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297.1 | Yes Cinderalla you shall go to the ball | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | Alphatraz - Coming Summer 93 | Mon May 17 1993 00:51 | 38 |
| and i'll start ...
yesterday in the mail I got a letter from World Cup Washington Host
Committee inviting me to "The Soccer Ball"
yes I know what you're thinking but apparently it's a Ball in the other
sense of the word i.e Party/Reception and will be held Thursday June
10th at the old Union Station in washington following the game betwen
Germany and Brazil. It's described as and I quote here without
permission
"a casual post-game ball with hors d'oeuvres, buffet and silent
auction" - not a post-game pint in the Hook'n'Tackle!
Special guest include
"His Excellency Sir Robin Renwick, British ambassador"
"His Excellency Rubens Ricupero, Ambassador of Brazil"
"His Excellency Dr Immo Stabreit, ambassador of the Federal Republic
of Germany"
"The National team players of Brazil, Germany and England"
So is this it, my chance at last to find out why Graham Taylor doesn't
pick Chris waddle, whether Gazza is really a prat and exactly what
John Barnes thinks he's been doing for the last couple of years.
well i'm not sure that the computer didn't pick my name by mistake,
i mean crikey they don't do this for mere mortals after England
have just dispatched a difficult European side at wembley do they?
admission price is a whopping $94 dollars - though $40 is
tax-deductible since the proceeds will benefit charity.
Maybe I could whisper in Graham Taylor's left-ear the name of
a decent English left-back - anyone know one??
Regards,
andrew.D.Wicks
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297.2 | | ECCGY4::HAIGH | Experientia does it | Mon May 17 1993 11:18 | 5 |
| >pick Chris waddle, whether Gazza is really a prat and exactly what
>John Barnes thinks he's been doing for the last couple of years.
Last I heard, Gascoigne won't be released by Lazio, (he played a
blinder yesterday).
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297.3 | Maybe it'll catch on back home.... | ICS::KETT | | Mon May 17 1993 21:41 | 15 |
| re .1 Sounds a bit posh! Maybe this'll catch on back home and they'll
start throwing post-relegation wakes in places like
Middlesboro...."Following his failure to keep the club in the Premier
League, come and see the manager commit ritual suicide by
falling on a corner flag from the comfort of the Directors Bar!"
I saw a listing of the England squad listed somewhere on the internet
the other day. Glad to see Barnes included. In spite of his treatment
at the hands of the Wembley fans, he's a class act, and I'm glad I'll
get the chance to have my 10 year old (daughter!) see him play at
Foxboro, even if he is a bit past his prime.
Regards, from the only Boro FC Supporters Club member with a US
address,
Alan
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297.4 | slaven would be offside in the food queue! | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | Alphatraz - Coming Summer 93 | Mon May 17 1993 21:59 | 8 |
| Alan,
Let's meet up at Foxboro - contact me off-line.
If you see the squad listing please post it.
Regards,
Andrew.D.Wicks
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297.5 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Tue May 18 1993 10:29 | 4 |
| Re last 2 on England's squad. I think Barnes is being given a rest and won't
make the trip (but I thought he only played half a season?!). And apparently
the organisers are trying to get FIFA to lean on Lazio to let Gascoigne go.
Looks like yet another 'exciting' saga coming up . . .
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297.6 | No Barnsie ! | SHIPS::DURANT_S | | Tue May 18 1993 10:32 | 8 |
|
Barnes is in the squad for the two World Cup qualifiers, but will not
be playing in the US tournament. According to the paper I read he wants
to improve his fitness for next season. They reckoned he is risking his
England career but he has apparently failed to get back to fitness by
playing matches.
Steve.
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297.7 | US players not in | NEWPRT::TOMAN_RI | | Tue Jun 01 1993 23:13 | 7 |
| It is my understanding the US team will not have Tab Ramos, Eric
Wynalda and John Harkes because their European teams will not release
them--I guess we will have to beat you with our second stringers :)
regards from Mission Viejo,California home of the US team
rick
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297.8 | Heh if they can't even beat Poland (:==:) | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | Alphatraz - Coming Summer 93 | Tue Jun 01 1993 23:41 | 10 |
| Rick,
why would for example Harkes not be playing after all it's not as if
Sheff wed have to play any games before August. Some of the other
European leagues still have seasons/play-offs going on which is why
gascoigne will apparently still be in Italy eating Mars bars.
regards froM Atlanta - the olympic capital (:==:)
Andrew.D.wicks
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297.9 | USA all the way | NEWPRT::TOMAN_RI | | Wed Jun 02 1993 00:09 | 7 |
| Andrew,
I just read a small blurb in our newspaper which indicated the info I
gave--I don't understand the Harkes problem either --maybe they are
wrong
rick
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297.10 | Dooley not Harkes | NEWPRT::TOMAN_RI | | Wed Jun 02 1993 19:23 | 4 |
| I reread blurb in newspaper--my mistake--apparently it is Dooley not
Harkes who was not released
rick
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297.11 | Movin' on? | ICS::KETT | | Wed Jun 02 1993 19:44 | 6 |
| Internet gossip suggests Harkes is up for sale from Wednesday.
Something about a contract dispute. Did I hear talk of him going to
Blackburn, or was that my imagination?
Regards,
Alan
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297.12 | US to beat England in the tourney ???? | ISEQ::KLAMBERT | | Thu Jun 03 1993 12:10 | 15 |
| Having seen England outplayed by Norway last night, unless there is a
big improvement in the England performances, I can see the U.S. Team
beating them. I have seen the U.S. play a couple of times in the last
two years in the Boston area, and they are definitely an improving
side under the reigns of their new manager. With members of the team
playing in professional leagues outside the US for the last season, this
should give way to an even more inproved US Team. I'd like to be in
Boston to see them this year, as I think they will do well in the U.S.
cup. Of course they are the holders also !!!
Keith.
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297.14 | Off to see Taylor's world-beaters! | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | June 7-13 Real Football in the U.S | Fri Jun 04 1993 23:59 | 22 |
| Well this as they say is it as i'm off home to pack and then in the
morning off to Hartford. First game is Sunday U.S v Brazil in New Haven
followed by the games in Foxboro and Washington (two there).
I promise to return on Monday June 14th with match reports on all four
games and maybe some bar reviews for those Irish supporters and others
who will coming over for the real Cup next year.
If the games get shown on TV where you are then I'll be the strange
Welsh looking one yelling "aldo, aldo ,aldo" (:==:) and singing
any Norwegian drinking songs I can learn!
Predictions are:
U.S 1 Brazil 3
U.S 0 England 0
Brazil 2 Germany 1
England 0 Brazil 1
Hwyl fawr,
Andrew.D.Wicks (Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman)
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297.15 | A slow start..... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 07 1993 10:56 | 26 |
|
USA 0 Brasil 2
Watched the game last night and was more impressed with the US style
than the Brazilians. They conceded goals 5 minutes into the match and
just before the end. The first goal was a disgrace from the
umpiring standard. There were clearly 3 Brazilians offside when the
free kick was taken from just outside the penalty area. Second goal
well taken but the most encouraging fact was that around 50,000 people
went to the game.
The most disturbing aspect was the arrogance shown by
the German TV commentator over the US team. Just a training game for
the Brazilians against a team with no real World Cup chance, USA with no
organised league..etc etc. Its a pity that somebody didn't show him the
History books and point out that the US got to a World Cup semi before
either Germany or Brazil and the German Federation didn't get their act
together to form a properly organised league until 1963 !!!!
I just hope we don't get this attitude all the way through the Finals
next year.
Uuuuuhhhh Arrogance ! I can't stand it....anyway I'll try not to hold
it against the German team.
Regards,
Dezzz.
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297.16 | Harkes overatted | NEWPRT::TOMAN_RI | | Tue Jun 08 1993 23:02 | 18 |
| At least in this particular game I thoght that Harkes is overated. He
lost the ball at least 6 times in midfield play and the only grat play
was his touch to Stewart who missed from 18 yard out.
I found it amazing that for this tournament that the USA has Harbor and
Stewart playing the up striker--btween them in a total of 41 caps for
the USA they have scored 0 goals. They don't suit up Vermees who in 61
caps has 13 goals including a couple this year.
Now we will see if they play Wynalda at up striker who hasn't scored
for his German team since Clinton was inaguarted and whose team was
just relegated to the second division
We need Hugo Perez at midfield for the USA to make it happen
Any thoughts
rick
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297.17 | The US team improvement continues | ISEQ::KLAMBERT | | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:18 | 18 |
| A great result for the US against a tired and uninspired England team.
