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378.1 | More Brazilian than Brazil's ?? | LUDWIG::ZAMORA | Real football in 4� more days | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:00 | 13 |
| I was reading the local paper yesterday (Worcester Telegram) and they
had, in their oppinion, a list of favorites to win the World Cup.
Not in particular order: Brazil, Germany, Italy, Holland, and
Colombia. They also said that "Colombia's Soccer is poetry in motion!!"
I'm Colombian, and I like the type of football Colombia is plying right
now, but obviously my oppinion could be biassed.. I like o see what
comments do some of you have about Colombia, and also if you have had
a chance to watch them play!! Anybody ??
-|^
`-' Vamos Colombia Carajo..!!
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378.2 | | LEDS::FORST | Rainer Forst SHR1-3/O13 DTN 237-3016 | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:08 | 5 |
| I like the colombian way to play, but I'm afraid that in the end
things like stamina, toughness and discipline will prevail again the
longer the tournament proceeds.
As a german spectator I have to like this, though, otherwise our team
would never have been as successfull as they were in those tournaments.
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378.3 | Nice football doesn't necessarily win Cups. | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:10 | 14 |
|
Last time I saw Columbia was when they played France this time last
year and won 3-1. It was the nearest I've seen to Brazil 1970 as far as
being a joy to watch. It would be a little presumptious to say they'll
go all the way as I think the game has got much more physical since the
days when Pele won his last WC Gold medal.
However I am looking forward to watching Columbia along with Brazil,
Cameroon and Nigeria. Holland would be the only team I might expect
from Europe to throw caution to the wind and play open football. But
then again why DID Gullit withdraw from the squad; his awaited answer
might well be forthcoming by the way Holland actually play !!.
Dezzz.
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378.4 | Final Germany vs. Columbia 3-1 | COL01::GUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:15 | 10 |
| re. .1
I agree with you, they might even make it to the finals (where Germany
will beat them 3-1). Their success is dependent on Valderama's condition.
Do you know whether he has recovered? Another risk factor is their
forward, in my eyes they rely a lot on this guy - can't remember his
name for the moment - which plays for munich. I saw him once last
season and he has a very unusual way to play football.
Frank
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378.5 | | LUDWIG::ZAMORA | Real football in 4� more days | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:37 | 11 |
| Re .4
I think You're talking about 'El tren' Valencia. You also may be right
about their dependency on Valderrama, who, as a middle, organizes the
atack, and who has recovered fully from his injury of 2-3 months ago.
they also have a good forward in 'Tino' Asprilla (plays for Italy's Parma)
Does anybody have a list of Colombia's official squad ??
Vamos Colombia Carajo -|^
`-'
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378.6 | | VMSSG::FUERTES | | Mon Jun 13 1994 18:50 | 23 |
| It is kind of funny that most Colombians here in the USA expect
Colombia to do well (most are hoping to make the semis). Few friend
just came up from Colombia and they say that the country will be happy
if Colombia will make the 1/4 finals.
One thing that I love about the Colombian team this time is that they
have 3 forwards that can score and create plays (Valencia, Asprilla and
Valenciano). Maturana will always put 2 out of these 3. In midfield,
Valderrama is the key, however when he was injured, Colombia was
succesfull with Lionel Alvarez. Also, Rincon is becoming one of the
best players in South America. He is a forward but plays midfield in
the Colombian Team and so far he has been involved in every score in
the past 3 games that Colombia has played.
Yesterday, Colombia defeated Palmeiras from Brazil 3-0. Rincon score 2
and Valencia score on a penalty shot.
Since I will be at the finals, I have my fingers crossed and hoping
real hard that I can see Colombia there.
Vamos Colombia!!!!!
Carlos
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378.7 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:02 | 5 |
|
This thing I like most about Colombia is that one of their forwards
also plays part of the time as goalkeeper 8-)
JBG
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378.8 | Milla dribbles Higuita... and scooooores! | GLDOA::BOSSONNEY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:09 | 8 |
| re. -1
JBG, if you refer to Higuita , he is not playing for Colombia anymore....
If you think of Campos he plays for Mexico....but hey.. for a lot of
Americans , south of El Paso lies just one big Spanish-speaking country
anyhow ! ;-)
Jacques
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378.9 | Their good for footie.... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:14 | 10 |
|
I agree with Dezz.... (we must get together someday) Iam looking forward
to seeing Brazil, Cammeroon and especially Nigeria and Columbia play.... If
Ireland doesn't win it then I hope one of the above teams do... and I hope its
not the Germans... They don't know how to celebrate anyway..... Unless breaking
windows and throwing bottles at cars is the form of celebrating?????
