Conference trucks::football;1

    
    Belgian teams in first round :
    
     C1 : HJK Helsinki (Fin) or Norma Tallinn (Est) - Anderlecht
    
     C2 : Standard - Cardiff City (Wales)
    
     C3 : IFK Norrkoping (Swe) - KV Mechelen
          Kuusysi Lahti (Fin) - Waregem
          Antwerp - Maritimo Funchal (Pg)
    
    
    

Champions-Cup:  1. round

Honved Budapest vs. Man Utd
Glasgow Rangers vs. Levski Sofia 
Werder Bremen vs. Dynamo Minsk

Cup-Winner:

winner Odense/Celje vs. FC Arsenal
winner Reykjavik/Anjalankoski vs. FC Aberdeen
Bayer Leverkusen vs. Boby Bratislava

UEFA-Cup:

Norwich City vs. Vitesse Arnheim
Slovan Bratislava vs. Aston Villa
Heart of Mid. vs. Atletico Madrid
Dundee Utd. vs. Br�ndby IF
YB Bern vs. Celtic Glasgow
Borussia Dortmund vs. Spartak Wladikawkas
Twente Enschede vs. Bayern Munich
Karlsruher SC vs. PSV Eindhoven
Dynamo Moskau vs. Eintracht Frankfurt

 Christian_BVB_Support_Munich  

 Taken without permission from usenet.....

 European Champions' Cup
Preliminary round, first leg
Cwmbran, Wales 3, Cork City, Ireland, 2
Dynamo Tbilisi, Georgia, 2, Linfield, Northern Ireland, 1
HJK Helsinki, Finland, 1, Norma Tallinn, Estonia, 1
Ekrana, Lithuania,  0, Floriana, Malta 1
Tofta, Faroe Islands,  0, Croatia Zagreb, Croatia 5
Skonto Riga, Latvia, 0, Olimpija Ljubljana, Slovenia 1
Omonia Nicosia, Cyprus, 2, FC Aarau, Switzerland 1
Zimbru Kishinev, Moldova, 1, Beitar Jerusalem, Israel 1

 Cupwinners' Cup
Preliminary round, first leg
Bangor, Northern Ireland, 1, Apoel Nicosia, Cyprus, 1
Karpaty Lvov, Ukraine, 1, Shelbourne, Ireland 0
Nikol Tallinn, Estonia, 0 Lillestrom, Norway, 4
Sliema Wanderers, Malta, 1, Degerfors IF, Sweden, 3
FC Kosice, Slovakia, 2, Zalgiris Vilnuis, Lithuania, 0
FC Lugano, Switzerland, 5, Neman Grodno, Belarus 0

                                                             regards......

                                                                -dave-

Dutch UEFA Cup result


Karlsruhe SC - PSV  2-1

first half was ok second was pretty boring


T_

    
    Nicosia (Cyprus) 0 - Paris Saint Germain  1 
    
    Hibernian Dublin 0 - Girondins Bordeaux   1  
    
    
    

EC

Akranes - Feyenoord 1-0


UEFA cup

Norwich - Vitesse  3-0
FC Twente - Bayern Munich  3-4

    
    The results of the two "substituted" matches due to the UEFA/MArseille
    saga:
     
    
    A.S. Monaco: 1 - A.E.K. Athens: 0
    
    Deportivo Teneriffe: 2 - A.J. Auxerre: 2
    

A good day for the Italian sides involved in the European
competitions, with all the teams getting wins. Now, on with the details:


All games played Wednesday, September 15, 1993:

                           Champions' Cup
                      First Round - First Leg

Aarau (Switzerland)             0       AC Milan (Italy)                1
                                          Papin 9' (2nd)

The RAI commentator stated that there were only 10 000-12 000 fans in
the stands due to the exorbitant ticket prices for this match.
Apparently, prices averaged about 150 S.Fr, which corresponds to about
135 US$, significantly more than the fans there were used to.  At the
10th minute Aarau had a goal called back when their Russian forward
Alexandrov put the ball past the Milan goalkeeper Rossi.
Unfortunately, Alexandrov was offside on the play and the score
remained at 0-0. Milan had a couple of chances with Papin and Massaro,
the later who failed to score on an excellent chance mid-way in the
first half. In the second half, Milan looked more confident and lucid
in their play and finally got on the board nine minutes into the
second half when Papin put in a shot from close range after a pass
from Brian Laudrup. With 5 minutes left in the match Maldini was
injured and was helped off the pitch substituted by Filippo Galli.
Hopefully, Maldini's injury is not serious. Overall, the Swiss side
gave Milan more difficulty than expected with a very tight defense
that stopped numerous offensive opportunities and who also created a
number of scoring chances. Even if Milan scored only one goal, the
away goal should be important for the rossoneri's qualification for
the next round.


                         Cup Winners' Cup
                      First Round - First Leg

Lillestrom (Norway)             0       Torino (Italy)                  2
                                          Silenzi 25'
                                          Jarni   12' (2nd)

Torino leaves Oslo with a very comfortable lead with 2 very important
away goals in their bid to make it through to the second round.
Silenzi opened the scoring at the 25th minute of the first half and
after Jarni added a second, Silenzi was substituted so that the Torino
forward would be in good shape for Sunday's important Italian league
match away to Parma.


                             UEFA Cup
                      First Round - First Leg


Lazio (Italy)                   2       Lokomotiv Plovdiv (Bulgaria)    0
  Casiraghi 22'
  Cravero   10' (2nd)

Casiraghi was the main protagonist in the first half of the match, due
not only to his goal, but also because of a number of plays executed
by himself in conjunction with Signori, even if Casiraghi scored on a
pass from Cravero. Ten minutes into the second half, Lazio added to
their lead when Cravero headed in a free kick taken by Signori. The
Bulgarians played the last 25 minutes with one player short after
Vasev (sp?) was sent off after receiving his second caution of the
match for a reactionary foul on Signori. Lazio had a number of chances
to add to their lead with Signori, Cravero, and Winter, but despite
having control of the match, they failed to score a third goal. A few
minutes later, Doll was sent off for a hard foul, leaving Lazio with
10 players and upon resumption of play, Betekov (sp?) was send off for
the Bulgarians, leaving them with 9 players.



Inter (Italy)                   3       Rapid Bucharest (Romania)       1
  Bergkamp (pk) 12'                       Andragi 7' (2nd)
  Bergkamp 29' (2nd)
  Bergkamp 33' (2nd)

For the Dutch fans out there, both Bergkamp and Jonk started in this
match with Bergkamp teaming up with Schillaci on the attack, and it
was Bergkamp who opened the scoring on a penalty kick, awarded for a
hand ball, which apparently looked involuntary to the reporter, but
not to the German referee. Inter dominated but Rapid played well,
albeit more physically than the nerazzurri, with very dangerous
counter attacks and leaving little space for the Inter players. As the
first half neared its conclusion, Rapid Bucharest started to gain
confidence in their attacks, wanting to take advantage of spaces left
by the Inter side. If Inter looked complacent at the end of the first
half, they came out more aggressively at the start of the second with
Shalimov and Schillaci putting pressure on the Romanian defense.  This
did not stop the Romanians from equalizing at the 7th minute of the
second half when an error by the Inter defense, who expected a shot to
got quietly out were surprised when Andragi (sp?) pursued the ball and
headed it past Zenga, who perhaps came off his line too late.
Twenty-two minutes later, Bergkamp, with an apparently beautiful
volley that the goalkeeper did not have a chance to stop, scored
Inter's second goal, but Rapid's earlier away goal dampened the
celebrations in the stands. Inter looked to add to their lead
pressuring the visiting team with their coach Bagnoli on his feet
urging his players on and 4 minutes after their second goal, Bergkamp
scored his and Inter's third goal. The Dutch forward put a chip past
the Romanian goalkeeper after having received the ball from deep
inside the Inter half of the field. So, the 3-1 lead is a comfortable
one for Inter, but it will be a tough game back in Bucharest, so Inter
is not out of the woods yet.


Juventus (Italy)                3       Lokomotiv Moscow (Russia)       0
  Baggio     4' (2nd)
  Ravanelli 25' (2nd)
  Baggio    42' (2nd)

This game was not played in Torino, but in Bologna. During the first
half the Russians played with all their players in their half of the
field trying to defend as best they could, showing little technical
prowess. Baggio put Juventus on the board, on a play that started on a
free kick taken by Conte which eventually made its way to Moeller, who
passed to Baggio, who put the ball in the top corner of the net, away
from the reach of the Russian goalkeeper. Juve continued the pressure
as the second half continued and almost missed scoring their second 10
minutes later with Baggio attempting to score with the same type of
shot that put Juve on the board. Eleven minutes after that
opportunity, Ravanelli scored Juve's second goal after snapping up a
rebound on Baggio's shot on net.  Moments later, Ravanelli and Baggio
had the chance to make it 3-0 but a pass to Baggio was anticipated by
the Russian defense and thus a potentially dangerous situation was
stopped. Baggio, with a beautiful play gave Juve their third goal 3
minutes from time when the forward deeked his way through the Russian
box before shooting and putting the ball past the goalkeeper. So
Juventus takes a comfortable lead to Moscow and seems in a good
position to make it to the next round, even if the return leg promises
to be a tough one.