The US keeper Tony Meola (sp?), played out of his skin and kept the US
in the game on several occasions, when their vunerable looking defence
when beaten. However, the US scored two fine goals, the second one a
phenomenal leap by a guitar player from New York ( I wonder what he
takes before a game and I'll have two of 'em !), to head home over
Woods' outstretched hands. And the US might have scored more if
Pallister had not played a fairly solid game in defence for the US.
This could be the nail in Taylor's coffin given the media hype that
will surround this performance. However, I remember another English
League based International team being beaten by the US last year,
which apart from a small glitch in the newspapers, was quickly
forgotton. An end of season holiday attitude by the Irish team was
the accepted reason for the result. I wonder will the same excuse be
accepted for the England team last night. I think not, given the
"footballing crisis" that the whole of England ( and Scotland ?) are
talking about.
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297.18 | A local hero | GLDOA::BOSSONNEY | | Thu Jun 10 1993 15:45 | 6 |
| re.-1
....I read in the paper this morning that the second goal was scored by
Alexi Lalas. Good old Alexi is no " guitar player from New York"
(although he might look like one!). He is from Birmingham, Michigan.
Jacques
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297.19 | A spectator's view | GERALD::CAMPKIN | Resident Alien | Thu Jun 10 1993 17:59 | 42 |
| Having actually been at the game I can give maybe some more insight into
what correctly has been described as an abysmal England performance.
Most of us alien Brits are taking a good deal of flak at work today! I
can't imagine why anyone at home would have stayed up to the bitter end.
A couple of points not yet made. Firstly it had rained extremely hard
just prior to the game and although this pitch drains everything thrown
at it, it was obviously wet. Yet at 6 of the England team ended up
slipping in the first ten minutes - doesn't anyone tell them that they
need longer studs in those conditions.
I thought the goalkeeping was interesting. The England goalie was slow,
out of position a lot of the time, and definitely at fault for the
second goal. To be out-jumped on the edge of the 6-yard box and have a
ball headed over him is a disgrace. The scorer couldn't believe it!
For my money Meola made one very good save (from a free kick that the
Ref was trying to get the players to retreat about 20 yards!), and had a
totally inept set of people trying to beat him. The misses by Wright
most of my 14 year-old team could have scored on. Meola was certainly
made to look a world beater!
Pallister was the only person that I think played to anything like his
capability - Clough spent a lot of time with the ball on the edge of the
opposition penalty area wondering what to do next! The number of
crosses that came over, went through a totally unmanned area and out the
other side were legion.
I'll leave my friend Mr Wicks to comment more when he gets back from
following this "team" around the U.S. - I didn't see him at the game but
there were no reported suicides so I suppose he'll be in Washington.
Finally I was pleased that the English supporters behaved reasonably
well - the State police had turned out in an incredible force (far more
than are ever present at an American football game) but they had little
to do. I don't know how long after the game the TV stayed on, but there
was a very vociferous group baying for Taylor's head.
Germany and Brazil - I like the suggestion that we send for the
cricket team!!
Gerry
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297.20 | Footballer who plays guitar or vice versa !! | ISEQ::KLAMBERT | | Thu Jun 10 1993 18:48 | 15 |
| re:.18
The match was shown live in the Britain and Ireland by ITN.
The British commentator introduced Lalas as a "musician who played the
guitar with a band from New York !!!" when he came on for Dooley, and
hence my reference. On the whole the commentator tended to play down
the American side, referring a lot to their recent 15 games when they
only won once v Sausi Arabia and referred to the result as a "disgrace"
for the English team.
Lalas' goal certainly suggests his talents range far beyond any musical
scope !!
Keith.
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297.21 | we were there!! | GRUFFY::ZAHORA | Rob Zahora | Thu Jun 10 1993 19:28 | 60 |
| My family and I made it to Foxboro yesterday to see the US team defeat
England. Aside from getting somewhat wet at the beginning, we had a
lot of fun. My two sons (one plays U-10, the other is on a couple of
U-12 teams) were excited watching the English team bus unload but were
a little disappointed not to see David Platt, one of their heroes. But
we got got to our seats and they took up rooting for England while my
wife and I cheered on the USA. My younger son met a similar aged boy
sitting in the next seat and they had a grand time watching the game
together.
As for the game itself, I thought it was exciting. There was a lot of
slipping because of wet grass in the first half. From our vantage
point we caught a few infractions missed by the refs including a good
shirt-yank by one of the players (US I believe, but I can't recall).
There wasn't any razzle-dazzle play and I thought the two goals were
rather text-book examples. In the second half, the game was saved by
the US goalie, Tony Meola (sp.?). More than once I was sure that
England was going to score but somehow Meola managed to grab on or
deflect the ball away.
A couple of things puzzle me though. A number of times I saw players
from both teams try to dribble through two or more defenders. I
thought that the possibility of success doing so was not very good (as
proved to be the case) and wonder why it was attempted? Also more than
once an attackers from both teams were observed to bring the ball up to
the opposing goal to a point where I thought they should have taken a
shot. They had a good angle and I anticipated a kick. Yet they
continued for another stride which was all that a defender needed to
get in and deflect the ball away. I wonder why they held off?
On a different topic, the prices at the concession stands were somewhat
outrageous - $3.75 for a beer, $2.00 for a coke and the like. I
suppose this may be normal at sporting events but it didn't help the
budget any. We had brought some juice boxes but these were confiscated
at the gate - they were afraid we were going to throw them at someone.
While I appreciate the concern for security, it would have been nice
to know what was forbidden beforehand.
For all you English noters, be assured that the English fans were well
represented. There were probably more than fifty banners hung around
the stadium from various football clubs. Most were names I didn't
recognize and I assume were from some of the smaller English teams.
Some group must have bought out a section of the stadium since this
area was all English and really into singing/chanting.
One thing that disappointed me a little was the coverage of the event
in the local news media. True, there was commercial-TV coverage
showing the goals and all. But it looked like at least two of the
stations had done their planning around stories on hooliganism and were
somewhat disappointed that only 9 people were arrested.
The Boston Globe had four stories in this morning's paper. Mostly,
they were on the fluff side saying that yes, the US beat England for
the first time in 40 some years. There were no critical analyses of
the game. I very much would have liked to see some comments about the
play and to have learned why the US won. Not much was said about any
of the players which I think was somewhat of a shame. The Globe
sports writers are rather astute when it comes to other sports, so I
hope they will learn a little more about soccer for their reporting on
next years World Cup matches.
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297.22 | Hang down your head, John Bull | ICS::KETT | | Thu Jun 10 1993 22:38 | 105 |
| I was at the game too, with my England flag folded in my pocket out of
shame as I left the stadium. I've never seen an England team play as badly
as that lot did last night; my men's over-40 team could have given them a
run for their money based on their performance. There were one or two
bright spots: Pallister played a solid game in defence, and I thought Batty
turned in a good performance: he was carrying the ball well, and he kept
making off-the-ball runs out of the backfield that his team mates managed
to studiously ignore for most of the game.
Now for the bad stuff. Clough turned in an amazing performance as the 90
Minute Invisible Man. I don't remember him doing a single thing of note.
Barnsie was hustling (he lost the ball on the edge of the US goalbox at one
point and made the saving tackle next to the corner flag at the other end
of the field), but it just didn't seem enough to make a place for him on
the squad. A pity, 'cos I've always loved watching him play for L'pool. In
general, the English forwards didn't look like they a) wanted to win the
game, and b) knew how to do it. The one moment of note from the English
forwards was in the last 15 minutes, when we were already 0-2 down and
someone (forget who) got the ball to Ince(?), who was unmarked on the edge
of the US box and facing his own goal. He turned on a dime/sixpence (pick
your metaphor), pulling the ball with him, and took a step towards the goal
before letting rip. Meola saw it coming, and, in the save of the game,
smothered the shot as it left Ince's foot. (Up in the stands, it looked
like a simple lob would have got the goal, 'cos Meola was coming in like an
express train, feet first, and was giving away the high shot. But I wasn't
on the field, getting paid the big money, so what do I know?)