-dave-
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378.10 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:32 | 8 |
|
Re .8
Thats the guy, Higuita. I'm always reminded of his wonderfully
deciptive attacking skills when I watch goalkeepers like Grobellar
(sp), Schmeicel and Brian Finch play! 8-)
JBG
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378.11 | Where is the next riot? | COL01::GUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:34 | 8 |
| Dave,
I will not comment the bulls**t from your last note....Oh, excuse me, I
have to leave to damage a few cars....
no regards,
Frank
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378.12 | You can't be too careful ;-)) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Tue Jun 14 1994 15:35 | 7 |
| Hey Frank,
Try not to damage your own car ;-)
Yours helpfully,
Jerry.
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378.13 | | LUDWIG::ZAMORA | Real 'Football' in 71 more hours | Tue Jun 14 1994 15:53 | 11 |
| The current goalkeeper for Colombia is Oscar Cordoba. To the
contrary of Higuita, Cordoba is a more conservative goalkeeper, who in
my oppinion gives Colombia's team more confidence.. Higuita's style,
although versatile and different, gave me almost a heart attack when
coming out of the area the way he did...
Vamos Colombia Carajo!! -|^
`-' |PZ
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378.14 | Columbia not in the world cup this year... | NSTG::SIERRA | Carlos Sierra | Tue Jun 14 1994 16:43 | 14 |
|
re .-1
I agree, Higuita preferred the action going on in mid-field.. Watching
him and the Colombian team in Milan in '90 vs W. Germany was incredible.
We'll have to wait and see how far their fancy footwork takes them this
year...
Carlos
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378.15 | romaians/columbia to draw | IVOSS1::TOMAN_RI | | Tue Jun 14 1994 21:59 | 10 |
| after watching the Romanians last Sunday I believe they will physically
slow down the Columbians and wear them out--the result will be a draw
which in effect is a win for the Romanians and will damage the
Columbians confidence. I agree with the previous notes that the
Columbians are a pretty team to watch with their one touch style
regards
rick
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378.16 | Ominous signs ;-) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Wed Jun 15 1994 10:10 | 20 |
| Things are looking bad for the States, Colombia and Romania.
From Swiss radioo this morning :
" Switzerland comprehensively outplayed their opponents in their last
warm-up match before the WC commences. The final score was 11-0 (yes
Eleven) in Switzerlands favour, and by all accounts it could have been
more."
In a whisper, the newsreader then added
"The game was played against the Milwaukee Kickers (?), a top
college team. The game was played over two 30 minute periods."
Listening to this guy you'ld think they had just beaten Germany 2-0
away ;-) Still, 11 goals in an hour isn't bad !
Jerry.
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378.17 | swiss plays amateurs | IVOSS1::TOMAN_RI | | Thu Jun 16 1994 19:14 | 6 |
| the milwaukee team was an amateur club team and the Swiss's top goalie
played for them and gave up 11 goals
rick
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378.18 | PRODan for Ibrox!! | MASALA::ISUTHERLAND | I'll be forever blue... | Sun Jun 19 1994 18:15 | 14 |
|
Rumania 3 Columbia 1.
Best game of the tourney so far.Brilliant attacking from the Columbians,
brilliant defending and counter-attacking from the Rumanians.
Hagi looked the player we know he can be and Valderrama showed in
flashes that he can be a major star in this World Cup.
I was disappointed with the Columbians set pieces around the box
though.Them being South American i expected something new/different
to the norm.
I think they'll need to get their defence sorted out if they are
looking to do well in this tournament as i feel the Swiss could cause
them similar problems to the Rumanians with their counter-attacking
style.Especially if Knupp is fit to partner Chapuisat up front.
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378.19 | | BEJVC::LEONLI | | Mon Jun 20 1994 03:51 | 3 |
| Both great skillful teams with many superstar Hagi, Valerrama...
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378.20 | Colombian goalie | BCFI::LIDEN | | Mon Jun 20 1994 10:45 | 3 |
| Pity for such a good team to have such a goalie.
Christer
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378.21 | Fluke or Classic | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Mon Jun 20 1994 11:09 | 6 |
| Who thinks that Hagi's goal against Colombia was a complete fluke?
About 50% think it was a fluke. IMHO it was a great piece of skill.
On a different subject altogether now, so far it's Europe 2 - 0 S. America
(Germany,
Romania)
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378.22 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Enhance your calm | Mon Jun 20 1994 11:30 | 5 |
| I think it was a steaming great fluke.
But a well-deserved one.