The second leg matches will be played on September 29, 1993. The only
Italian team which has yet to play is Cagliari who will meet Dynamo
Bucharest tomorrow (Thursday).

                                                            regards......

                                                                -dave-

         <<< Note 310.8 by KBOMFG::TANNER "U2 are Numbed!!!!!!!!!!!" >>>

> Apparently, prices averaged about 150 S.Fr, which corresponds to about
> 135 US$, significantly more than the fans there were used to.

If this is *significantly* more than they are used to, then what is the average
price of a game over there?  $135 would get people a cosy season ticket in many
premiership grounds this year.

                           James.

re -1

to watch a Swiss first division game at Neuchatel Xamax it costs

  SFr 10 to stand on the uncovered terraces behind the goals
  SFr 14 to stand on the covered terraces at the side of the pitch
  SFr 30 to sit in the stands

current conversion rates are (roughly) 2.3 SFr to the pound, 1.5 SFr to the 
dollar. All children up to age 14 get in free, anywhere in the ground. The stadia
are well run and in good repair, but not as big as the average English premier
division ground - theres nothing like White Hart Lane, Highbury, the Bridge, etc.
I don't know about season tickets.

  Ray

    
    Dundee United 2 Bronby 0         agg  2-2
    
    extre time to be played

    
    Final scores:-
    
    Dundee Utd 3 Bronby 1
    Atletico M 3 Hearts 0
    
    Bronby go through on away goals, Atletico go through on having more
    goals than Hearts 8-(
    
    

	Yesterday's results:

	Teams in uppercase qualify for next round. First match result in ( )

	Wladikawkas        - BOR. DORTMUND  0 : 1   (0 : 0)

	EINTRACT FRANKFURT - Dynamo Moskau  1 : 2   (6 : 0)

	PSV Eindhoven      - KARLSRUHER SC  0 : 0   (1 : 2)


	Eduard

    
    
    	I feel a little sorry for Dundee United. It seems unfair to go out
    on away goals in extra-time.
    
    	What a great result for Karlsruher! It's their first time in Europe
    I think. 
    
    	What happened to Frankfurt? 

    
    re .-1
    
    Yeboah is injured. This explains a lot.
    Also, how much fighting spirit do you expect after a 6-0 away win in
    the first leg. Well, more than Eintracht did show, that's for sure. It 
    was a disgrace.
    
    Heiko

    
    Is that all yesterday's results ? 
    
    Hearts, Dundee, Borussia, Eintracht, KSC-PSV ??
    
    Heiko
    

	Re. -1:

	  Malta        Turkey

	FC Valetta - Trabszonspor   1 : 3     ( 1 : 3)   agg. 2 : 6   :-(

	Eduard ;-)

	BORDEAUX - Bohemians	5 - 0  (1 - 0)

	PSG      - Nicosia      3 - 0  (1 - 0)

    
    Celtic - v - Young Boys Berne has gone to extra time. Goalless at 
    90 mins
    
    Aberdeen are leading 4-0
    
    Archie

	Copenhagen 3 Linfield 0 (extra time being played) (agg 3-3)
	
	Celtic 1 Young Boys 0 (after extra time)	(agg 1-0)

    
    Final score at Aberdeen was 4-0 to the Dons.
    
    Archie

   Ajax - Hadjuk Split  6-0  (agg 6-1)
   Feyenoord - Akranes  3-0  (agg 3-1)
   Vitesse - Norwich    0-0  (agg 0-3)
   Bayern M - FC Twente 3-0  (agg 7-3)

                      
	Austria Wien, AUS  - 	Rosenborg, NOR		4-1 (5-4)
	Torino, ITA	   -	Lillestr�m, NOR		1-2 (3-2)
	Kongsvinger, NOR   -    �ster V�xj�, SWE	4-1 (7-2)


 * Lillestr�m was VERY close to a real sensation in Italy
 * Rosenborg had a 3-1 lead from the first match, but lost the game
   due to a terrible second half, yesterday
 * Kongsvinger made it, following up the successes of our national team !


Bjarne

    Remaining German teams:
    
    M�nchen	- Enschede	3:0	(agg 7:3)
    Br�nn	- Leverkusen	0:3	(agg 0:5)
    Minsk	- Bremen	1:1	(agg 3:6)
    
    Some other interesting results IMHO:
    
    Barcelona	- Kiev		4:1	(agg 5:4)
    Haifa	- Torp.Moscow	3:1	(agg 3:2)
    Lugano	- Real		1:3	(agg 1:6)
    Kattowice	- Benfica	1:1	(agg 1:2)
    Waregem	- Lahti		1:2	(agg 1:6)
    R.Bucresti	- Inter		0:2	(agg 1:5)
    Limassol	- Vac		4:0	(agg 4:2)
    Sporting	- Kocaelispor	2:0	(agg 2:0)
    Lok.Moscow	- Juve		0:1	(agg 0:4)
    Auxerre	- Tenerife	0:1	(agg 2:3)
    Cagliari	- D.Bucresti	2:0	(agg 4:3)
    
    Congrats to Haifa and Lahti. Has any Finnish team ever reached the
    second round? And where are Limassol from ? Malta or Cyprus methinks.
    Good result for them, as well. 
    
    Heiko

Heiko,

Limassol is not from Malta. The Maltese teams Floriana and Valetta are out :-(

Regards

Eduard

    Heiko,
    
    	Lahti69 was in third round in some cup couple of years ago.
    	Lost to Steaua Bukarest (I my memory serves me right Steaua won
    	the cup that year).
    
    	Jyrki

    Limassol are from Cyprus - aren't they the team that Liverpool stuffed
    last season ?
    
    
    Paul

Some interesting results by countries : number of teams who get through
to the second round.


	- ITA : 7 / 7
	- GER : 6 / 6
	- SPA : 6 / 6
	- ENG : 4 / 4
	- BEL : 4 / 5
	- POR : 4 / 5
	- TUR : 3 / 4
	- GRE : 3 / 4
	- AUS : 3 / 4
	- FRA : 3 / 5
	- BUL : 2 / 4
	- SCO : 2 / 4
	- DEN : 2 / 4
	- NED : 2 / 5
	- ROU : 2 / 5
	  ...
	- NOR : 1 / 3
	- HUN : 1 / 4
	- SWI : 1 / 4
	- TCH : 1 / 5
	- USR : 1 / 5
          ...


  Ph./

     Ermmmm
    
       Scotland entered 5 teams this year....
    
       Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts & Dundee Utd.
    
       2/5.....makes worse reading though
    
       colin

    
    	JUst heard a couple of next round ties on German radio;
    
    
    		Bremen v Sophia, the team that knocked out Rangers, won't
    				 be easy for Bremen.
    
    
    		Bayern V Norwich!!!!! Excellent. I'll have to look for a
    				      yellow shirt somewhere.
    
    
    		I reckon Norwich will take Bayern.
    
    
    		Steve

    
    Belgian ones : 
    
    C1 : Sparta Prague - Anderlecht
    
    C2 : Arsenal - Standard
    
    C3 : Salzburg - Antwerp
         Budapest - Mechelen
    

Belgian teams, starting all away


	Sparta Prague (Tsj)	-	Anderlecht

	Arsenal (Eng)		-	Standard


	MTK Budapest (Hon)	-	KV Mechelen
	Salzburg (Aus)		-	Antwerp

Paddy

    
    Re.-1 
    
    I've got you this time Patrick...
    

    Any news from Zurich for italian teams?
    
    Pino

    
    Well the table that listed the success rates for countries made very
    interesting reading. The English teams could certainly do with
    continued involvement as next year they'll still only have two teams in
    the UEFA Cup and really need a good couple of years to supplement the
    loss of the first year back in Europe when Manchester United won the
    Cup Winners Cup. As some of you know the number of teams is calculated
    via a 5 year rolling results table. This years results will be the 5th
    year back in Europe so results had better be good for the English teams
    otherwise they'll be stuck for a few years.
    
    Next year there are 3 countries who will have 4 teams; 5 with 3 teams;
    13 with 2 teams and all other countries with just the one team.
    
    The countries...
    4: Italy, France, Germany   
    3: Spain, Belgium, Russia, Portugal, Holland.
    2: England, Yugoslavia, Roumania, Scotland, Czech, Turkey, Austria,
    Greece, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Poland and Bulgaria.
    