Interestingly enough, Woods had hardly any touches on the ball the whole
game. I can only remember him going up to pull down a single cross from a
corner. (As an earlier writer noted, he missed another cross to give away
the second goal!) About the only things I remember him doing were to pull
the two US goals from the back of the net! At the other end of the field,
Meola played well, with some nice reaction saves, including a lovely full
stretch dive to turn away a free kick shot. Meola single-handedly kept the
US in the game in the second half, which I suppose says that England was
getting pressure on the US goal, but given the uninspired way the front
line and attacking midfield was playing, one never really believed that
they'd get back first one, and then two, goals. The US goalie was lucky to
make it into the second half. About 25 minutes into the first half,
Ferdinand got loose just inside the US goalbox, and Meola rushed off his
line to get to the loose ball. With both of them sprinting, Ferdinand
managed to push it past Meola, and Meola just plain flattened him: no
attempt to play the ball at all. I got a very nice look at the whole thing,
and was frankly amazed that it didn't draw a red card. If Meola hadn't
decked Ferdi, it was an easy sidefoot shot into an open net. Probably the
ref wanted to avoid a public lynching, but they don't get much clearer than
that to me.
Both US goals seemed to come from what I'd call typically English play:
long balls up the middle to see if a fast forward could get loose. The US
scored their first from just such a ploy, and their second was from a
corner kick conceded as a result of a similar move. Both goals were
well-executed and well taken, although the second should have been safely
in the outstretched arms of Woods....but he forgot to stretch. Ramos looked
good for the US at midfield, and I suppose Harkes did his job, but I have
to admit that he wasn't as visibly effective as Ramos, who managed to
embarass the English back line several times on the outside. On the English
side, Pallister repeatedly executed impeccable headers to cut out the long
crossfield lobs that the Americans were using in an attempt to spring their
wingers loose.
If I had to make a single comment about how the English game looked, I'd
say it was that their game lacked width. They failed to move the ball
effectively to the outside, and I don't really recall a single instance
where an English player cleanly beat his man to the outside, took the ball
to the corner, and played a cross. It seemed like we were trying to move
the ball through the midfield without realizing that the outside was an
option. I haven't seen any of the recent games (Holland/Norway etc), but if
this is typical, we're throwing away a very powerful option. Comments,
please......
That's about it. I had a little cry in my beer when I got home. I was so
embarrased by the English performance, and my wife (US citizen) and 10 year
old daughter (US born) gave me endless grief about the whole event for the
45 minutes it took to get out of the parking lot and the 30 minutes for the
drive home. If this is the stuff that Taylor's squad has been dishing up
for the last year or so, then I'm not surprised he's getting the criticism
he is. Friendly or not, this is the kind of match a team of the nation's
best footballers should be able to win in their sleep: heck, the Brazilians
did it on Sunday, and most of them hadn't even practised together once!
Regards,
Alan
p.s. By the way, all the crap that's been reported in the US media about
the 'English Hooligans' is just that: faeces. There were lots of banners
there last night (Liverpool/Man United/Lincoln City/West Ham/Wimbledon
spring to mind), but most of the 'English Hooligans' were like me: in their
30's/40's/50's and transplants in search of a chance to see England do it's
stuff against (essentially) a youngish team of fairly skilled amateurs.
Most of us had our wives and (US born) kids with us. I spent the entire
game wedged between a middle aged Scotsman from Kircuddy/New Hampshire (who
spent the whole time alternately telling me he was there to see the "Old
Enemy" get thrashed and berating the English forwards for not finishing)
and an older man and his wife from Newcastle who were over on holiday to
see their son get married. By the end of the game, all three of us were
hanging our heads and moaning softly. The idea that we were going to turn
ourselves into a ravening mob of car-trashing skinheads in the wastelands
of southern Massachussets is ludicrous in the extreme. Apart from anything
else, at $3.75 for just over 1/2 pint of US cat's piss (sorry, Budweiser!),
even the middle class can't afford to make the alcohol-assisted
metamorphosis from software engineers/pensioners into social deviants!
Tony: I looked for you, colourful shirt and all! Did you see the same game
as me? Look forward to reading your account of the procedings.
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297.23 | beer tastes better with tears | NEWPRT::TOMAN_RI | | Thu Jun 10 1993 23:40 | 17 |
| After reading the last several responses of why England lost--all I can
say is cry in your beer.
Take it like a man--you lost--no amount of rationalizing will change the
score. The US did get most of the breaks when it counted but to say the
US team are high level amateurs and the rain somehow attributed to
England's defeat is a bit much.
Many of you think that the talent differential between England and the
US is of the same magnitude between the US and England's Olympic
basketball teams--ITS NOT--
Perhaps--just perhaps the US team-its talent and its coaching made (to
some very small degree) England play the way it did.
rick
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297.24 | Coach:"Don't dribble,Don't lose the ball!!" Boring | KIRKTN::CDOUDIE | Zig....IN YOUR FACE !! | Fri Jun 11 1993 09:14 | 22 |
| > A couple of things puzzle me though. A number of times I saw players
> from both teams try to dribble through two or more defenders. I
> thought that the possibility of success doing so was not very good (as
> proved to be the case) and wonder why it was attempted? Also more than
I think this is what they are meant to do.......usually, probably a few
years ago now, the player who could take on two or three defenders and
then pass the ball was hailed as a hero on the terraces i.e. "Jinky"
Johnstone, Willie Henderson or the likes of marradona, Pele, Cruiff(sp)
All these players could do wonders with the ball. Maybe you could get
some videos of these older teams and players and see the game how it
should be played, not the way that coaches want it played nowadays.
> On a different topic, the prices at the concession stands were somewhat
> outrageous - $3.75 for a beer, $2.00 for a coke and the like. I
> suppose this may be normal at sporting events but it didn't help the
In Scotland and the rest of Britain, no containers of any sort are
allowed into a match. You can't buy alcohol of any sort, just soft
drinks and the old "Pie ana Bovril, Jimmy!!"
Colin.
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297.25 | Why World Cup Group 2..?? | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:48 | 7 |
|
For some reason this tournement seems to be being discussed in two
different notes.....
What was the score of the Germany v Brazil game please..???
Dave...
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297.26 | | CLARID::KREYER | Andre KREYER - Valbonne | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:57 | 4 |
| > What was the score of the Germany v Brazil game please..???
3 - 3 is what I read in another note...
.Andre.
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297.28 | A game of two... | MACNAS::JMALLON | | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:59 | 30 |
|
Brazil 3 - 3 Germany
I sat up late last night to enjoy this entertaining game on ITV. To say
a "game of two halves" would be an understatement. Brazil leading three
- nil at half time and totally outplaying and outclassing a tired
looking Germany. It was classic Brazil - lots of great combinations,
walking the ball out of defense, ball juggling, back-heels, banana
shots, the Brazilian crowds dancing and singing etc..
Then in the second half ,apart from the first ten minutes, it was all
Germany. Brazil resorted to playing the type of football that they just
cannot play. They tried to sit on the lead and "defend". They reminded
me of Brazil either in the last World Cup or the World cup before
when they showed a dirty cynical side that everyone hated. In the first
half they looked like potential world champions, in the second - well
even England (cricketers or not) would have given them a game (well
maybe I am exaggerating a little :-))
As for a friendly, they were a lot of "tough" tackles about and when
Germany scored the equaliser a minute into injury time even Bertie
Volks was jumping around the pitch and Klinsmann forgot about his
injury to go on a celebratory run.
All in all an enjoyable match. Showed both sides of Brazilian football.
Lets only hope that in the world cup next year we are treated to more
Brazilian football like that in the first half.
John M.
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297.30 | 3-3 | KBOMFG::TANNER | Californian Girls are more fun!!!!! | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:59 | 4 |
| Brazil lead 3-0 at half time, but the Germans came out fighting in the second
have and scored 3 goals in the last 30 mins.... Very entertaining game....
-dave-
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297.31 | Face it, US are good enough to win... | SERV01::BENOIT | | Fri Jun 11 1993 16:30 | 28 |
| re -2
Sooner or later, more people will realize that the US are doing an excellent
job (under the circumstances) putting a decent team together for WC94. How
soon we forget (or did we notice?) that they did not look as bad as expected
in Italy in WC90. In fact, the 0-1 (if I remember well) result against
Italy was to me a small victory.
The general wisdom out there is that the US cannot have a decent soccer
team. While there is some truth to that, it's also true that the US
national team is not to be taken lightly. In other words, England got in
trouble because they approached the game against the US as something easy.
This should have been obvious to everyone: It takes more now to beat the US
national team than it did say 10 years ago. I am afraid that a country's
soccer tradition, famous players, dedicated socer fans, etc are not good
enough. In order to win, they have to show this US national squad the
respect they deserve.
To the question "was US good or was England bad?" my answer is that the US
is good enough to win. All great soccer nations out there should be aware
of this fact.