Mike
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378.23 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Mon Jun 20 1994 11:33 | 6 |
|
When I watched the game I thought it was a fluke but having seen the
goal on numourous occasions I've changed my mind and think he went for
goal...Best match so far....Two excellant sides...
Neil...
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378.24 | | MASALA::AMCKAY | Andy Pandy | Mon Jun 20 1994 12:04 | 6 |
| Heard from the commentator on the telly when the yanks scored that
great goal against the Swiss."A great goal even the great Peter
Shilton would not have got it".Is that supposed to make the Swiss
goalie feel good.
If this is the way things are going to go it makes you almost wish
that the English were there then we can al be gauranteed a laugh.
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378.25 | Update | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Mon Jun 20 1994 13:15 | 18 |
| P W D L GF GA Pts
Romania 1 1 0 0 3 1 3
USA 1 0 1 0 1 1 1
Switzerland 1 0 1 0 1 1 1
Colombia 1 0 0 1 1 3 0
18th June '94
Pontiac USA 1-1 Switzerland
Pasadena Colombia 1-3 Romania
22nd June '94
Pontiac Switzerland v Romania
Pasadena USA v Colombia
26th June '94
Pasadena USA v Romania
Stanford Switzerland v Colombia
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378.26 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 20 1994 13:27 | 4 |
| The Romania V Colombia match was played in the Rose bowl (so I
thought). Does anyone know what the attendance was and what the
capacity of the ground is ?
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378.27 | Brilliant Goal | MTWAIN::BURROWS | WC'94; Football in Foxboro | Mon Jun 20 1994 14:13 | 6 |
| Hagi's goal looked like a perfectly placed shot to me, but the commentator
on (ABC?) kept saying it was meant to be a cross. I don't think Hagi would
be that far off on a cross. It was a brilliant goal.
Clark
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378.28 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Enhance your calm | Mon Jun 20 1994 14:37 | 6 |
| I think the attendance for the Colombia game was about 94,000.
Hagi's goal was a cross. He wasn't even looking at the goal when he kicked it,
and he'd have needed a laser designator to place it that well.
Mike
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378.29 | | ROMA::KUMAR | | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:58 | 5 |
| RE: .26
I believe the capacity at the Rose Bowl is 100,000.
Kumar
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378.30 | rose bowl | IVOSS1::TOMAN_RI | | Mon Jun 20 1994 19:05 | 19 |
| re:29
The Rose Bowl used to seat 102,500 before certain renovations ere made
for the World Cup
Now it seats 92,000 and for the Columbia game there were 91,858
according to the paper and since I was there I believe it
Hagi's goal was not a fluke and contrary to earlier notes he meant to
put it there---when he struck the ball he was right in front of me(I
was in row 10)ABOUT 15 METERS AWAY and if he was going to cross he
would have placed a different spin on the ball--on his shot he had it
dipping and thats why the keeper was fooled
the Cameroon/Sweden game had 83,000 in attendance and from an American
perspective as opposed to a purely technical perspective it was
entertaining with a lot of excitement
rick
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378.31 | Usual work for Hagi | TPLAB::VLASIU | Sorin Vlasiu - Brussels, Belgium | Wed Jun 22 1994 17:14 | 4 |
| Hagi uses to mark goals the way he has done with Columbia. Even in the
same match he has tried a similar coup minutes before his goal.
Sorin
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378.32 | USA Wins! | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Thu Jun 23 1994 03:52 | 22 |
| U.S.A 2 Colombia 1
What more is there to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great game - great win. USA defence dominated. Colombia spent
the entire game trying to go down the middle and were met by a
wall of US players. USA played it wide and long and never looked
like losing. One goal disallowed for offside - wrong decision -
wrong player flagged - have to be interfering. Ref who otherwise
had an excellent game should have gone and talked to the linesman to
find out who it was.
Notice how few free kicks there were in the game. I'll bet the US
didn't give away 10 the entire game.
USA still needs to get a point from the next game to be absolutely
safe but should move into the next round.
This win has probably done more for soccer (football) in the USA than
anything else.
Gerry
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378.33 | Group A in turmoil... | QETOO::FERREIRA | | Thu Jun 23 1994 04:18 | 7 |
| Seems like if the USA does no worse than tie on Sunday, and the
Swiss lose to Columbia, the USA will actually finish 1st in
Group A. A most unexpected result, even by the team's own admission,
I would venture. Their performance thus far should earn them some respect
from even their toughest critics.
Go USA!
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378.34 | Mr Kumar comments?? | STAR::CASSILY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 05:13 | 7 |
|
Hmmmmm....looks like 1) they are not going to finish "bottom of the
pile", and...2) the matches are not playing to empty stadiums....