    Italy and Germany look good to maintain the full quota but France and
    Spain look like swapping places. With Holland and Russia doing disastrously
    in the first round it looks as if England should have three teams the
    season after next BUT may go back down to 2 after losing the advantage
    of Unites'd win a few years back. It might well be up to United to do
    well this year to maintain the 3 slots. As for England getting back up
    to 4 slots, I can't seriously see 4 teams before the turn of the
    century. Norwich and Villa to beat the German and Spanish opponents in
    the next round would obviously be a start....
    
    The new Computer table of the best teams in Europe was published
    today...
    
    1. AC Milan.
    2. AC Parma.
    3. Manchester United.  
    4. Inter Milan.
    5. Juventus.
    6. Anderlecht.
    7. Torino.
    8. Spartak Moscow.
    9. Werder Bremen.
    10 Bordeaux.
    
    All very subjective at this stage but is generally based on current 
    points gained in the league this season, domestic cup competition and
    European results all multiplied by a factor of the 5 year country
    strength factor.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.
    

    
    Rep .-1 (The best teams in Europe)
    
    Not really a surprise to see 5 Italians teams from the top 7.
    
    But where are other big names like Ajax, Barcelona, Real Madrid,
    Marseille, (Liverpool ?) ?
                              

    
    Well lokk here Liverpool and Real Madrid are in their respective
    league tables. Marseille are not in Europe and are ranked about 50th.
    Barcelona lost one of their matches in Europe and Holland has a lower
    country ranking (8th I believe ).
    As I say it is all very subjective. A prime example would be Eintract
    Frankfurt. They are ranked about 35th. Had they won the meaningless
    (almost) game in their UEFA 2nd leg then they would be ranked 10th.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Dezzz. 

Anyone know who Servette (Swiss) have got in the UEFA 2nd round ?

Thanks.

Andy

> Anyone know who Servette (Swiss) have got in the UEFA 2nd round ?
	I think it is Bordeaux, first leg in Bordeaux...
	
							.Andre.

    Will portuguese teams defeat their oppositors?
    
    Porto-Feyenord(hol)   35%-65%  porto is at a bad moment....
    Celtic(sco)-Sporting  40%-60%  Bobby Robson knows how to do it...
    Benfica-CSKA(bul)     65%-35%  J.Pinto,Isaias,R.Costa,V.Paneira.....
    Lazio(ita)-Boavista   50%-50%  watch out these team....they called them
                                   the black panthers
    
    
    If you do not agree....reply!!!
    
    cheers,
    
    luis.
    

    
    The French results:
    
    Girondins Bordeaux - Servette Geneve:      2 - 1
    
    Paris St Germain - Univ. Craiova:          4 - 0
    
    A.S. Monaco - Steaua Bucharest             4 - 1 
    
    
    Pierre-Yves

    Portuguese results:
    
    Benfica  3   CSKA   1
    Celtic   1   Sporting  0
    Lazio    1   Boavista  0
    Porto    1   Feyenoord 0
    
    see you on the next leg!
    
    luis.
    

    Italian results:
    
    Copenaghen - Milan  0 - 6  <--- !!!
    
    Haifa - Parma	0 - 1
    Torino - Aberdeen   3 - 2
    
    Trabzonspor - Cagliari 1 - 1
    Kogsvinger - Juventus  1 - 1
    Inter - Apollon        1 - 0
    Lazio - Boavista       1 - 0
    
    a good performance
    
    Pino

    re .42
    Luis,
    
    I don't agree with you concerning the luck of Porto. I saw the match on
    TV and got shocked about the behaviour of the Porto players/coach.
    Where they were the better footballers, more then once they behaved
    like butchers ! The way they went into duels was absolutely despitable.
    And when John de Wolf was knocked out by Carlos (?) a red card would
    have been the least.....but nothing happened. Looking at the number of
    cards ( 5 for Feijenoord and 4 for Porto) you would presume something
    else but was absolutely not a reflection of the game. Feijenoord aren't
    the sweetest club but this time they kept very calm. And when Bosz got
    his red card for talking, I thought that was the limit. How can you, as
    referee, pass so many mean fouls and sent someone away for talking ?
    After that sentaway Porto got more of the game and scored far after
    closing time (94th minute !). And that is no luck ? No, I think that
    Porto should have played football because they were the better club.
    But after this they should be banned for the season ! Wondering what
    the UEFA decides if they look at the pictures......
    
    John

    
    	Did anyone see Benfica's third goal in the last minute of the game
    against Sofia? Cor blimey! Some Swedish guy (?) hit it from 25 yards or 
    so and it was still going up when it slammed into the top corner. If the 
    net hadn't been there it would have ended up in the Atlantic! 
    
    	Saw it on Europsort accompanied by the dulcet tones of Archie
    McPherson. I used to think this guy knew what he was talking about, now
    I'm not even sure he's watching the same game as the rest of us.

    
    Surely you don't mean dear old Archie, the guy who insisted that
    Rijkaard was well offside last Wednesday??
    
    JBG

    
    Cup Winners:
    
    Bayer Leverkusen	- Panathinaikos Athens		1:2	agg. 5:3
    
    UEFA
    
    Karlsruher SC	- FC Valencia			7:0	agg. 8:3
    
    
    Heiko
    

The two sensations of yesterdays Euro Cup games must be

	KARLSRUHE - Valencia         7 : 0   agg 8:3

and

	OFI KRETA - Atletico Madrid  2 : 0   agg ??

Definitely a black day for spanish football!!!

The Karlsruhe game was really fun watching. The reporter went crazy!!
4 of the 7 goals were scored by Edgar Schmidt, who  only last week survived
a heavy car accident unharmed overturning 4 times. As the reporter said:
"A goal for each overturn". His new nickname is Edgar "looping" Schmidt. :-)
What I found impressive was that after the 3-0 lead at halftime, which
would have been enough to qualify, Karlsruhe didn't step down a gear to 
defend the lead, but continued with lovely attacking football. I don't
think many would have expected that from a german team ;-).
The fans kept celebrating the whole night through.

Eduard 

Besiktas - Ajax  0-4  (1-2)  agg 1-6

    Juventus - Kongsvinger  2-0    agg 3-1

Teams in UPPERCASE qualify, results in () i.e. first leg

CHAMPIONS CUP:

	WERDER BREMEN	-	Lewski Sofia	1:0     (2:2)
	SPARTAK MOSCOW	-	Lech Posen	2:1	(5:1)
	Steaua Bucarest -	AS MONACO	1:0	(1:4)
	GALAT. INSTANBUL -	Manchester Utd  0:0	(3:3)
	Austria Vienna	-	BARCELONA	1:2	(0:3)
	F. Rotterdam	-	FC PORTO	0:0	(0:1)
	AC MILAN	-	FC Kopenhagen	1:0	(6:0)

CUP WINNERS CUP:

	LEVERKUSEN	-	Pan. Athens	1:2	(4:1)
	Bes. Istanbul	-	Ajax Amsterdam	0:4	(1:2)
	Uni. Craiova	-	PARIS SG	0:2	(0:4)
	ZSKA Sofia	-	Benfica Lisbon	1:3	(1:3)
	AC PARMA	-	Maccabi Haifa	3:2 a.P.(1:0)
	Standard Liege	-	ARSENAL FC	0:7	(0:3)
	Aberdeen FC	-	AC TORINO	1:2	(2:3)
	REAL MADRID	-	W. Innsbruck	3:0	(1:1)

UEFA CUP:

	KARLSRUHER SC	-	FC Valencia	7:0	(1:3)
	Dnjepropetrowsk	-	E. FRANKFURT	1:0	(0:2)
	BOR. DORTMUND	-	B. Maribor	2:1	(0:0)
	NORWICH CITY	-	Bayern Munich	1:1	(2:1)
	MTK Budapest	-	KV MECHELEN	1:1	(0:5)
	FC Antwerpen	-	Aus. Salzburg	0:1	(0:1)
	OFI Kreta	-	Atletico Madrid 2:0	(1:1)
	AS Nikosia	-	INTER MILAN	3:3	(0:1)
	B. KOPENHAGEN	-	KU Lahti	3:1	(4:1)
	Aston Villa	-	LA CORU�A	0:1	(1:1)
	US CAGLIARI	-	Trabzonspor	0:0	(1:1)
	Serv. Geneva	-	GIR. BORDEAUX	0:1	(1:2)
	SPORT. LISBON	-	Celtic Glasgow	2:0	(0:1)
	Ol. Piraeus	-	CD Tenerife	-:-	(1:2) Played today
	Boavista Porto  -	Lazio Roma	-:-	(0:1) Played today

That's all folks!! ;-)

Eduard

            
    Good report Eduard. But you forgot an important one :
    
    CHAMPIONS CUP:
    
        ANDERLECHT      -       Sparta Praha    4:2     (1:0)
    
    
    
    Philippe

You're right, I had it written down, but must have overseen it while
typing in the results.

