In a replay video,
it showed that Chilavert came behind Asprilla, gave some words and spit
Asprilla, Asprilla in return gave him an elbow to the face. Both
thrown out.
Few minutes later,a brawl brakes between the benches. No one knows
what happens but pictures showed Aristizabal (Colombian striker)
kicking Chilavert. After game interviews, Asprilla said that while
sitting in the bench, Chilavert came to him and punched him. I guess
Aristizabal (and the rest of the Colombian's bench) saw it and were not
going to sit there. Chilavert denied that he hit Asprilla, and that
Asprilla was a liar (and said few more unkind words). He said that he
is an honest person and that someone better showed some prove that he
ever did that.
UNIVISION this past Sunday got a video that showed (crystal clear)
Chilavert going toward the Colombia bench and puched Asprilla in the
face. Aristizabal saw it and ran toward Chilavert and started kicking
him. Univision said that they will be submitting that tape to FIFA.
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Argentina vs Bolivia
Without about 5 minutes to go, Argentina with 2 men down (and reports
said that it should have been more) a huge brawl break between the
Argentinian team and the fans, police and the Bolivian team.
Based on reports and a tape that Univision showed, a person (it looked
like he was dressed in a police uniform) was trying to pick up a ball
and an Argentinian player kicked the ball real hard (not sure if it was
toward him or not). This person then punches (KO) the Argentinian
player, and next thing you know fists are flying between the
Argentinian team and the police and then few fans get involved.
Based on reports (including Argentinian newspapers), team from
Argentina were not playing soccer but looking for blood. "Argentina
was a disgrace" and fans are demanding the resignation of Passarella.
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Not a very good night of soccer in South America.
Paraguay is looking very good and so far deserved to qualify for the
WC. Colombia will probably qualify but they are not looking to good at
the moment. Ecuador is looking pretty good and has a good shot at
making it. Uruguay looks horrible and at this moment they don't
deserve to qualiify. Argentina has a great advantage as they have 6
out 7 games at home and if they get their act together, they should
qualify. Bolivia in the other hand has 5 out of 7 game on the road and
they have not done well on the road.
Venezuela is alredy eliminated and Peru is just about being eliminated.
Chile has a shot for the 4th place.
Next games are around April 30th:
Ecuador @ Argentina
Peru @ Colombia
Uruguay @ Paraguay
Venezuela @ Chile
Bolivia idle
Carlos
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| 523.30 | Football is a joke here just now | PATE::POUNDER | | Tue Apr 08 1997 19:33 | 33 |
|
This whole WC campaign in South America is turning into a fiasco.
Argentina seem to have reverted to tactics of many years ago where they
kicked everything that moved ! I've got to believe that FIFA must take
serious action against these offenders...but you never know with these
guys....
The friendly last week with Jamaica / Mexico league side that was
reported here...players brandishing bottles & bricks etc (yes..the
PLAYERS !) has another twist to it...the Mexican companies who hired
the training pitch and the Team bus have "withdrawn" their facilities !
The Jamaican team are training on the hotel pitch (very small)......
The team may not be able to hire a bus to get to the game.
Comic cuts indeed !!
OK..hornets nest time....the Bolivian team insist on playing their
games at 12,000 ft altitude. Give them a tremendous advantage over
their opposition. Yet another daft situation that FIFA are doing
nothing about. Teams are going for 2 weeks acclimatisation and still it
does them no good. They just can't last 90mins at that altitude.
OK, so Bolivia is crap....but thats not the point. From the past few
months my attitude to football here is that it is corrupt, cynical and
almost lawless. FIFA and the respective country associations are
failing badly.
It is clear that the WC should not be played in South America for the
forseeable future. Argentina should be banned for a lengthy period.
Most teams should face stiff fines for their indicipline...and Bolivia
should not be allowed to use THAT stadium. If England can get banned
for theor supporters actions, then what penalty should these teams face
because of their PLAYERS actions ?
Trevor
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| 523.31 | They play at home. You must comply with it | ULYSSE::VISCIGLIO | Pas a l'abri d'un coup de bol | Wed Apr 09 1997 10:05 | 12 |
| Trevor,
Just one point about Bolivia playing at 12000 fts. yes, it's an
advantage, but you simply cannot forbid a country to play in its
capital. It happens that La Paz is at this altitude.
PYV
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| 523.32 | Just as well they are bad | PATE::POUNDER | | Wed Apr 09 1997 17:10 | 5 |
|
Pierre-Yves....I'll admit defeat on that one....it is their capital
city. Wonder if the rarified air made the players so "hot-tempered" ?
Trevor
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| 523.33 | Last week's results | VMSSG::FUERTES | | Mon May 05 1997 21:58 | 28 |
| Here are the latest results for the WC '98 qualifier in South America
3/30/97 @Asuncion Paraguay 3
Uruguay 1
@Barranquilla Peru 1
Colombia 0
@Santiago Chile 6
Venezuela 0
@Buenos Aires Argentina 2
Ecuador 1
Team GP W D L GF GA Pts
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Paraguay 10 7 2 1 15 6 23
Colombia 10 5 2 3 15 9 17
Argentina 10 4 4 2 14 10 16
Bolivia 9 3 4 2 14 9 13
Ecuador 10 4 1 5 14 12 13
Peru 10 3 4 3 11 12 13
Uruguay 10 4 1 5 10 14 13
Chile 9 3 3 3 17 12 12
Venezuela 10 0 1 9 6 32 1
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