Maybe Mr. Kumar would like to comment :-) :-) :-)
Mike
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378.35 | USA all the way!! | COMET::ANTHONY_B | | Thu Jun 23 1994 08:22 | 3 |
| So much for all the predictions that the US would die in round1! They
might even win group A.
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378.36 | USA win a world cup game, ha. | STRATA::BOLDEN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 08:35 | 6 |
|
Can anyone give a synopsis of the US-Columbia game. I only saw
the 1st goal for the US. They were lucky to win the game.
Craig
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378.37 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Thu Jun 23 1994 08:37 | 10 |
|
Great wins for the USA & Switzerland. My quick calculations seem to
suggest that both are now certain of qualifying. If either of these
teams ends up in 3rd place (ie. by losing on Sunday), their 4 points
will carry them through. The group is still wide open & even Colombia
could still qualify if the beat Switzerland well and Roumania lose to the
USA. This sets up two great matches for Sunday with everything to play
for.
JBG
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378.38 | Good trick if they could do it *8^) | UPROAR::HAIGHA | | Thu Jun 23 1994 09:52 | 16 |
| re: -1
> Columbia could still qualify.
I think not
Switzerland 4pts
USA 4pts
Romania 3pts
Columbia 0pts (maximum of 3pts, if they beat USA)
AndyH
miss-quoting a famous song:
(Music was my first love, but Maths wasn't far behind)
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378.39 | | UPROAR::HAIGHA | | Thu Jun 23 1994 09:58 | 9 |
| Ok,
Having seen the mosaic World Cup page, I admit that Columbia colud be a
best 3rd place.
Not bery likely, but I have to admit possible.
AndyH *8^(
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378.40 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Thu Jun 23 1994 10:16 | 4 |
| What was the Switzerland - Rumania score?
Thanks,
Al.
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378.41 | shock result ? | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 10:32 | 7 |
| Romania (1) 1 - (1) 4 Switzerland
The Swiss played really well, although Romania
fell apart towards the end. (They had a man sent off
after goal number 4, he'd only been on the pitch 2 minutes)
Jim.
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378.42 | not just luck | DBSUK2::GRICE | Phil Grice DBS Sustaining Engineering | Thu Jun 23 1994 10:47 | 11 |
| re .36
I stayed up to watch this last night. The first goal was lucky but the
defender had to cut the ball out as a U.S attacker was coming in behind
him. The other goal was great and they had one disallowed which
shouldn't have been.
Columbia had most of the possession but did nothing with it and when
U.S counterattacked they looked much more likely to score.
Well done to the U.S and I hope they go far.
/phil
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378.43 | USA 2 Colombia 1 :-)))))) | ASDG::JOHNSON | | Thu Jun 23 1994 11:53 | 21 |
| Well World Cup 94 continues with surprises.....USA 2 Colombia 1. Who
would have thought this possible? We're (USA) not of the woods yet with
a game remaining with Romania (will Hagi show up to play?) but let us
bask in the sunshine for the moment.
Colombia carried the play and dominated the game territorial wise but
for some reason they stuck with trying to jam everything in from the
center of the field. The US defense shut them down until the 90th
minute when Colombia scored on a rebound out from Meola who made a
great save on the initial play. Even the commentators said that Meola
has made drastic improvements in his game and it showed last night.
Group A, with the exception of Colombia, is still in the air with
Switzerland, Romania and the US vying to go through. Quit possible that
all 3 will go through...this weekend's games obviously will decide.
In just over 90 minutes of playing time football was legitimized in
the US....the shot in the arm we needed to help get this sport
accepted here.
Jerry
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378.44 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:06 | 8 |
| .43
100,000 at the Rose Bowl, America can't ignore these numbers. Congrats
on making the 2nd round....here's hoping Ireland meet the USA in the
final....P*}
Ray....
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378.45 | | YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITH | Straw? too stupid a fad | Thu Jun 23 1994 15:05 | 5 |
|
Is Wegerle (sp?) getting a game for the Star Spangled Banner Boys?
Andy
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378.46 | Wegerle | ADDULT::ROBERTSON | S'il Vous pla�t, o� est le bar? | Thu Jun 23 1994 15:20 | 5 |
| He's come on as sub in both games.
He didn't do too much last night.
Al
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378.47 | Nike tastes better than Reebok ! | ROMA::KUMAR | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:26 | 25 |
| Re: .34,
I know you had the smileys but I'll eat my shoe anyway for saying
that US would finish bottom. As for the empty stadiums, well I meant
that if the US didn't go far, then the stadia would be empty. Now it
looks as though they might end up being World Cup winners. So obviously
the stadia will be filled to the brim.