Sorry

Eduard

    
    Well the Italians and Germans are looking pretty dominant with a
    full hand in the two major trophies and between them a likely potential
    of 7 from 16 in the Uefa Cup.
    
    On the way Norwich performed last night none of the other 15 teams
    would relish a draw against them. Contrary to what certain noters have 
    said about English football in Europe, its alive and well but only
    if the manager does his 'homework' as obviosly Graham and Walker did;
    as for Atkinson and Ferguson....can't understand how experienced
    managers like this can be caught out like this !!
    
    Dezzz.
      

    
    who scored three successes out of three teams last night...
    
    Monaco
    Bordeaux
    Paris St. Germain
    
    are all through to their respective next stages (one in each cup).

    
    the very same for the portuguese teams :
    
    F.C.Porto
    Benfica
    Sporting
    
    And today will have Boavista against Lazio.It will be very dificult
    but...it`s not impossible!!!!
    
    re.44
    
    John,
    
    Who laughs last laughs the best...I think that you were very unfair
    doing that kind of comments!
    
    Cheers,
    Luis

    
    reply .previous (three clubs out of three)
    
    Remember that both Portugal and France have started the Euro cups
    with 5 teams, not 3.
    
    Therefore all their points have to be devided by 5. That's how UEFA
    makes their Euro teams table over the years.
    
    

    
    .....and how many former European cup winners went out last night
    
    

    
    Boavista did it!
    
    Boavista 2 - 0 Lazio 
    
    Luis.

    
    Any news from Geneva ? 
    
    What are the matches for the UEFA 1/8 finals, and in the 
    Champions League ?
    
    
    
    Philippe

    
    
    			     Champions Cup.
    	
    			1 Round - 24th November
    
    				Group A.			
    
    		       AS Monaco   v   Spartak Moskau				
    	    Galatasaray Istanbul   v   FC Barcelona
    				
				Group B.
    
		  RSC Anderlecht   v   AC Milan
    		        FC Porto   v   Werder Bremen
    
    			    -------o-------
    
    			    Cup Winners Cup
    
    			� Finals - 2/16 March '94
    
    		Benfica Lissabon   v   Bayer Leverkusen
    		  Ajax Amsterdam   v   Ac Parma
    		       AC Torino   v   Arsenal
    		     Real Madrid   v   Paris St-Germain
    
    			    -------o-------
    
    				UEFA Cup
    
    		       3rd Round - 24.11/8.12 '93
    
    	     Eintracht Frankfurt   v   La Coruna
    	      Brondby Kopenhagen   v   Borussia Dortmund
    	      Girondins Bordeaux   v   Karlsruher SC
    	       Sporting Lissabon   v   Austria Salzburg
    		     US Cagliari   v   KV Mechelen
    		    Norwich City   v   Inter Milan
    		  Boavista Porto   v   OFI Kreta
    		  Juventus Turin   v   CD Teneriffa
    
    
    'scuse any spelling mistakes
    
    Cheers, Paul

    Some good draws there. I think that any of the Cup winnners cup
    pairings would have made a good final.

    Excluding the Champions cup, all the Italian (5) and German (4) teams
    avoided each other. No disrespect to other teams but German - Italian 
    Finals could be on the cards.

    Italy. 	6 teams left
    Germany. 	5 ----"----
    Portugal.	4 ----"----
    Spain. 	4 ----"----
    France.	3 ----"----
    Belgium.	2 ----"----
    England.	2 ----"----
    
    plus I think one team from Russia, Turkey, Holland,
    Denmark, Greece and Austria.
    
    
    P

    Champions' league group B looks difficult.
    
    Real Madrid against Paris SG, a remake of last year
    
    Thierry

    re .57 Luis	: I am glad you can laugh about it and don't fear ; I laugh
                  too because I am Ajax-fan. But why where my comments
    about the match in Porto not correct according to you ? I mean I was
    very objective about this game...????  And after the second mtch I
    believe that both clubs don't belong in the Champions League.
    
    John

    
    re. 65  
    
    Ok John,i have to agree with you in one point:both games(Porto and
    Roterdam) were not very good examples of how to play football!
    When i said that you were very unfair,i was refering to that part when
    you said that Porto should be banned for the season!Why?
    Things like that(when J.Carlos hit the Feeyenord player)
    are,unfortunettly,very common in football.You must agree that he
    wouldn`t have done it if he hadn`t a good reason...
    I agree that he should have seen the red card but...
    The very same happened in Roterdam when F.Couto was on the floor and
    Feeyenord number 5 hit him!Then there was a big confusion ,and red
    cards?None!
    When i said that who laughs ...bla...bla...i was thinking in Feeyenord
    players and fans who said that a war was expecting Porto when they
    arrived at Roterdam ,and that they would end up the game on knees...
    It was nothing personal John!
    In fact,i`m a fan of your team.I love your attack football!
    You could call me crazy but in Porto they are trying to build up a
    school to "make" young players like Ajax do.Hear in Portugal ,Porto is
    the team who has the more players in the main team that were made in
    the "house".
    Oh,another thing: you could be certain that Porto`s quality of football
    will increase in this final league.Do you remember the last year game
    PSV  0 - 1  PORTO ?That was the really Porto!!!
    
    Cheers,
    Luis.
    
    PS-Good luck for Ajax`s career in your league.And also in the European
    cup(I don`t like Benfica....).

    re-1 OK Luis, clear to me. Oh yes, I saw that red card in Rotterdam
    too! But when I had seen the match in Porto I was really surprised that
    nothing was done against it. I said Feijenoord are no sweeties
    themselves but I couldn't approve some of Porto's actions....Especially
    because they played much better football between these incidents then
    Feijenoord. I think by playing as they were doing they blocked
    themselves more then Feijenoord.............And they have ofcourse
    plenty of time to prove that they can play in the Champions League !
    And I think the media tried to make it look like a war before the
    match. Here in Holland the Feijenoord players said very clear that they
    were not out for fighting. And so it was ; they were tensed but seldom
    in a fighting mood.......and van Loen was asking for red !
    And probably the media in Portugal were as the dutch trying to present
    the match before that it would be a battlefield. The players were wise
    enough to stay cool !
    I think it's good that Porto is going to put up a Football school as
    here Ajax and PSV have. It enables clubs to trace and coach good
    players in an early stage. You would wonder if you would see how many
    good players Ajax have in its younger teams. But how many will come
    trough.........
    Well, Luis, perhaps in the future we can watch a game together and
    watch a nice game with good football and without fouls ! See you then,
    
    John  

    
    
    And he was champion ,wasn`t he?
    This is the second time he is training Porto.On the first one (87/88)
    Porto defeat Ajax for the UEFA Supercup.That was Porto golden
    year!European champions,UEFA Supercup,World champions....Good times!
    Now,he is doing a revolution!Changing players positions,putting the
    team with 4!!!! central defenders, 2!!!! liberos and so on....
    I hope that this changes result,but.......
    
    Regards,
    Luis.

    
    We had Ivic in France, during several years, training PSG and 
    Marseille...
    
       It was a nightmare.. Not that the results were bad, but the
    spectacle was awful, due to his extremely defensive options, and his
    constant willingness to "convert" forwards to defenders. With Ivic, it
    was frequent to see for instance left wingers having to play defender 
    right side and vice-versa.
    Consequences: less spectators
                  communication problems with the players, and eventually
                  with the staff.
    
      IVIC ?   NO THANKS ! 
    

    re -1 Yes, the same with Ajax. When he was our trainer he focused to
    much on defense, got a fight with the players and was friendly
    requested to leave !
    Sometimes he gave strange instructions to his players that confused
    them in the field.....

    
    UEFA Cup:
    
         Bordeaux (F) - Karlsruhe (GE)  1 - 0   (Zidane 80')
    
    
    PYV    

    
    
    Portuguese result:
    
    OFI Creta (Grecia) 1 - 4  Boavista
                              Artur(3)
    			      Ricky
    
    What a game! I keep telling,be carefull with Boavista!They probably
    have the best "portuguese" line attack : Marlon(Brasil),Artur(Brasil)
    and Ricky(Nigeria)!
    Next one please....
    
    Luis.

    
    Last results in the Champions league:
    
    Galatasaray - Barcelona    0 - 0
    Monaco      - Moskow       4 - 1
    
    Porto       - Bremen       3 - 2
    Anderlecht  - AC Milan     0 - 0
    
    UEFA
    
    Norwich     - Inter        0 - 1
    
    PYV

    Yesterday result in the C.L.:
    
    Milan - Porto	3 - 0		Raducioiu
    					Panucci
    					Massaro
    
    I was very impressed by Savicevic, but all the guys played very well.
    
    We palyed without Tassotti, Lentini, Van Basten, Eranio , Laudrup,
    Boban, Desailly, Simone...
    