Disclaimer: The US may go pass the first round of WC94; it would take more
than a miracle for them to go further.
Jude
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297.32 | .31 is a reply to .23 (sorry...) | SERV01::BENOIT | | Fri Jun 11 1993 16:40 | 0 |
297.33 | Tell me the legends of long ago | REOSV1::ONEILLS | | Sat Jun 12 1993 01:01 | 13 |
| RE: -1 I agree. The U.S. have been staedily making progress since the
last World Cup. They beat Ireland and I think Portugal to win this event
last year. NOw take a look at the WC qualifying tables and Portugal's
demolition of Scotland. The ENglish league players are all solid
performers. Dooley played for last year's German champions etc. etc.
They are improving and making progress which is great for soccer
"worldwide". THeir improvement could be their downfall...I think
attitudes are slowly changing and opposing teams may treat them with
more respect. I doubt if the Irish team will be in the Black Rose if
they draw them in next year's finals!
Shane
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297.34 | Funny old game? I was p*ssing myself | PAKORA::AMILLAR | And some late news just in... | Sat Jun 12 1993 22:08 | 12 |
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I agree with the last notes. I watched the game at home in Scotland,
and I thought that the US played very well and deserved their win.
However, just to show that it's a funny old game, I predict that Brazil
will only narrowly beat England, and I think that England will beat
Germany, because the style of play will be more akin to that which the
English are used to.
Archie,
Unbiased Scot.
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297.35 | A new beginning? | PAKORA::AMILLAR | And some late news just in... | Sun Jun 13 1993 21:28 | 12 |
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Well, I wasn't far away. England 1-1 Brazil
Graham Taylor can breathe a sigh of relief. I did not see the game, but
I beleive that England fully deserved this result, and indeed scored
first.
Can it continue? I hope not!!!!!
Archie,
Unbiased Scot
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297.36 | The Return of Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman! | YR2000::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Mon Jun 14 1993 05:52 | 77 |
| well 20 replies in this note and god knows how many mysteriously
in the group 2 note... since i've just got off a plane from
Washington and need some sleep i'll just post a few lines before
beginning writing/posting my "A week in the life of a Wandering
Welshman in search of Real Football in the U.S Volume 2" tomorrow.
it all started last Sunday the 6th in New Haven Connecticut with
a fairly convincing victory by Brazil over the U.S 2-0 who could
have won by many more.
then after Monday evening dinner in Nashua N.H with "Gerry the Landlord/Ref"
and a day sightseeing on tuesday I moved to Foxboro stadium in Mass to
witness one of those games that us non-English people just live for a very
embarrasing defeat for England - I remember the Norway game about 10
years ago - the 4-1 thrashing we gave them in the old British
Championship etc etc
despite the rain Tom Hill , Frank Way and I
were glad that we had witnessed history and could but sit in the
parking lot drinking Bass Ale in celebration thinking of how much fun
you noters would be having here in our enforced absence. The news
of the results from norway and eire were lost in the immensity of
the fact that England lost to a team that only recently sneaked a draw
againt might Iceland - we were wet, we were happy, we were drunk
Jon, Grahame and anyone else in Reading needs to make sure to avoid me
at christmas as I will return with photos, t-shirt, programme
commemorating this great game (:==:)
7 hours later and with a terrific hangover and on under 5 hours sleep (the
bar stayed opened late) I got on a plane to Washington, got in another
rental car and drove to RFK to see Brazil blow a very one-side 3-0 lead
to draw 3-3 with the Germans - and their secret number 14! - my mind
though was still on the night before, what was happening in this
notesfile, the newspapers, had Mike finally eaten a hat?? after a few
post match Guinesses I slept soundly for over 12 hours.
Killing the next two days in D.C was easy mostly at the Smithsonian
Air and Space - including some good football inspired films -
"The Dream is Alive" - about Wales qualifying for a World Cup
"Exploring New Worlds" - Gary Spain's trip to Albania
and then this morning just over 12 hours ago I set off for RFK again
to see England v Brazil which finished 1-1 with brazil finishing
the stronger team and England showing about 4 changes from wednesday
still not reallying gelling in any department - yes Earl Barrett
appeared at right back and I saw Rodney Marsh and Ron Atkinson!. one
figures that the return of Shearer (to partner wright) and Gazza when
he finishes appearing in Phantom of the Opera will strengthen the side
(oh and a scummer Tim Flowers appears in goal so I had someone to boo)
but one wonders how their going to score 3 goals against the Germans
like everyone else does...
Oh and the only game I missed was U.S.A v Germany which finished 3-4
the U.S came back at least twice but I don't have many more details
since it was played at exactly the same time and hundreds of miles
away from the game I was at - heck I would have gone. this game
was historic as it was the first LIVE televised football game on
Network TV in the U.S - I believe all previous games have been on cable.
and then hardly ever live.
The person who taped the game for me says that she thought ABC did
I good job of showing the game...
Anyway after that it was a mad-dash to the airport and back here to
Atlanta - I heard while I was away of the successes of Rush inspired
wales and Aldo inspired Eire so i missed only the wonderful banter
in here which i will catch up on slowly
now did someone say I was mad to do all this - hell I enjoyed it -
roll on next year.
regards,
Andrew.D.Wicks
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297.37 | The crisis is now a dilemma! | ISEQ::KLAMBERT | | Mon Jun 14 1993 10:32 | 22 |
| Apart from the last twenty minutes, when England start losing the
midfield battle, I thought England looked the part yesterday. They
competed and played the ball between defense and mid-field very
competantly. Wright could have done with another attacking forward
beside him (Sheringham, Shearer) and with Platt, Ince and Sinton doing
well in mid-field, the addition of an in-form Gascoine would render
a formidable mid-field at any level. Pallister is benefitting greatly
from these games and is making the Centre half spot his own. Des
Walker is still a good player and I think will recover from his recent
slump. Indeed, if Taylor does not make any silly mistakes/changes, I
think the whole Englsih side can recover from their recent slump.
Flowers did well in goal, although he had no spectacular saves to
make, and Dorigo and Barrett looked like two good defenders.
Hopefully, this will be a turning point for the side. One more
good performance needed against Germany, a nice rest from the game
and the media which all those players deserve, and the "crisis in
British football" may be only a "wee dilemma".
Keith.
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297.38 | Better...but why does it change..? | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Mon Jun 14 1993 10:35 | 18 |
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The England - Brazil game just showed what a clueless amanger Graham
Taylor is. He doesnt know how he wants them to play. The style England
play changes with everygame. Last night the team played with a pattern
and continually passed the ball about and DIDNT give it away everytime
the right back was in possesion,( mainly because Lee Dixon wasnt
playing).
At last most of the England team played in there correct position, we
didnt have a winger at left back or a right back in midfield, but
Taylor still couldnt resist playing the totally useless Nigel Clough in
attack, where he wasnt in the game at all.
When England play as they di last night, and against Holland earlier
this year, they look a good side.....why they dont play in that style
in every game is down to the manager.
Dave...
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297.39 | Was the first half that bad???? | KBOMFG::TANNER | Californian Girls are more fun!!!!! | Mon Jun 14 1993 11:47 | 15 |
|
I saw highlights of the second half last night and England were a lot better
than their previous two games, although Brazil didn't play the same quality
football as in the first hour against the Germans. The German commentator said
the first half wasn't worth showing, was it that bad?????
Well the Germans certainly know how to score goals, this is good for building
up interest in the game for the American fans, and you could see they were
enjoying it. I just hope the final game produces four or five goals as well
because the tournament has been entertaining so far.
-dave-
p.s Tom Dooley played for Kaiserslautern when they won the league two years ago.
He is also an inspiring force in the USA team.
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297.40 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR3-1/w7 | Mon Jun 14 1993 12:09 | 19 |
| Interesting footnote on Dooley (who's services are not 'needed' any
more in Kaiserslautern): In an interview he said his english is just
good enough "to get along with the guys somehow" and that he needs
an interpreter for serious interviews in the US media. I find this
amazing for a seemingly intelligent person with american parents, even
if he grew up in Germany.
REgardless of the outcome of the last game, I also find it amazing
that footballs motherland England seems to have serious trouble to
provide a winning national team. This goes on since England's last
WC win, which is ages ago.
With the climate, the infrastructure and the type of spectators I
think that europ. teams will continue to struggle (= not win the WC)
in a WC tournament on the american continent.
Watch out for Norway, though ...