However, IMHO, I thought Colombia played badly, rather than US
playing well. If you're going to play that badly, then you don't
deserve to go beyond the 1st round. The Colombians have all the skills
necessary to go down the wing, beat the full backs and get a decent
cross in. But they didn't do that. And it looked to me like they didn't
really have a game plan. I don't think the US had one either, but they
got the breaks and in the end deserved the result. I know I'm going to
take some flak for saying that. But that's how I saw it. Does anyone
here actually believe that the US planned anything or did the
Colombians self-destruct ?
I don't see the Colombians escaping from the early flight home. The
Swiss I think would be interested in winning their last match because
finishing second would bring them to the winner of group C (i.e.
maybe Germany), if I've got that right.
Regards,
Kumar
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378.48 | Open your eyes and see REALITY! | NEMAIL::PILATON | Nick Pilato DECUS IM&T Supervisor | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:34 | 8 |
| Kumar,
It was obvius to me that the U.S. had a plan. The defense played the
Columbians well enogh to shut them off till the end! THAT WAS PLANNED!
Don't you hate a bad looser!
Nick
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378.49 | almost.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:38 | 7 |
|
1st in Group A plays 3rd in select from C/D/E
2nd in Group A plays 2nd in Group C...
3rd in Group A plays winner of Group C.
Dezzz.
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378.50 | | VMSSPT::FUERTES | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:45 | 19 |
| Well, Colombia definetely played horrible last night. They were
passing horrible and Valderrama was definetely out of sync. Second
half, one can tell that Colombia was playing with a lot of frustration
but I just could not understand why they kept coming doing the middle
where at least 5 USAs players where waiting. USA played wonderful in
the second half and it was a well deserved win for them.
As for Colombia, they better start thinking that a game of soccer also
consists of playing defense not just attacking. They are going to get
killed by the Swiz if they continue with the same tactics that they
have used in the past two games.
Oh well, Colombia still have a chance in making the second round if they
beat the Swiz by 2 goals and Romania loses to the USA. However, luck
does not seem to be in Colombia's favor.
Vamos Colombia, demuestre su futbol.
Carlos
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378.51 | | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:50 | 14 |
| Well, I'm certainly disappointed woth the Columbians. Luckily I
remained true to the stereotypical Yorkshireman and kept my money in my
pocket instead of having a flutter on them.
I've recorded last nights match but it sounds as though it went in a
similar manner to the Rom-Col match on Saturday. Columbia had all the
possession but no width, tried to walk the ball into the net,
Valderrama didn't have a clue and didn't seem to be able to alter their
tactics accordingly.
Well done to the US - glad to see Harkes doing well.
Paul.
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378.52 | Out of their hands.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:55 | 12 |
|
I think it will be a long shot for Columbia to qualify....
As you say Carlos, they would have to hope for a USA victory and a big
win themselves coupled with probably Group D's Arg and Nig winning
their last games as with Group F's Bel and Holland winning their last
group games....
Sad in a way but I think like a few teams from previous World Cups...
they were caught on the hop...
Dezzz.
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378.53 | Wegerle | COMET::ANTHONY_B | | Fri Jun 24 1994 08:04 | 2 |
| Having just come off arthroscopic surgury, he doesn't the stamina for
a full 90 minutes yet. He is doing well though...
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378.54 | USA performance | YOUWOT::HOUSEN | World famous brick hypnotist | Fri Jun 24 1994 13:14 | 13 |
| Only got round to watching the tape of the US v Columbia game yesterday (can't
keep us with all the games!) and was impressed with the US... they certainly had
a game plan, as you'ld expect given the experience of their coach. I would
say the US were unlucky not to have won 4-1...
as for the the Columbians possession, I'm not sure that is relevant if the
oppositions defence is rarely in trouble. I was particulary impressed with
the US midfielder on the right, Ramos (sp?)... and although the US have some
limitations they do play as a unit, and never seem to give up.
Columbia played fairly well in their first match, but the result obviously
knocked the stuffing out of them.
Norman
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378.55 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:40 | 18 |
| I enjoy watching the US. The reason being, I think they play a very
open game, maybe a bit naive (I don't mean that badly), but entertaining,
unlike Norway and Germany.
I hope they do well.
Who wouldn't rather watch a game between USA and Cameroon, and Germany
and Norway?
I saw a program the other day about 'great players of our time' - Pele
was obviously one of them. The reporter said it was unlikely a player
like Pele would shine (with such brightness) in todays game. The reason
given was the methodical, effective (boring) nature of the successful
teams today.