    Milan played with this footballers:
    	
    				Rossi
    
    	Panucci		Baresi		Costacurta	Maldini
    
    		Albertini		Donadoni
    
    Savicevic						Massaro
    
    			Raducioiu	Papin
    
	Any comment??

    
    
    No comments...The only thing i can do,as a Porto fan, is give you the  
    congratulations for your excellent victory.There`s no doubt that you
    are the favourites in our group!
    You know,when Porto enter the game we were going to play for the 0-0
    but the first goal just blew it up! And then the show begins...
    In the second half Ivic changes were a little bit crazy! F.Couto as a
    foaward...Semedo as a libero...dear god!!
    I just hope that we could get the second place because the first one has
    already a owner...
    
    Cheers,
    Luis.

I found that watching AC last night was incredible. I can't remember the 
last time I saw a team that played so well together, everybody knowing their job in 
the team and doing it superbly. And the skill on the ball displayed by each and every
player was astonishing. This really was the finest football. Absolutely awesome.

Sometimes I had the impression that somehow they managed to have the whole team in 
defense, the whole team in midfield, the whole team in attack, and always completely 
organised, nobody getting in the way of anybody else. 

I believe that Porto are a good team, but last night they hadn't the faintest chance.

Gordon.

    
    re: -1 
    
    Described perfectly. I could add nothing more.
    
    Peter(An Impartial Celt)
    
    P.S
    
    Why is Savic...etc left out of the team ? He was brilliant !!!

    Peter,
    
    we have 7 players coming from another country but yesterday three of
    them were injuried (Van Basten, Laudrup, Boban), one of them (Desailly)
    didn't play for UEFA rules. So Papin, Savicevic and Raducioiu have had
    the chance to play.
    
    You can understand how is difficult for a trainer to chose among this
    kind of players. These are the kind of problems every trainer would like
    to have, I know, but they are problems.
    
    Savicevic is a champion, yesterday night he demonstrated it again, but
    he don't like to play in the right side of the forward line as Capello
    would like.  Even yesterday, sometimes he went to midfield. In other
    words, he hasn't the tactical discipline that our trainer likes.
    
    I hope he will play more in the future, I would like to see him with
    Marco Van Basten.
    
    Ciao
    
    Pino
    

    I for one am convinced that Savicevic is one of the 2 or 3 best players
    in the world at the moment. The fact that he seems to lack the tactical
    discipline to fit in at Milan does nothing to change thi s view. Let's
    hope that last night's game is the turning point.
    
    On a slightly different note, I think it has to be said that no Milan
    fan ever seems to have a clear idea as to what the basic starting
    lineup is. Obviously they do have an extraordinary playing staff, but
    whenever they drop a point it can be infuriating to hear their
    supporters explain it away by saying: "...but we were without
    Raducioiu, Donadoni, Tassotti and Carbone" (or any 4 players chosen at
    random). 
    
    After all, only eleven can play!
    
    Dom 

    re -2 Pino  
    
    Pino,
    
    Don't put to much hope on Marco van Basten. Two days ago he visited
    another surgeon, in Spain this time. He was accompanied by Cruyff. No
    good news there ; another operation and six (!) months recovery. That
    means no AC Milan and no World Cup this year........
    Untill now AC Milan hasn't give permission for the operation.....
    
    John

    
    Well from what I've just heard, UEFA has just decided to change again
    the European Cup Champions. 
    
    Really complex but I'll try to explain.
    
    48 teams normally begins the cup. (47 plus the former champion ?)
                                      
                       48
                      /  \
                    24   24          The 24 teams with the best European
                   /  \    \         positions stay in the cup, the 24 others
                  /    \  UEFA       are playing in the UEFA cup.
                 /      \
                8       16           The 8 best teams are qualified. The 16
                |        |           other play a first round in two legs.
                8        8
                 \      /
                  \    /
                    16               The 16 remaining teams are splitted in
                   /||\              4 groups of 4 and plays as today 6
                  / || \             matches. The top 2 of each groups are
                 / /  \ \            qualified.
                4  4  4  4
                |  |  |  |
                2  2  2  2 
                 \ \  / /
                  \ || /
                   \||/
                    8                1/4 finals
                    |
                    4                1/2 finals
                    |
                    2                final
                    |
                    1 <==    The champion
    
    
    I don't know yet who are the best 24 teams. And in them, the best 8.
    But we're really on the way to the real Champion's League. The next step 
    towards it would be to qualify all best European teams, without even
    being champion in their country league.
    
         
    Philippe

>    I don't know yet who are the best 24 teams. And in them, the best 8.
>    But we're really on the way to the real Champion's League. The next step 
>    towards it would be to qualify all best European teams, without even
>    being champion in their country league.
    
I believe the 'best' teams are going to be selected by considering how much 
money their TV company is providing. So at least the German, Italian, French 
(?) and English champions will qualify easily. Interesting that it's assumed 
that the English champions will be picked - we aren't supposed to have an 
'English' TV company. Tough luck Motherwell!

I wish they would just get on and make it a League - calling it a Cup and then 
restricting it to the big names is just a farce.

grahame

    re: .82
    I couldn't agree more!
    
    UEFA and FIFA are proving themselves to be two of the most scandalous
    organizations in the world sporting arena. The early rounds of the
    European cup competitions this year have produced umpteen surprises
    and, as far as I know, two "thrashings": an English club beating a
    Belgian club and a German club defeating a Spanish club. The "minnows"
    have for the most part given an excellent account of themselves.
    
    The Italian clubs, generally acknowledged as being the strongest in
    Europe, have all struggled to beat against "minor" opposition (Inter
    4-3 against a team from Cyprus, Juventus 3-1 against Norwegians, Milan
    1-0 against Aarau of Switzerland, Palma *on penalties* against a team
    from Israel, etc.). But Berlusconi's TV empire is now the deciding
    force in Europe and these countries are now to be banished to
    competitions for the "inferior" clubs.
    
    I think it stinks.
    
    Dom 
                                         

    
    Karlsruher SC	- Girondins Bordeaux	3:0		agg. 3:1
    
    Edgar Schmitt made is 7th and 8th goal in his 6th Euro-match.
    A red-card offence by Karlsruhe's number 4 went unnoticed. 
    
    
    Deportivo La Coru�a - Eintracht Frankfurt	0:1		agg. 0:2
    
    0:8 points and 0:10 goals in the Bundesliga, but the Cup seems to
    be another matter.
    
    
    Austria Salzburg	- Sporting Lisbon (?)	3:0 aet		agg  3:2
    
    Heiko

    
>>    Karlsruher SC	- Girondins Bordeaux	3:0		agg. 3:1
    
>>    Edgar Schmitt made is 7th and 8th goal in his 6th Euro-match.
>>    A red-card offence by Karlsruhe's number 4 went unnoticed. 
    
      This match was pretty rough, red_card for the French center forward
      after hitting a player right in the face. I agree that the Karlsruhe
      should have gone too for that offence. They had the close up camera
      right on him when he was about to hit the player in his private
      parts, but switched cameras immediately when they noticed what was 
      about to happen (IMO Very dirty offence and completely unnecessary).
      This action was an indication of how much those teams hated each
      other. I was surprised how the Italian ref kept so cool. Could it
      be that he's used to it from home ;-).
    
      Nevertheless, it was an exciting game with Karlsruhe hitting the 
      post twice within 60 seconds and a Bordeaux player "clearing" the
      ball 1m in front of the Karlsruhe goal! Karlsruhe goalie Oliver Kahn
      played brilliantly under the eyes of National coach Berti Vogts. He
      fully deserves to go to the US next year. Kirijakow and Edgar Schmidt
      were again outstanding, though Kirijakow occasionally was a bit too
      egoistic and tried to score himself where a pass would have been 
      better.
    
      Eduard
    

    Came home, switched on the telly ...
    
    Werder Bremen playing RSC Anderlecht. Must have been aroung 50/55th 
    minute. Switched to videotext: Bremen - Anderlecht 0:3. 
    
    Switched off the telly. Did some work in the house. 
    Came back to telly.
    
    Slow-motion: Otto Rehagel jumping and shouting.
    Switched to videotext: Bremen - Anderlecht 2:3.
    Continued to watch the match.
    80 mins	still 2:3
    
    81 mins	3:3 Hobsch
    
    84 mins	4:3 Bode
    
    89 mins	5:3 Rufer
    
    Great match. Later on the highlights I also saw the Anderlecht goals.
    The 3-0 by Boffin was a real cracker. 
    
    The match was a cracker. I even felt sorry for the Belgians.
    
    SV Werder Bremen	- RSC Anderlecht	5:3	(0:3)
    
    Rufer 66'		  Albert 16'
    Bratseth 72'	  Boffin 27'  33'
    Hobsch 81'
    Bode 84'
    Rufer 89'
    
    Heiko

    
    Visions of that Bremen v Sp. Moscow game 5 years ago.
    or Bremen v Dresden from around the same period.
    