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297.41 | Great progress in US Football | ZIGLAR::FOXWELL | OSF/ULTRIX/UNIX Specialist | Mon Jun 14 1993 13:47 | 41 |
| Well, I attended the Brazil-England match at RFK Stadium in Washington
DC yesterday, and got home in time to watch the taped rebroadcast by
Telemundo (Spanish-language TV network) of the US-Germany game.
Now let me get this straight:
The only possible reason for last week's 2-0 loss by England to the
Americans was total incompetence on the part of the English team, since
the whole world knows that the US is a not-to-be-taken-seriously-bunch-
of-amateurs-who-don't-even-CALL-it-Football. And Graham Taylor?
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
But now, England and Taylor have miraculously redeemed themselves by
a competent showing against Brazil?
All I can say about this line of reasoning, using a word understandable
on both sides of the Atlantic, is RUBBISH!
The Americans are now playing competent football, and the 2-0 loss by
England last week was not so much England's shame as America's pride.
There is no shame in losing to a good team. A team good enough to
match Germany 1-1 in the first half yesterday, I might add (and will
admit that the second half could have been much better).
I have been coaching youth soccer in the DC area for 14 years now, and
have avidly watched both our progress in major world contests such as
the Olympics and World Cup and in the support for the sport. I believe
we have reached an acceptable level of competition in the world
football community, in spite of the rather nasty international
attitudes to the contrary. We will probably not get close to victory
in the 94 World Cup, but neither will we be embarassed.
One final comment about yesterday's Brazil-England game...England
seemed to play inspired defense, and lackluster offense. My
14-year-old son (who plays in the highly competitive National Capital
Soccer League for young players) asked why Wright was hanging back
so much. Good question, from a kid who has played nothing but soccer
since he was 5 years old.
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297.42 | | BUSSTP::DSMITH | WORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRAT | Mon Jun 14 1993 14:19 | 26 |
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Having watched yesterday's game on the box, I find it a little strange
that England and their supporters can be pleased with the performance.
Ok, they didn't loose and they certainly played with a lot more spirit
than was shown against Norway and the USA, but they created hardly any
goal-scoring chances and spent a lot of time defending and chasing the
Brazilians whose movement and skill was far superior to Englands.
A couple of points from the coverage last night on ITV that proves to
me that some of these so-called "experts" really do talk some complete
nonsense at times.
1. Rodney Marsh at his after-match summary said that the Brazilian
goalkeeper had only 1 save to make in the game from Platts header.
In the next sentence he said England were the better team for 70
minutes!!
2. Ron Atkinson on Earl Barrett. Barrett had kicked the ball out of
play during the first half. Atkinson then said that at Aston Villa,
Barrett is told to make short passes to players who are better
equipped than he is at passing the ball. For goodness sake, this is
a so called international player and his club manager says he can't
pass the ball.
Danny.
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297.43 | | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Mon Jun 14 1993 14:53 | 29 |
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Re- Ron Atkinson and Earl Barrett..
I got the feeling Bojangles was having a dig at Taylor when he made
the comment referred to in .42. Barrett had just done his impression
of Lee Dixon and punted the ball as far as he could up the field, and I
think Bojangles was trying to say he isnt used to doing that at Villa,
and he wouldnt have done that at Villa. In defence of barrett, he didnt
give the ball away half as much as Dixon does.
I wasnt happy with Englands performance, as you said they created
nothing, but it was better than the thrashing I was expecting. At least
they competed, but until Taylor is replaced by someone who can get the
England players to pass the ball to each other consistantly, instead of
putting three passes together, panacking and just launching the ball into
the last third of the field hoping that someone might get on the end of
it, things will never improve. You cant give the ball away at any level
of Football and expect to win things.
Dave...
Ps...the funniest thing of all was listening to Brian Moore and co
trying to convince everyone that Taylor was a tactical genious for
replacing Batty with Platt. The same man that plays that goes to major
competitions without a right back and when we are losing 1-0 brings off
his centre back and replaces him with another centre back....oh he is a
great tactician....GET HIM OUT.
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297.44 | Time to turn the tables? | PTOVAX::BIGLER | Art Bigler - Technical OEM Group - DTN-422-7873 @PTO | Mon Jun 14 1993 16:38 | 13 |
| RE: US 2 - England nil
Well, now maybe we'll stop hearing all the moaning and groaning, etc.
about 1950!
A fair number of us here in the US are wondering if this all means that
we now can send coaches across the pond to teach the English schoolboys
the game?!?!?!?!?!?
By the way ABC - well done on the live coverage of the US vs. Germany!
Art
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297.45 | But how many watched it ?? | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 15 1993 12:08 | 8 |
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Art,
I wouldn't mind knowing what Variety rated the US v Germany game
as far as number of people watching the game on the network channel.
Any figures ??
Regards,
Dezzz.
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297.46 | Who Ruins Football. | PAKORA::AMCKAY | Andy Pandy | Thu Jun 17 1993 19:07 | 16 |
| If you ever listen to the likes of Hill,Motson,J Brown,Cameron and
many more,they talk about football as if they had played it all
their life and that we did'nt have the brains to know what was a good
move or pass etc.
These people have wormed there way into this role with little or no
past experience on the way the game is played,and we are now in danger
of our game being hi-jacked by people who talk a good game.
The US did well against England and fully deserved their victory,but
for the commentators to refuse to give the US little or no credit
for the way the played stinks.
If we continue to let these people dictate to us how they think the
game should be played then the future of our game looks bleak,as
opposed to all the up and coming nations whose football style and the
way they play it is a joy to watch rather than the punt up the park
that we see every week.
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297.47 | | DCEIDL::HINXMAN | Do not adjust your mind ... | Fri Jun 18 1993 16:31 | 13 |
| re .46
> If you ever listen to the likes of Hill,Motson,J Brown,Cameron and
> These people have wormed there way into this role with little or no
> past experience
Well, Jimmy Hill was a succesful manager, getting Coventry promoted
into the (then) First Division.
In his playing days, was he also secretary of the Professional
Footballers Association?
Tony
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297.48 | | BLKPUD::WATTERSONP | Four fox ache | Fri Jun 18 1993 17:21 | 26 |
| >> Well, Jimmy Hill was a succesful manager, getting Coventry promoted
>> into the (then) First Division.
>> In his playing days, was he also secretary of the Professional
>> Footballers Association?
What about the list of things he did that go against him ?
i - Making Coventry the first all-seater stadium not for safety
reasons, purely as a means to raise more money. This had the effect of
discouraging 'the man in the street' from attending football.
ii - Cheating by delaying the kick off of the Coventry - Bristol City
game in 1978 which meant they knew the score from Everton - Sunderland
game on the same night. Sunderland were relegated, Coventry and Bristol
City both stayed up
iii - Chairman of Charlton - encouraging them to leave the Valley and
move in as tennants at Selhurst Park
iv - As a player with Brentford he was so hated by the supporters
that he could only be picked for away games.
The only thing in his favour is his hatred of the jocks.... ;-)
Paul
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297.49 | Toe-Poke....... | PAKORA::JOWENS | | Fri Jun 18 1993 17:36 | 11 |
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re-1
......and his immortal commentary statement about David Narey's
"toe-poke" for Scotland against Brazil at the 82' world cup.
John
BTW Paul, if he hates us as much as we hate the English then he is
doing well....;-)
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297.50 | Grassing Detroit | SOLVIT::CAMPKIN | Resident Alien | Fri Jun 18 1993 21:50 | 10 |
| Back to the topic, tomorrow's game between England and Germany at the
Pontiac Silverdome in Detroit is being played on grass. The dome
normally has an artificial surface but to comply with FIFA requirements
it needs to be grassed for the World Cup (it's one of the venues). The
way in which they are grassing it is strange to say the least.
According to this week's Sports Illustrated the grass has been grown in
hexgagonal 'boxes' which are being put together like a huge jigsaw all over
the artificial surface. It will interesting to see how it stands up.
Gerry
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297.51 | England lose (again)\ | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Sat Jun 19 1993 23:23 | 47 |
| Well the hexagonal boxes of grass put up a better showing than england who
went down 2-1 to germany and finish bottom (or fourth for you optimists)
of the table for U.S Cup 1993.
Deciding that he didn't have a decent left-back Graham (the genius)
taylor decided to play without one - i'm not kidding! also he decided
to play without a forward - could this be the first 1-3-7-0 formation?
martyn
barrett pallister walker <nobody>
sharpe sinton clough ince platt merson barnes
<nobody>
actually the commentators tried to tell us that Sharpe and sinton were
full-backs giving England 5 at the back and that Barnes and Clough
were forwards!!!!! so it was 'a traditional 5-3-2' but nobody appeared
to have told the England players.