Listening to commentators, describing the USA, or Cameroon as "technically,
not very good" makes me sick. The USA and Cameroon (and teams like
them) are entertaining - and if they do well, all power to them!
Al.
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378.56 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:52 | 9 |
|
Agreee 100%...Last night the USA were by far the more entertaining but
couldn't get the goal(s). At least they're making headline news in the
States. They even cut off 'The Golf' to show the game....
Hope 4 points are enough for them to get through and put a 'boring'
team out !!!
Dezzz.
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378.57 | result ?? | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:05 | 1 |
| Anyone got the Switz-Columbia score ?
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378.58 | Switzerland vs. Columbia 0-2 | COL01::GUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:07 | 1 |
|
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378.59 | Rumania beat US? | ELIS::BOEREN | I aim to please. Then I fire! | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:28 | 12 |
| The US lost to Rumania?
Now, what's the score:
1 Rum 6
2 Swis 4
3 USA 4
4 Col 3
Or something like that?
Marcel
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378.60 | Yesteray's scores | EVTDD1::LAFONTAINE | A flame about this high | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:33 | 9 |
| yersterday's scorelines were:
USA 0-1 Romania
Colombia 2-0 Switzerland
So USA, have to wait for the outcome of the other groups to see if they
make the 2nd round
Eric
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378.61 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:37 | 6 |
|
Although USA lost last night, the Swis/Columbia result turned out well
for them. Hopefully, 4 points will be enough to take them through to
the next round as one of the four best 3rd place results.
Al.
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378.62 | | EVTDD1::WOOD | | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:52 | 13 |
| If Columbia had beaten Switzerland 3-0 then the USA would have been
second. As it is I don't see how things turned out better for the USA
What they have to hope for is that the 3rd placed teams have either
less than 4 points or 4 points with a negative goal difference.
Unlikely in Groups B D E F but fairly certain in C.
USA have to hope that Russia beat Cameroon, and that people like Saudi,
Nigeria draw and that Holland don't score too many goals.
If results go as 'expected' then they should be OK but it's always a
bit dodgy on a zero goal difference.
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378.63 | | ELIS::BOEREN | I aim to please. Then I fire! | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:55 | 7 |
| RE.-1
> hope that Holland don't score too many goals
What do you mean? The more they score the better, right?
Negative goal difference and stuff.
Marcel
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378.64 | | EVTDD1::WOOD | | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:25 | 8 |
| Yeah sorry you're right, a draw will almost certainly qualify
Holland as long as Saudi don't beat Belgium.
Saudi are a danger for the US if they draw against Belgium.
As long as things go as 'expected', eg. If Bulgaria dont beat Argentina
and Korea dont beat Germany then it's OK for the USA.
Until the next round that is, when they'll get Brasil, Ooooopss !
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378.65 | Group A Result | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:20 | 18 |
| Final Table:
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P W D L GF GA Pts
Romania 3 2 0 1 5 5 6
Switzerland 3 1 1 1 5 4 4
USA 3 1 1 1 3 3 4
Colombia 3 1 0 2 4 5 0
Romania 3-1 Columbia
USA 1-1 Switzerland
Romania 1-4 Switzerland
USA 2-1 Columbia
USA 0-1 Romania
Columbia 2-0 Switzerland
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378.66 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:28 | 18 |
| re Final Table:
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P W D L GF GA Pts
Romania 3 2 0 1 5 5 6
Switzerland 3 1 1 1 5 4 4
USA 3 1 1 1 3 3 4
Colombia 3 1 0 2 4 5 3(0)
Romania 3-1 Columbia
USA 1-1 Switzerland
Romania 1-4 Switzerland
USA 2-1 Columbia
USA 0-1 Romania
Columbia 2-0 Switzerland
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378.67 | USA 0 Romania 1 | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:47 | 59 |
| AP Report
Romania Beats Americans 1-0 to Win Group A
PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - Romania got a 17th-minute goal from defender Dan
Petrescu and beat the United States 1-0 Sunday, advancing it to the second
round of the World Cup as the Group A winner.
The victory, Romania's second in the opening round, gives the Eastern
Europeans six points and will play the third-place team from Group C, D or E
next Sunday in the Rose Bowl.
Despite the loss, the Americans - with four points from a draw with
Switzerland and victory over Colombia - still have an excellent chance of
advancing. With a 1-1-1 record, the Americans finished third in Group A
behind Switzerland on goal differential and will have to wait for the
remainder of the first-round games to be sure.
Romania, which was coming off a 4-1 loss to Switzerland, started Florin
Prunea in goal in place of Bogdan Stelea, who started his team's first two
games in the tournament.