    Brilliant game....now why can't all games be like that......
    
    So its 3 German teams, 3 Italian , an Austrian and a Portoguese.
    
    Odds on an Salzburg v Porto Final ????
    
    Dezzz. 

    
    Great game indeed, from one side at least :-(
    
    A lot of errors from the goalies. The first and last goal of Anderlecht
    are clear errors from the goalie. One of Bremen goal plus the last one
    are also the goalkeeper's fout.
    
    Bremen managed to put the turbo on. Anderlecht didn't follow (in their
    legs and in their heads). However, 90 spectacular minutes to watch.
    
    Philippe
    

    
    I keep asking myself what would be the final result of Porto-Werder
    Bremen if the game had 5, 10 minutes more....
    
    Luis.
    

    
    Well Luis, I thought for a moment last night that a 3-2 scoreline might
    repeat itself. This group might go down to the last set of games.
    
    Dezzz. 

    UEFA 1/4-Finals:
    
                    Dortmund   -   Inter Mailand
                    Frankfurt  -   Austria Salzburg
                    Boavista Porto  -  Karlsruhe
                    US Cagliari  -  Turin (C)
    
    Looks like a repetition of last seasons final Dortmund - Juve.
                    

    What was the result of yesterday's (if it actually was yesterday...)
    Super Cup game between AC Milan and Parma ???
    
    Who scored ? Which foreigners played for AC ?
    
    Thanks in advance, Eric

 
  Sensini
  Crippa

 foreigners

 Papin          Sensini
 Desailly       Brolin
 Laudrup        Asprilla

    And Parma pretty much dominated for most of the 120 minutes - they seem
    to have the Indian sign over AC Milan. They're a very intelligent team
    and are going through a great period of form at the moment. In fact, it
    was no surprise to me that they won. The stars for Parma were Zola,
    Brolin, Benarrivo and Asprilla (but the whole team played well). The
    best player for AC Milan was Desailly.
    
    Only sour note for Parma was the bookings for Minottin (capt.), Di
    Chiara and Benarrivo, all of whom will miss the Cup Winners' Cup
    quarter final vs. Ajax. So much for having the originally designated
    Dutch ref replaced!
    
    Dom

  Dom are you sure they can't play in the next round???? I didn't think that a
game like that would affect you in the Euro cups if you got booked.. 

   Yea your right about Parma, they will be a team for the future in Italy and
they also have a lot of money backing from the foods company "Parmalat" The
president of Parma owns the company, and the manager of Parma is also one of the
companys managers. Another little pice of info regarding Milan is that they
conceded the first goal in 590 mins of football, and so far this season they
have only conceded 8 league goals in about 22 matches, and I believe Sampdoria
put 3 past them....

   Milan are sorely missing the services of Lentini, and Van Basten.... 

                                                                   -dave-

  >Dom are you sure they can't play in the next round???? I didn't think that a
  >game like that would affect you in the Euro cups if you got booked.. 
    
    Well, I watched the game on Italian TV and the commentators seemed more
    worried about the possibility of Parma players being banned for the
    Ajax match than the outcome of the Milan-Parma game itself! Parma went
    into the match with 8 players on one booking, so they were in a risky
    situation. They've now lost both 3/4 of their defence including the
    captain. 
    
    The background to the story is that a Dutch ref had originally been
    assigned to this 2nd leg of the Supercup, but UEFA decided to replace
    him with a German because they thought he'd be in an embarassing
    position, given that Parma were due to play Ajax in the Cup Winners'
    Cup (didn't make a lot of difference, did it?!). Parma actually sent a
    telegram to the Dutchman *after* the decision had been taken, saying
    that they were sorry and would have been quite happy to have him
    officiate, etc. Well, if you believe that...
    
    Come to think of it, you're a Liverpool supporter, aren't you? I seem
    to recall Liverpool using a Supercup game against Juventus a few years
    back to allow a disqualified Kenny Daglish to be elegible to play in a
    European Cup quarter final. So I guess they're treated like any other
    "international" club game. Same goes for the Intercontinental Cup.
    
    Dom
    
    

    re: .96
    
    I forgot to tackle the other points you made.
    
    >Yea your right about Parma, they will be a team for the future in Italy and
    >they also have a lot of money backing from the foods company "Parmalat" The
    >president of Parma owns the company, and the manager of Parma is also one 
    >of the companys managers. 

    Yep, they'll be a team for the future; they've got just about
    everything right. Money talks in Italy (more than anywhere else) and
    the reality is that we're more than halfway through the season and the
    Serie A table looks very familiar: Milan, Juventus, Parma, Sampdoria,
    Lazio, Inter, Napoli, Torino, Roma in the top half - and Lecce,
    Cremonese, Udinese, Reggiana, Piacenza and co. trying to avoid
    relegation. Moral: if you want to challenge for honours, you'd better
    be able to afford three (or more) top class foreigners.
     
    >Milan are sorely missing the services of Lentini, and Van Basten.... 
    
    More Van Basten than Lentini. So far, Lentini *hasn't* been considered
    a success at Milan (partly why they bought Laudrup for this season),
    especially considering what they paid for him. He's back now, and can
    be excused for not immediately showing top form, but he'll need to get
    his act together if he wants to go the U.S. or even if he wants to be
    part of the Milan setup next year. Many Milan supporters blame him for
    the defeat against Marseille and he was frequently booed last season.
    He rarely seems to get to the byline and has acquired an infuriating
    habit of curling in harmless crosses with his right foot (Milan play
    him on the left wing) that are easy meat for any goalkeeper ;-)  
    
    Dom

Some 1/4 final results :


1. Champions League 

	Group A   AS Monaco - Galatasaray      3 - 0
                  Spartak Moskow - Barcelona   2 - 2


                  1. Monaco          3  2  0  1  7  3   4
                  2. Barcelona       3  1  2  0  4  2   4
                  3. Spartak Moskow  3  0  2  1  3  6   2
                  4. Galatasaray     3  0  2  1  0  3   2


        Group B   Milan AC - Werder Breme    2 - 1
                  Anderlecht - Porto         1 - 0


                  1. Milan AC        3  2  1  0  5  1   5
                  2. Anderlecht      3  1  1  1  4  5   3
                  3. Werder Breme    3  1  0  2  8  8   2
                  4. Porto           3  1  0  2  3  6   2


2. Cup Winnars Cup


                  Benfica - Bayer Leverkusen  1 - 1
                  Torino - Arsenal            0 - 0

       Tonight :  Ajax - Parma
                  Real Madrid - Paris SG


3. UEFA Cup 


                  Borussia Dortmund - Inter Milan  1 - 3                  
                  Cagliari - Juventus              1 - 0
                  Boavista Porto - Karlsruhe       1 - 1

       Tonight :  Casino Salzbourg - Eintracht Frankfurt

Casino Salzburg - Eintracht Frankfurt        1:0

Today the game in Germany.

Heribert

    
    
    Porto 	- 	Anderlecht		2 - 0
    
    Drulovic    10m
    Secretario  90m
    
    Luis.
    

    Can anyone post an update for the Euro cup last wednesday ?
    Thanks in advance, Thierry

    Champions League:
    
    Galatasaray - Monaco        0-2
    Barcelona - Spartak Moscow  5-1
    
    Barcelona and Monaco 6 pts.
    Galat. and Spartak   2 pts.
    
    Bremen - Milan	 1-1
    Porto - Anderlecht   2-0
    
    Milan 6 pts.
    Porto 4 pts.
    Anderl. and Bremen 3 pts.
    
    Cup Winners Cup
    
    Parma - Aiax 2-0 (great match)
    Arsenal - Turin  1-0
    PSG - Real Madrid 1-1
    ? - Benfica 4-4  
    
    Parma, Arsenal, Benfica and PSG qualified
    
    UEFA CUP
    
    Juventus - Cagliari 1-2
    Inter - Dortmund    1-2
    Frankfurt - Salzburg 4-5 (after pen.)
    Boavista - Karslruhe 1-1??
    
    Cagliari, Inter, Salzburg and Karslruhe qualified.
    
    Pino

Here are the draws of the E-cups:

Cupwinners cup:
Paris St. Germain (France) - Arsenal (England), 
Benfica (Portugal) - Parma (Italy).

Uefa-cupen:
Austria Salzburg (Austria) - Karlsruhe (Germany), 
Cagliari (Italy) - Inter (Italy).

1st leg will be played 29th or 30th of March,
2nd leg 12th or 13th of April.
The teams named first will play the 1st leg home.

Well, we couldnt have asked for more. Glad to miss parma. Hope to have a great
atmosphere for the second leg at Arsenal.

    Is there anyone in France who can get me four tickets for the Paris St
    Germain game in Paris?
    