Germany playing almost a settled team - Kohler had returned to Germany
but the rest of the team looked ominously familiar played by far the
better football in front of about 60,000 people in the indoor
mickey-Mouse stadium - oh I fib Bodo illgner was back in goal in place
of Koepke. But it was your usual Klinsmann, Riedle, Matthaus, Buchwald
effenberg, helmer, moller, schultz, ziege line-up - i'm missing one
I know!
Effenberg got the first after the 3 or 5 man england defence played
like a 0 man defence and let him waltz in and score but the mighty man
Platt who's scored all (both) of england's goals in this tournament pulled
one back.
In the second half someone must have told that master tactician Graham
Taylor that even though the game was indoors he was allowed to play
a full-back and forward and so winterburn entered for sharpe and wright
for clough - Keown also came on for Pallister but they never looked
like scoring and sure enough klinsmann popped up for the second german
goal and won them the tournament.
It wasn't that good of a game but then since I'd watched the others
live at the stadium it wasn't going to look that good on a small
screen tv anyway. so what is england's recent record?
played 5 won 0 drawn 2 lost 3
World-beaters or what?
Regards,
Andrew.D.Wicks
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297.52 | Brazil 2 U.S.A 0 - Match report | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Mon Jun 21 1993 01:23 | 176 |
| sorry these took so long but last week was not a good week at Digital.
here finally is a report on Brazil v U.S.A played in New HAven on Sunday
June 6th - the Foxboro game will appear later tonight and the two D.C
games tomorrow hopefully...
Andrew.D.Wicks
U.S.A v Brazil
==============
Well it makes sense to someone I guess why a Welshman who traversed the U.S
last year to see Scotland, Ireland, Italy and Portugal play should do it all
over again this year but this time to see Brazil, Germany and England.
leaving Atlanta on a saturday night it was sunny, about 90 degrees and too
bloody humid for my liking. arriving in Hartford Connecticut some two hours
late it was overcast, chucking it down with rain and about 40 degrees cooler
- I must be close to the football I thought!
Waking early on the Sunday morning I peered nervously through the curtains
to find it was still dark? - no stupid I hadn't opened my eyes - it was still
overcast, relatively cool and the rain had just about stopped.
I had arranged to meet Tom Hill (as in "The Late Tom Hill") and Frank "aldo"
Way down at one of the few remaining DIGITAL offices in New england in Rocky
Hill (Rocky is apparently a cousin of Tom's) and so I proceeded down I-91
stopping only for Coffee a'la Macdonalds arriving well before the 11am meeting
hour.
Frank turned up just after me and Tom keeping up his record was Late as usual.
I hadn't met them in a year since Aldo's mesmerising performance against
the portuguese so we talked for a while until someone remembered that we had
a football game to go to way down in New Haven so we piled into my rental
car and continued southwards. Tom was in charge of directions - I only knew
to turn right or left when we hit the water.
The game was being played at the Yale bowl part of Yale University (Yale
is a bit poncy like Oxford or Cambridge) and we didn't have much trouble
finding a traffic-jam full of Brazilians to follow (Connecticut has a large
portuguese community) at which point Frank fell in love for the first and not
the last time that day with the Brazilian babes! Would they know all about
the great Aldo and his impressive scoring record (double entendre!)
We were herded into a fairly elaborate filtering system, where 3 lanes of
traffic became 2 and then 1 (each time I was in the wrong one) before the
single file queue went up hill, down dale, round a gym, through a trail
and across a horse field to our car park.
once parked we opened the beers, talked more footie and checked out the
Brazilian support - well at least the female ones - you've seen them on
TV and they're just as good close up. I'm all for playing Brazil more
often - they're a damn sight prettier than the scottish supporters.
about an hour before kick-off we decided to go inside (beer was low) and
it was soon apparent why Yale wasn't selected as a world cup venue. there
was one gap in a chain link fence for an entrance with temporary turnstiles
stuck into the ground. The refreshments were almost non-existant (less than
even Elm park) - one visibly hot-dog stand. oh and there was 1 bathroom on
this side of the stadium which is supposed to hold 70,000 - obviously
people with strong bladders only - and no beer for sale!!!
The worst was yet to come, the entrance to our seats was down a long dark
tunnel with a gate at one end. Now i've been to Hillsborough (before the
tragedy) and many other pre-roman English league grounds and I don't recall
ever seeing a deathtrap on this scale. FIFA got one decision right when
they turned this place down.
Inside the stadium it is as it's name suggests a bowl shape dug into a small
hill with bench-like seats all the way round and no cover. the sidelines
are in mock-roman (or was it greco-roman?) architecture with concrete steps
down onto the field and almost to the touchline.
The crowd was almost all green and yellow Brazilian flags, footie shirts
oh and those Brazilian babes! whatever Americans were there seemed to have
brought entire youth teams. very few American flags. without Aldo to support
who was away preparing to annihilate Latvia we decided to cheer for Dunga.
The U.S team was short 3 players still in europe (wynalda, Dooley, ramos)
and Hugo Perez in Saudi Arabia. brazil were short Romario but otherwise
appeared near full-strength and included a lot of players from sao Paulo
the copa Libertadores champions.
The U.S also ommitted quinn (who was born in Northern ireland), Kinnear
who had played for Motherwell and some other previous starters in MAx-Moore,
Balboa and murray but had john Harkes in a 3-man midfield, wegerle as one of
the two strikers and 5 at the back.
Brazil in an apparent 4-4-2 formation had from the 90 world Cup I saw
Taffarel in goal (Carlos at 37 was in the squad), Julio Caesar and Branco were
still there. in midfield Dunga (junior at 38 was in the squad - time to recall
Glenn Hoddle?). Up front was Careca - but no place for Muller, bebeto, Ronato
- what a hell of a team.
Well the drums started - the Brazilian national anthem apparently starts
and ends with instrumental verses as the crowd only sang the middle 7 verses
and it was almost time for kick-off.
Brazil started quickly, maybe keen to impress their huge support which must
have been about 75% of the 44,000 in the crowd and after 5 minutes they were
in front. A free-kick on the left side of the box, the U.S defence rushed out
leaving 3 brazilians well off-side, the kick came in and careca nonchalantly
put it away. then it was like slow motion as everyone realised that the linesman
hadn't raised his flag and was running back towards the half-way line.
the Brazilians went wild and the entire U.S side rushed after the linesman
I know that the referee is always right (well at least Jeff-the-ref) but this
was appalling. All the U.S players were outside the box, the 3 Brazilians were
inside and that white 18-yard line across the pitch is a dead give away. only
days later on TV did I see that the linesman had been nowhere near the 18-yard
line instead he was standing on the corner flag - can someone (jeff?) explain
to me what the **** he was up to. I'm all in favour of restoring the death
penalty for bad offside calls (:==:)
The U.S heads sunk and they really never recovered as their badly organised
5-man defence struggled against the 2-man Brazilian attack. sometime they
appeared to be playing 3 right-backs, the left-back was abysmal and only
Armstrong looked like a defender.
The U.S midfield was anonymous or invisible and Brazil picked up any U.S attack
before it crossed halfway. the Brazilians who were only warming up for Copa
America and the world-Cup qualifications looked really impressive and cohesive
and their inter-play was artistic, fast and accurate. Luisinhio hit the
side-net and elivelton (no not Evil Elton) hit the post and half-time they
really should have been 4-0 up. The u.s apparently had one shot but I don't
remember it unless it was one of the Brazilian defenders who sent a powerful
back-header goalwards forcing Taffarel to save.
at half-time the Brazilians left to loud applause, singing and drum beating
and Tom left in search of some beer - returning with a red liquid he claimed
was Watney's red Barrel!!!
we had a couple of substitutes at half-time - the U.S swopped strikers
(why their problem was further back?) - the brazilians exchanged midfielders
and then the u.S swopped another defender but still their two worst players
remainded on the field.
as Dunga wasn't getting much of the ball in the 2nd half i switched my tactics
to heckling Wegerle. frank had already started picking on john doyle who
was clearly related to Tony adams.
The Brazilians slowed the game down, keeping possession and looked 3 leagues
above the u.S - there weren't as many shots on goal but it was still
different to watching an aerial battle involving wimbledon. Frank suddenly
spotted that no U.S attack could start without Armstrong touching the ball.
players who crossed half-way with the ball were yelled at and had to play
the ball all the way back to their own 18-yard line for des to touch the ball.