The Americans dominated the early play and even hit the right post on a low
shot from outside the area by John Harkes in the ninth minute.
Romania seemed to content to counter-attack, which resulted in Petrescu's
goal.
A long ball down the left side was crossed over by Ilie Dumitrescu to Florin
Raducioiu.
Raducioiu dribbled across the top of the box before serving a through ball to
Petrescu, who one-time a shot from near the end line inside the penalty area
between U.S. keeper Tony Meola and the near post.
The Americans continued to have the majority of possession in the second
half, but produced only a few scoring chances.
Tom Dooley sent a header just outside the post in the 67th minute and Ernie
Stewart did the same in the 84th, both off corner kicks.
But the Romanians cleared most other crosses into the box and kept the
Americans away from the ball on set pieces.
Romania relied on a counter-attack to keep the U.S. offense back. Gheorge
Hagi curled a free kick from outside the right side of the penalty area in
the 67th minute that Meola had to tip over the bar. Lineups
United States: Tony Meola; Tom Dooley, Marcelo Balboa, Paul Caligiuri,
Fernando Clavijo, Alexi Lalas; John Harkes, Tab Ramos (Cobi Jones, 64th
minute), Mike Sorber (Roy Wegerle, 75th); Ernie Stewart, Eric Wynalda.
Romania: Florin Prunea; Dan Petrescu, Daniel Prodan, Miodrag Belodedici
(Gheorge Mihali, 88th), Gheorghe Popescu, Tibor Selymes; Ioan-Angelo Lupescu,
Dorinel Munteanu, Gheorge Hagi; Ilie Dumitrescu, Florin Raducioiu (Constantin
Galca, 83rd).
Referee: Mario Van der Ende, Netherlands
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378.68 | Discord in camp | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:50 | 76 |
| AP Report
DANA POINT, Calif. (AP) - U.S. soccer players were angry Monday: with each
other, with their coach and with their officials.
Most of the criticism was directed at the U.S. Soccer Federation, which
failed to tell players that two yellow cards in separate first-round games
would result in a one-game suspension. John Harkes will miss the Americans'
second-round game because he got his second yellow card in Sunday's 1-0 loss
to Romania at the Rose Bowl.
"It's embarrassing, actually, to tell you the truth," defender Alexi Lalas
said. "It's the rules of the game. It doesn't matter what your experience is
or how many World Cups you played in, at the very least you should know the
rules of the tournament you're in and we didn't."
The United States likely won't clinch a spot in the second round until
Tuesday at the earliest. Only a bizarre series of results would prevent the
Americans from advancing for the first time since 1930.
Germany's 3-2 victory over South Korea on Monday ensured that if the
Americans do advance, they'll play next Monday at Stanford Stadium against
Brazil or Sweden.
"We proved that anything can happen in the World Cup," Lalas said, "and now
we don't want "anything' to happen."
Most of the team's discussion Monday centered on the yellow card controversy.
USSF executive director Hank Steinbrecher and general manager Bill Nuttall
both misunderstood the rule, and players said the rules hadn't been explained
to them.
Nuttall took the blame Monday. The USSF's appeal of the yellow card, given to
Harkes by referee Mario Van der Ende of the Netherlands for not moving a
two-man wall 10 yards from a free kick, was made after the deadline of one
hour following the game and was denied by FIFA.
"The film clearly shows that Harkes and (Mike) Sorber hadn't moved from the
spot the referee designated," Nuttall said.
Harkes said no one on the U.S. staff had warned him that a second yellow card
would result in a suspension.
"It should have been explained to the players and nothing was made clear to
the players," he said.
Eric Wynalda was the only American player Monday who said the yellow card
rules had been made clear.
"He's the only one on the team I think who knows the rules," Harkes said
sarcastically.
Midfielder Tab Ramos also was unhappy Monday. In the past, Ramos has been a
playmaker in the center of the field, but U.S. coach Bora Milutinovic has him
on the right wing.
"Maybe that's why I got taken out," said Ramos, who was replaced by Cobi
Jones midway through the second half. "I remember Bora yelling at me to stay
wide. ... It's very difficult if you're on the sideline waiting for the ball
to be creative."
Harkes and Marcelo Balboa said that nothing should be made of their yelling
at each other after the yellow card. Both agreed that Balboa was trying to
keep Harkes from getting into further trouble.
Wynalda questioned the referee's impartiality, saying the referee was shaking
hands with Romania's players and patting them on the back.
"I don't know if they had any plans after the game, but it sure looked like
it," Wynalda said.