    Mike M      

Thanks for all your postings...

    
    
    PORTO!!!PORTO!!!PORTO!!!
    Sorry but i've no other words to express the way i'm feeling...
    Thank you mr.Robson for this game...
    I'll never forget it! Never!
    
    
    Luis( um portista , muito , muito feliz! )

    
    Ups... i forgot to put the game result:
    
    Werder Bremen - 0	F.C.Porto - 5
    
    			Rui Filipe
    			Kostadinov
    			Secretario
    			Domingos (what a goal!)
    			Timofte
    
    I must not forget our goalkeeper V.Baia and our central F.Couto ( the
    long hair one). They were our best players !
    
    
    
    Luis.

    
    re- .64,65,66...
    
    	Hi John,
    
    	I think that you now have another opinion, haven't you?
    	Ivic out, Robson in , and the show begins!!
    	Sorry for Ajax, now i would like that Benfica win it.
    
    	Luis.
    
    	

    Results:
        
    Champions League:
    
    Barcelona - Galatasaray     3-0
    Spartak Moscow - Monaco     0-0
    
    Barcelona	8
    Monaco      7 
    Spartak     3
    Galat.      2
        
    Milan - Anderlecht  0-0
    Bremen - Porto      0-5 !!!!!
        
    Milan       7 
    Porto       6
    Anderl      4
    Bremen      3 
    
    Cup Winners Cup
    
    Benfica - Parma	2-1
    P.S.G.  - Arsenal   1-1
    
    UEFA CUP
    
    Salzburg - Karlsruhe 0-0
    Cagliari - Inter     3-2
        
    Pino
    
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    Champions League:
    
    Barcelona - Galatasaray     3-0
    Spartak Moscow - Monaco     0-0
    
    Barcelona	8
    Monaco      7 
    Spartak     3
    Galat.      2
        
    Milan - Anderlecht  0-0
    Bremen - Porto      0-5 !!!!!
        
    Milan       7 
    Porto       6
    Anderl      4
    Bremen      3 
    
    Cup Winners Cup
    
    Benfica - Parma	2-1
    P.S.G.  - Arsenal   1-1
    
    UEFA CUP
    
    Salzburg - Karlsruhe 0-0
    Cagliari - Inter     3-2
        
    Pino
    
    

    Karlsruher SC	- Casino Salzburg	1:1
    
    Salzburg through on away goals. :-(
    
    Good luck to Salzburg in the finals, it's time to see a team *not*
    Italian win a European Cup :-)
    
    As for the match, Salzburg deserved to win. Well, so did Karlsruhe. 
    It was one of Karlsruhe's lesser home matches, though. Maybe it was
    their problem to be favourites for the first time. The produced one
    or the other dangerous situation in the Austrian box, but never could
    revive the spirit of their previous home matches. And Krieg's equalizer
    was offside, too (from my -TV- perspective).
    
    Willie Sch�fer, Karlsruhe's coach commented that Salzburg and Karlsruhe
    were basically playing the same kind of football. They became successful
    through hard work, in a team without stars. That's why the matches were
    so close and a bit of luck would be required to go through. They didn't
    have it. 
    
    Heiko
    

It was a glorious day for our football.

1/4 final: 1. game Vienna :German's newspaper : this �s no problem for the great
Eintracht Frankfurt (Frankfurt had much luck , that they had not 3-4
goals in Vienna)
2.- Game in Frankfurt: No chance for Salzburg, they cannot beat any German 
team - we have seen, they could

1/2 final: 1. game in Vienna : it was more quiet than before the Frankfurt-game
in German's newspapers and TV. 0:0 in Vienna

2. Game in Karlsruhe: It had been the sam as in Francfurt,
German press: In 15 minutes Salzburg has lost - no chance.
TV: This will be the revenge for Frankfurt - it wasn't.
Schuetterle (KSC) : We plough Salzburg in the first halftime.

There is a great rivality between German and Austria in sport - German's
newspapers often confound Sport with War.

The German trainer Sch�fer has shown more fairness than Francfurt's Topmoeller,
both games Francfurt-Salzburg has been war and hates!

The games Salzburg - Karlsruhe has been games like Cup-games, but with much
fairness - gratulation to the team of Karlsruhe and his trainer.

Heiko, thank You for thinking, "Krieg's equalizer was offside, too (from my -TV-
perspective)." - but our Number 5 Winklhofer has been more than 1 meter behind
Krieg on the left side.

This was a glory day, but I think neither Karlsruhe than Salzburg has a chance
against Inter (If this isn't true, I wil be lucky) and i'll finish with the
words of Salzburg's coach Otto Baric:

"Sorry, that there is no third German team in the final"

Heribert

  Heribert the Austrians are no saints, and that's coming from a non-German
citizen. Tell us why the Austrian trainer has been banned to the stands???? And
how "so-called" fans behaved during the recent Davis cup match?????  I want
Inter to win the final, especially after the Austrian Tv presenter claimed that
Salzburg were now a European top team!!! (::) 

   The one good thing from last nights game was the Referee.. Some chap from
Belgium I believe...

                                                               -dave-

Dave,

The Austrian are no saints, too - I agree.

The trainer Otto Baric is an emotional croatic, he is very "hor" during the
game (they have tested his heart-rate during the match 120 - 150).

Their is no excuse for his behaviour against Francfurt.(The reason of his
behaviour was , that the Francfurt player said to him "Fuck Your mother" 
- this is not o.k. , but no reason Baric' doing - spitting against him)

Question: Have You seen the Austrian Davis Cup match ?
" "so-called" fans behaved during the recent Davis cup match" 

"especially after the Austrian Tv presenter claimed that Salzburg were now
an European top team".. the Austrian football is not so bad, as many thinks.
But the Austrian football is not so well as the Austrian TV thinks.

(I am looking this games in the German TVs)

The referees have been good in all games against Karlsruhe and Frankfurt.

Let us Austrian enjoy such days - we have to wait for another 10 years.
(1980 Austria Vienna Cupfinal, 1985 Rapid Vienna, 1994 Austria Salzburg)

Greetings from Vienna (I'll say , Salzburg should be an European top team 
after winning against Inter , chances :  20:80)

    ok so it's the Arze v parma in one cup
    
    what happened in the other two.
    
    Will any of them be worth watching onn PPV?
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    European champions cup semi-final (one leg only)
    
    AC Milan v AS Monaco
    IMO.. Milan are the dullest team in Europe, but very effective... hope
    Monaco can beat them, but don't bet against 1-0 for Milan.
    
    Barcelona v Porto
    Should be a good game, both sides capable of winning.
    
    UEFA Cup (two legged final)
    
    Inter Milan v Salzburg
    Inter have been up and down all season... if they play well it should
    be a good game. Don't know too much about Salzburg.
    
    

Saw some of the highlights of the Inter-Cagliari game on EuroSport last night,
and have to say that Bergkamp was S**t hot. He scored the first and laid off
brilliant balls for the next 2 after drawing 2-3 defenders, and looked dangerous
every time he got the ball. If he's on this form in 2 months time....

Al

Austria Salzburg's way to the UEFA Cup final


D.Strejda (Tschech)      2:0   2:0

Royal Antwerpen          1:0   1:0

Sporting Lissabon        3:0   0:2

Eintracht Frankfurt      1:0   0:1  (penalty killing)

Karlsruher SC            0:0   1:1


7:0 in home events

In this team of Salzburg are 5 players from the team of Rapid of the EC final
in Rotterdam against Everton.

Heribert

     
    re.118
    
    Salzburg was very lucky at the Lisbon game...
    They could have lost it by 4 or even 5...and at Austria they were even
    more lucky! But who scores is the one who wins,so... congratulations and
    good luck for the final!
    
    Luis. 

Today's teams

SV SALZBURG - INTER MAILAND
(Vienna, 20:30, Ref: Kim Milton-Nielsen (Danmark)

                        SALZBURG

                        Konrad (29 years old)

        Lainer (33)     Weber (38)      F�rstaller (29)

Winklhofer (23)    Artner (27) Marquinho (27)  Stadler (32)  Aigner (26)

                Pfeifenberger (27)      Amerhauser (19)

Hurted: Garger
Absent with 2nd yellow cards or more: Feiersinger,H�tter,Jurcevic
Yellow cards: For all 11 players a yellow card in this match means to be absent
in the 2nd final.

                        INTER MAILAND

                        Zenga (33)

        Paganin (27)    Battistini (30)         Bergomi (30)

Orlando (27)    Berti (27)      Mancione (27)   Jonk (27)       Bianchi (28)

                Sosa (28)               Bergkamp (24)

Hurted: Ferri (90%)
Absent (Yellow cards): Fontolan, Schalimow
6 players with yellow cards


Average : Salzburg  28,1 years
          Inter     28,0

Two teams with much routine, both not the youngest.