Had the brazilian put 2 men on Des the entire U.S game plan would have been
nullified (graham taylor didn't notice this either)
As the game wore on Brazil brought on rai and Cafu the two hottest
properties in Brazil (rai is socrates's younger brother) and the u.s responded
by swopping one of their less effective players for another... and then 3
minutes from the end Luis Carlos winck got a 2nd goal but it could have been
so many more.
We waited a while after the game but it was still a crush getting out of that
tunnel and through the narrow gate and we found the car in the now crowded
car park because Frank headed up to where "The Great Aldo would have parked it"
and found it before tom or I. We drank some more beer, watched some more
women and talked some more football until we could move the car.
Then following Frank's short-cut through new haven we drove for ever through
areas of boarded up houses, drug-dealers and prostitutes before finally arriving
back on I-91 before we would have ran out of petrol. At Rocky Hill I dropped
tom and frank off at their cars and headed back to Hartford for a post-match
bevvy at the HArtford Brewing Company an excellent brew pub on Pearl St. their
ESB was ok (too cold) but their Porter was excellent stuff
and so to bed but as we all agreed there was no way that the U.S we had seen
today would be able to keep the score down against England - little did we
know...
Your man on the spot
Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman
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297.53 | U.S.A 2 England 0 - an alternative match report | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Mon Jun 21 1993 06:32 | 202 |
| Part 2 of war-and-Peace aka "a welshman on tour with Graham Taylor's mighty
men" sees your correspondent in Foxboro (Boston) for the historic U.S
defeat of england.
regards,
andrew.d.wicks
U.S.A 2 England 0 - Foxboro June 9th 1993
=========================================
Little did I know when I was visiting Mark twain's house or Longfellow's
Wayside Inn in the two days following the Yale game that I would be witnessing
something far more historic on tuesday evening at Foxboro stadium in Mass.
Certainly following the recent performances of both the U.S and england
everything pointed to a boring 0-0 draw
This time I met Tom and Frank at the DIGITTAL MRO facility but even though
Frank and i had both driven all the way up from Connecticut it was the late
Tom Hill who was late as usual for the 2.30pm rendevezous. The grill, food
and the essential beers were loaded into the back of the rental car and we
headed the 20 or so miles down I-495 to foxboro stadium sight of many previous
football games against eire, italy and Portugal.
Pulling into the empty car park nearest the stadium three initial attempts to
park were thwarted by the Fascist Parking company of New england who seem to
have the franchise for parking at foxboro - so watch out for them next year!
the grill was started and the beers were opened - some bass Ale to celebrate
the visit of mighty england (:==:) and a particularly fine bottle of Pete's
wicked Ale from San Francisco - if you come over next year check out
Microbreweries like this one as they do make some really good beer - yes even
for americans.
We talked about wales's victory over the Faroes and about what might be
happening thousands of miles away as The Great Aldo took on latvia and norway
met Holland in important world cup qualifiers.
as the car park filled it was obvious that there were an awful lot of english
fans here - a white van pulled up near us and disembarked a bunch of people
including two west Ham supporters (yes half their total support). there were
leeds shirts, lots from Man city (why???) but I never did locate the one Boro
supporter in the U.S - sorry Alan but I looked until the rain started.
an hour before the game having eaten the food and with only enough beer left
for after the game we started to go inside and sure enough the heavens opened
and it absolutely belted it down with rain. obviously having been advised
about English football hooligans the stadium authorities has banned umbrella's
- this decision was extremely popular with footbll mums and dads who
had brought their kids and entire school teams to the game - I heard one
middle aged lady ask the security guard for his name so she could write to
his boss and i'm sure a few bemused senators/congressman received some letters
about infringement of civil liberties - this is America after all.
tom was sporting the latest in american soccer hooligan outfit known as the
old black dustbin bag, whereas frank had the mexican poncho look on. we waited
beneath the stands until the rain mercifully abaited just before kick-off but
long enough to see the scores of the eire game (we just sensed that aldo had
scored) and from Norway. Taking our seats near the touchline in row 12 we
mentioned to Tom how awful these seats were and he'd better do better next year!
we'd brought along an entire Boston Globe to sit on since the seats were soaken
- whoever said American journalism and all those advertising supplements didn't
have value - it definitely stopped a case of wet bottie!!
The U.S had made a couple of changes from Sunday bringing in the players who
weren't available then so Dooley, ramos and wynalda came in for Murray,
henderson and Harbor. frank who had decided that Doyle was the worst player
anywhere in the world was stunned that he was still in the team but he had
someone to heckle at least - and wegerle was there so I could boo him. Tom
sporting a nifty Denmark outfit (No I don't know why) looked on.
England played with woods in goal, Dixon at left-back (don't they have
anyone decent?), Dorigo at right-back and Pallister and palmer at centre-back
- this one was particularly bemusing - did arsenal buy all the english
centre-backs and refuse to release them or something. In midfield there was
Sharpe on one side and the great john barnes on the other with ince and batty
(nora?) in the midfield. up front was les ferdinand and the newly Liverpool
signed Nigel Clough. so no Platt, gazza or Shearer. the absence of tony
adams was sorely missed since we had been practising our donkey impressions!
and with gazza not here what were we going to do with all those Mars Bars?.
What can I remember from the first half well let's see everyone looked
uncomfortable on a wet field (surely the Mancs at least should be used to one)
but the U.S back 5 looked a lot more solid than they had against Brazil. the
midfield with Ramos and dooley were actually in the game as opposed to whoever
was supposed to have been playing there on Sunday though. the 5-4-1 formation
still seemed a little strange but even if it was more effective with Wynalda
up front you figure they ought play with two forwards if they want to win
anything.
as for england well Dorigo looked solid, Palmer was hopeless at centre-back
- surely he's a midfielder and I wasn't too impressed by the batty-ince
partnership in midfield - gascoigne and Platt must be a better bet. ferdinand
up front ran a lot but I was never really sure whether it was Barnes or Clough
that was supposed to be partnering him and neither did they!
the U.S started brightly and either played or were allowed to play a more
settled and composed game than they had against Brazil. England though didn't
look as bad as reports in the newspapers or the notes file had suggested
- they weren't good but they weren't as bad as i'd expected.
about 10 minutes before half-time ferdinand decided he'd had enough of
wasting his time trying to play with barnes/clough and went off to be
replaced by Ian (I play for the arse so i'm a hard guy) wright.
and then on 38 mins with the game drifting towards the expected halftime 0-0
draw agoos crossed the ball beyond the england defence, ramos pulled it back and
Dooley headed it in from the 6-yard line. Tom and Frank went wild, I was
thinking whether I should go and call Jon or grahame (:==:)
england were roundly booed off at halftime by their travelling support - I
thought I heard a distinctly scottish accent yell "you're worse than bloody
scotland" - but he didn't sound too disappointed to me. the 3 of us joined
in with shouts of "taylor out' - it seemed to be the right thing to do. I
went back in the stands in search of jeff-the-ref and gerry but failed to find
either of them - gerry being english was probably hiding from me.
over halftime the 37,00 crowd was even treated to the world-cup scores an
unheard of thing in the u.s. The norway-holland score brought no reaction
from the english fans but the eire result sent a few people in irish shirts
behind the goal into dances of delight - eire winning and england losing was
clearly too much excitement for one night. we knew of course that TGA had got
one of the goals - the night was so good it just had to be true.
The second-half started with no team changes but with england playing towards
us their failings were more noticeable. Palmer was completely out-of-his-depth
at centre-half and the 3-man england front line had no idea where on that line
each of them should be playing and they kept running into each other. Poor lee
sharpe at one point beat a defender and crossed from the left only to find all
3 standing at the near post checking out the number of their hairdressers!
couldn't graham Taylor see this too - surely he could have told one of them to
play on the right or far post assuming they do know their right from their left
that is.
despite this england somehow had the better chances - two from nigel clough
one a shot and the other a free-kick both well saved by meola. after 60 minutes
taylor finally decided that a second centre-half might be a good idea and on
came walker for palmer - to defend the 1-0 defeat obviously. so the U.s
responded by replacing the injured Dooley (who had been hacked severely by
the skilful Paul ince) with alexei Lalas - who looks exactly like Catweazle
and they also took wynalda off and replaced him by Ernie stewart who plays
in Holland.
And then on 68 minutes it happened - Ramos sent a corner in from the left
which lalas met unchallenged with a powerful header into the back of the net.