Meanwhile, the players waited for the rest of the first round to play itself
out. Most didn't concentrate on working out the math.
"If you do that, I think you go crazy," Ernie Stewart said.
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378.69 | USA v Brazil | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Wed Jun 29 1994 01:00 | 7 |
| Today's results mean that the USA definitely qualify for round 2.
That's the good news! The bad news is that they play Brazil in
San Francisco on July 4th. However having just seen a not very
convincing Brazilian team draw with Sweden, I think they have a
chance.
Gerry
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378.70 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR1-3/O13 DTN 237-3016 | Wed Jun 29 1994 10:56 | 1 |
| Not the slightest chance.
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378.71 | anything can happen, but yes, unlikely | ZIGLAR::FOXWELL | OSF/ULTRIX/UNIX Specialist | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:18 | 2 |
| Isn't that what they said about US vs Colombia? :)
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378.72 | Criteria ?? | STRATA::ZAMORA | | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:31 | 26 |
| Re: USA vs Brazil
It's not too clear to me what factor determines what team USA would
play. Looking at the chart, the 3rd team from group A was going to meet
either 1st team from group B or 1st team from group C. Can some one
explain the criteria used here to determine USA vs Brazil ?
Thanks.
A_Colombian_who_was_let_down_by_a_team_that_all_of_us_know_plays_10_times_
better_than_they_did_in_their_first_two_games. :( :(
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378.73 | Clear as mud | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Some Fantastic Place | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:48 | 21 |
| The decision factor for third games goes as follows, I've missed out
combinations including Group C as Korea cannot qualify and included
only those including Gps A&B as both USA and Italy must qualify (with
us so far ;-) )
Top 4 "3rds" A1 B1 C1 D1
plays plays plays plays
ABDE D3 A3 B3 E3
ABEF E3 A3 B3 F3
ADEF D3 A3 F3 E3
Hence, USA (A3) will definately play Brazil (B1), Romania will most
likely play 3rd in Gp D (Bulgaria?) Germany will most likely play
Russia and Argentina (good bet for D1) will most likely play Italy.
That's assuming that the third in Gp F, most likely S Arabia do not
qualify.
Now we will test you on that, with no peeking, in 30 minutes!
Paul
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378.74 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | Vamos Argentina Todavia | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:56 | 12 |
|
> It's not too clear to me what factor determines what team USA would
> play. Looking at the chart, the 3rd team from group A was going to meet
> either 1st team from group B or 1st team from group C. Can some one
> explain the criteria used here to determine USA vs Brazil ?
Once Group C's wildcard possibility was eliminated, the C1 game was
reserved for wildcard from B or F only; the B1 game for wildcard A
(USA)...
glenn
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378.75 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Thu Jun 30 1994 08:25 | 18 |
|
Paul,
don't count your chickens before........
>> That's assuming that the third in Gp F, most likely S Arabia do not
>> qualify.
Saudi finish 2nd in group F where the top 3 teams, Holland, Saudi &
Belgium are all on 6 points. This means that Russia will qualify (&
play Germany) if Bulgaria lose to the Argies tonight. In which case I
make it that they (Argentina) will play Belgium and Rumania play Italy
in the next round. Of course, if the last couple of nights is anything
to go by, Bulgaria will win 7:0 & top the group, Greece will beat
Nigeria 13:0 and qualify ahead of Russia as 4th best 3rd placed team
and Nigeria will go out! 8-)
JBG
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378.76 | Romanian going home | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Thu Jun 30 1994 14:56 | 32 |
| AP report
Vladoiu: First Suspended, Now Sent Home
PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - A Romanian player already banned from three games for
a vicious tackle was thrown out of the World Cup by his own team Wednesday
because of foul behavior on and off the field.
Ion Vladoiu, a forward, will return to Romania on Friday, two days before his
team plays a second-round match at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Calif., a
statement from the Romanian delegation said.
Last week, FIFA, soccer's governing body, suspended Vladoiu for three games
for a brutal tackle on Switzerland's Christophe Ohrel in a first-round game.
That suspension, the longest in recent World Cup history, would have
sidelined Vladoiu through the quarterfinals.
But the Romanians said the tackle, which the statement described as "strong
intervention with one of the opposing players," was only one reason Vladoiu
was sent home.
It also cited "bad behavior displayed by Vladoiu in front of one of the
(Romanian) coaches." The identity of the coach and details of the incident
were not disclosed.
Romania won Group A and will play either Italy or the third-place team from
Group D in the second round.
On Tuesday, defender Stefan Effenberg was kicked off the German team and sent
home for making an obscene gesture at fans who taunted him.
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