Statistic between Inter Mailand and Austrian teams in any EC:

1990/91         UEFA    Rapid Wien-Inter Mailand  2:1  1:3   INTER
1985/86         UEFA    Linzer ASK- Inter         1:0  0:4   INTER
1983/84         UEFA    Austria Wien - Inter      2:1  1:1   AUSTRIA
1973/74         UEFA    Admira Wacker - Inter     1:0  1:2   ADMIRA

All 4 home matches in history in Austria has been won. (A good omen ?)

My tip for today's match:

0:0 or 1:1

My wish: 1:0

Heribert

Austria Salzburg - Inter Mailand   0:1  (0:1)

Goal: Berti (35.)
Yellow,Yellow/red: Bianchi
Yellow: Pfeifenberger,Stadler (both Salzburg)

We have seen a difference between a well playing team as Salzburg and a
international Top Team as Inter Mailand.
Salzburg has been the better team for 80 minutes, only between the 35 and
45 minutes Inter played a very well football.

But what was the difference: 
Salzburg had 8 chances , 11 corners and made no goal .

Inter had three chances, 1 corner with this result: 1 goal (35.min) one bar shot
(45 min.)

Salzburg's forwards had been too harmless , without Jurcevic they are not able
to make any goal.

In the beginning of the second halftime Austria Salzburg played very well.
In the 48. min Bianchi had seen yellow/red - but I must say, this decision has
been too hard for excluding the Inter player - it was a harmless foul. 

The Danish referee had no difficult play, it has been very fair.
He has only made two mistakes - this yellow/red card against Bianchi and a
yellow card against Pfeifenberger (5.min),a harmless attack against Bergkamp.

After this red card, Inter stands with 10 men in theyr half and played their
well known Catenaccio - one attack in the last 40 minutes.(85. Sosa) - and this
shoot has been very dangerous.

Resumee: Inter has shown,how an international top team is able to win with
only 10 minutes playing well.

As a realistic, you must say, the final is decided - Inter will be Cup-winner.

As an optimistic you can collect facts:
Nobody has given Salzburg any chance after the first games against Lissabon
(0:2),Karlsruhe (0:0) and Frankfurt (1:0) - and all three 2md games have been 
better.

Salzburg can not play with Pfeifenberger and Stadler (both forwards)in Mailand,
but they have Feiersinger,Garger (two good defenders),Huetter (best in middle)
and Jurcevic(best forward).

Heribert  (a realistic)

Barca 3-0 Fc porta   Goals by Stokivic 2 and a 35 yard hammer from Koeman...

   Barcelona could have won this game by 6 or 7 at the end... they controlled
the game the whole time and had about 80% posession play.... The three goals 
they scored were gems.... 

Milan 3-0 Monaco  goals by Desailly, Albertini and Massaro....

   Milan easily brushed past Monaco even with 10 men for the second half Milan
were in class of their owm.... Again three excellent goals, and instead of
sitting on their 1-0 lead Milan went out and attacked... 

   The final is in Athens on May 18th... Barca start as slight favourites 
mainly because Milan will be missing both Baresi and Costacorta the heart of the
very successfull Milan defence, both are suspended. 

  I personally will be shouting for Barca, they attractive football which
reminds me a little of the Dutch team of the seventies. Cruyff is a hero in 
Barca....

                                                       all the best...

                                                             -dave-

Inter Mailand - Austria Salzburg
San Siro, 20:30, Ref: McCluskey


			INTER


			Zenga
				
			Battistini

Orlando		Bergomi		Ferri		Fontolan

	Jonk		Manicone		Berti

		Bergkamp	Sosa


Bergomi will play his 86th EC game !


			
			SALZBURG


			Konrad

			Weber

               Lainer		F�rstaller

Artner	 H�tter		Feiersinger	Marquinho	Winklhofer

		Jurcevic	Aigner



It is a pity - Inter's coach Marini will not be surprised, he has seen
on last Saturday Austria Salzburg's Austrian championship game. (6:0 against
Austrian record-champion Austria Wien).
Now he is warning, not to play offensiv - Inter is not the winner of the Cup
since today. (After the first match he has been sure , they are).

Heribert
 
					

    So what Happened last night at San Siro ?
    
    When is Barcelona- Milan ? I hope that Barcelona wins the whole
    thing... their style of play is much more exciting to watch than the
    crowd of midfield players packed in front of Rossi when Milan plays...
    
    Doe anybody knows if the game will be broadcasted here in the U.S  and
    if yes at what time of the day ?
    
    Jacques

    
    About last night in S.Siro....
    
    I suppose UEFA Cup is becoming a sort of Mitropa Cup.....
    It's really an insult to the football that a team like Inter has win
    an European competition.
    
    INTER       SALZBURG        1 - 0  (Jonk)
    
    The first match was finished with the same result.
    
    The best players for Inter all over the competition has been:
                 "I PALI E LE TRAVERSE"  (the bar shots)
    
    Andrea 

    Yep, excellent goal by Jonk, but you have to ask how it is possible
    that Inter can win the UEFA Cup. To do so, they've beaten Limassol
    (Cyprus), Dinamo Bucharest (?), Norwich, Borussia Dortmund, Cagliari
    and Salzburg, but I don't think they passed a single round without some
    enormous slice of luck. 
    
    Quite how they managed to scrape through against B. Dortmund at San
    Siro in particular, I shall never know. Certainly, they look one of the
    most disjointed teams ever to have won a trophy. In fact, it seems like
    a classic case of a team picked by a rich president (to please the
    fans), rather than by a manager who knows his football.
    
    Still, Berti looks to have won himself a place in the Italian WC squad.
    
    Dom

Not Inter has won this UEFA Cup - Zenga, luck and Zenga has won it.
It was a fast match, Salzburg was the better team in the 2nd half and had
enough chances to win, but Zenga was too good on this day.

Inter's best phase has been from the 1st to 15th minutes, since the 40th minute
Salzburg dominated the match and in the best phase of Salzburg Inter made the
1:0.

Why luck: the shot of Marquinho in the 50 min (0:0) was a goal: the ball 
jumped from the right bar to the left bar, the ball passed completly the 
goal line (we have seen the scene in TV in short time - often) - Enland, think
of the famous WC final !

to .113 "..Austrian Tv presenter claimed that Salzburg were now a European top
team!!! " - yes, it seems so ! Inter's coach Marini: Salzburg has been the best 
team in UEFA Cup, we have played in the last years, we had much luck. Salzburg
had been much better than Norwich and Dortmund" 
- but Salzburg made no goal - and this is football !

What helps it, that Salzburg had 8 corners, Inter 3.

Salzburg had lost the luck, which they had specially against Lisbon.

We'll hope , that Salzburg will be Austria's championship and will come to 
the Champions league.

Congratulations to Inter.

Heribert 

The italian newspapers after the final:

Gazetta dello Sport: Halleluja Inter. Zenga and Jonk - Inter are kissing you.
Salzburg's attacks made all nervous. In the 2nd half trembled all players,
all Italians.

Corriere dello Sport: Coppa Zenga - the victory was a gift of Zenga.
Die Football-god helped by Marquinhos bar-bar shot.

Tuttosport: only a super Zenga stopped Salzburg.

Corriere della Sera: Thank you Zenga. He saved Inter

Giacinto Facchetti: The atmosphere seemed like the game Inter - Benfica 1964/65

Ernesto Pellegrini (Inter president): God has helped us


I think, that all is a compliment for Salzburg's football - I hope, Austrian
football will go upwards.

Heribert

    Can someone tell me at what time is the game tonight between Barcelona
    and Milan?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jacques

    jacques
    
    2pm EDT on PPV (i.e in 2 hours) so that's 1pm Central time isn't it/
    
    yours WFH on way to bar to watch the game.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    Result:	AC Milan 4 Barcelona 0

    Here in south Germany we had the choice of watching Milan V Salzburg 
    or Munich V Dynamo Kiev
    
    I suffered the Bayern Munich match, and (with the aid of alcohol)
    managed to stay awake right way through the 90 minutes.
    Kiev were down to 10 men after, errr, about 10 minutes, but (boring,
    boring) Bayern could still only managed to score one goal. 
    Papin was crap and missed from 6 yards with only the goaly to
    beat. 
    
    I occasionally flicked over to ORF-2 to see if the other match was less
    sleep inducing, but it looked just as dire. I threw my beer bottle at
    the telly in desperation.
    By the sounds of the Turks V Mancs match, that was no better either. 
    These are supposedly the best teams in europe! - no wonder Brasil won
    the world cup.
    
    Al. 

re -.1 

>>I threw my beer bottle at the telly in desperation.

I thought it was a bottle of water that knocked the Austrian keeper out :-)

P.S. I hope Milan get what's coming to them after the incident with the Keeper,
and that he makes a full and speedy recovery

Al