The U.S contingent went wild and despite being nominally a resident of
reading england I could contain my joy no more. I had seen Costa rica beat
scotland on grahame's TV and still remember the look on Alan's face but this
was even better an embarrasing england defeat witnessed live - I wish we could
have seen Jon or grahame's faces flashed up on the big screen at the end of the
field at that point. as the cheering died down Tom, frank and I talked about
how many scottish and irish based noters would be wishing the English well in
the notesfile as soon as they logged in.
Lalas in an extreme sporting gesture that you may have seen on TV rushed towards
the England, sank to his knees and shook his fists at the ENglnd bench. In
baseball or hockey (and naturally at highbury) that would have started a
full-scale riot.
at this point with 20 minutes to go and with their first loss to the u.S in 43
years on the cards you would have expected a more attacking England - you know
consolation goal or revenge but no taylor stuck with the players who had got
him this far wright who had quite a good game when he had managed to avoid the
tackles of Barnes and clough had two good chances both of which were
excellently saved by Meola. in all the despondency it should be pointed out
that england actually outshot the U,S by 3 to 1 though it doesn't seem like
that and they still weren't as bad as the score suggests but you have to
question the formation and the tactics.
gradually the u.s realised they were going to win this game and defended the
lead and england were booed extensively at the end of the game. we had witnessed
history - 1950 was over a decade before i was born and as we said the next
time this will happen Tom, frank and i will be in our 70's!!! - but for this
one moment I can say "I was there"
Tom and frank set off for the car, leaving me and the irish supporters to
go over to the players tunnel to help the English supporters boo off the England
team (I didn't enjoy it honest - though I did mention one 4-1 result at wrexham)
and that scottish guy was there again, see all of the 4 nations can unite in
at least one common goal - booinG Graham taylor.
I purchased my souvenier shirt of the game so I can show it to Jon when
i'm next in reading - or get it out whenever English people visit Atlanta! and
then I joined Tom and Frank at the car for some more beers - the bass tasted
much sweeter. we also had a kick-about game of football and talk turned to next
year's world cup - without England or Scotland who would provide the necessary
light relief from 40 0-0 draws and then penalty shoot-outs.
I left Tom and Frank in marlboro having said my goodbye's for another year
(one day someone will make a movie out of this!!) and set off extremely
tired but happy for hartford
The song "at the end of a perfect day" came to mind and I thought
"june 9th 1993 U.S.A 2 England 0, Foxboro Mass"
"I was there!"
Your man on the spot,
Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman.
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297.54 | | PLUNDR::LOWEG | You don't want to do it like that!! | Mon Jun 21 1993 10:18 | 7 |
|
I take it their not very strict on drink driving in America !!!!
g.
|
297.55 | Entertaining enough.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 21 1993 10:38 | 26 |
|
I'm afraid it was a case of Men against boys in Pontiac. The trio from
Bayern certainly ran the show, Helmer, Matthaus and Ziege with Zieg
being for me man of the match. Most interesting comment from Trevor
Brooking on some of the German players...'Maybe it's time the English
FA took a leaf out of Jack Charlton's book and see if any of the
Germans had English grannies or grandads...'
Fully entertaining game, with the best of the English being Merson,
Ince and Pallister. The score itself was close, but how many times did
you see England 'playing' football in the German half. They seemed
intent on a basketball like 24 second clock to get a shot in once they
had possession. Still, like has been often said, England are now of
course waiting for the likes of Shearer, Gascoigne and Pearce to
bolster up their performances. I hope when the time comes that these
are back in the team, that possible injuries to Ince, Merson or
Pallister don't try to cover up for further inept performances, the
inadequecy of the England management team.
One last note, the England goal was sheer class, the potential IS
there. It's a shame it not being tapped!!
Cheers,
Dezzz.
|
297.56 | | IOSG::HOLTD | Dave Holt | Mon Jun 21 1993 10:43 | 0 |
297.57 | I'm no expert but... | IOSG::HOLTD | Dave Holt | Mon Jun 21 1993 11:07 | 20 |
| Up until the Poland game I thought England were shaping up OK but these last
five matches were dreadful. How can Taylor expect to win games when he plays
Clough and Barnes in the same team? Both looked like they wanted to be anywhere
but playing for England and I don't personally think Clough will last one season
at Liverpool. He actually is a First Division player, not a Premier Div player.
The real long term problem for England is that we don't actually have many
athletes and little stamina. The U.S., Norway, Brazil and (always) Germany over
powered us with sheer athleticism and if you watch the Italian football on
Channel 4 you can see why we have so few exports. How many shots did we have on
target throughout the U.S. tournament? How many of our players are capable of
hitting the ball hard enough outside the box to beat a world class 'keeper?
Ince, Gascoigne, Merson, Barnes (curlers only) er......We limit our options
before taking the field.
Dave Holt (struck down by knee ligament injury one Sunday in the park, just as I
was about to sign professionally at 33)
|
297.58 | Excellent stuff Andrew.... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Someone somewhere in summertime!!!!!! | Mon Jun 21 1993 12:10 | 26 |
| Andrew those were some of the best match reports I have ever read. Those
Brazilian babes are something else. I can relate to you in that sense!!!!! I
spent one hell of a weekend down in Turin during WC90, where Brazil were based
and it was there I learnt Samba and Lambada!!!!!!!
I thought England played some good footie on saturday night, and in my eyes
John Barnes had one of his better games for England, even though he was partly
to blame for the German winner. Ince and Platt were also impressive but if Adams
is a donkey then Pallister must be a close relative (camel)...
Best Germans on view were (in my eyes) just two Bayern players Helmer and
Ziege, and Effenberg my personal MOTM. Dezzz we both know what Matth�us is
capable of, and he didn't produce the goods, its's just a pity that Vogts doesn't
see this and also have the coconuts to take him off. I wonder which midfielder
he'll take off when Thomas H�ssler returns who is the best midfield player
the Germans have. He missed out on the Tournament because of club commitments
(As Rome) as well as Thom and Kirsten both forwards from Bayer Leverkusen.
Overall I enjoyed the games, and the tournament was a big success, unless of
course your an English fan.
-dave-
P.s Does anybody out there know if Jimmy Hill and Heribert Fassbender (German
commentator) are related???? They both talk the same rubbish, Heribert went
even as far as to call Graham Taylor a Genius....
|
297.59 | Waldorf and Statler... | KBOMFG::KOEPPE | Think Imaginary... | Mon Jun 21 1993 12:31 | 8 |
| RE .58 Heribert Fassbender:
In fact he called Graham Taylor twice a very INTELLIGENT coach, who
didn't deserve the criticism he get's in the English press!!!
Heribert Fassbender and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge for the Muppets Show. :-)
Eduard
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297.60 | soccer indoors - a hit | KAOA09::TROU31::MCCANN | | Mon Jun 21 1993 15:02 | 69 |
| Twenty of us made the trip from Whitby (near Toronto) to take in the
England - Germany game at the Pontiac Silverdome. It is about a 5 hour
drive to the Silverdome which is home to the Detroit Lions NFL football
team - why they are called the Detroit Lions is beyond me as the Dome
is out in the middle of nowhere, miles from Detriot.
The game was to begin at 2:00pm, we arrived about noon to setup our
tailgate get together. There was no alcohol served inside the Dome
but all of the local bars had the beer flowing as there was no alcohol
free zone around the dome which was threatened. The one bar inside
the stadium was closed due to a private General Motors party.
Security inside and outside the Dome was very visible. In talking
with one of the ushers, she mentioned that security staff was
doubled for the game as compared to an NFL game. Also there are
usually 80,000 fans for the NFL games while there were only 62,000
for the soccer game. There was a huge police presence and also
special SWAT teams camped out in the back of U-Haul trucks and there
was a police helicopter circling the Dome.
We went inside the stadium about 1:15 to catch the warm-ups. Inside
was truly a terrific sight. The natural grass pitched looked in
perfect condition. Normally we see the artifical surf on the TV for
the football games but seeing the natural grass inside the Dome was
terrific. There was a little history behind the grass displayed on
the Dome TV, the grass was originally grown in California and shipped
in refrigerated trucks to Detroit a couple of weeks before the game.
This game was to be a test as there are 5 World Cup game scheduled
for next year at this site.
The game itself was very entertaining although as someone mentioned
earlier, it was truly the men vs the boys. The Germans looked strong,
fit and more skillful then the disorganized panic-stricken English.
The English couldn't seem to able to string more than a couple of
passes together while at one point, the Germans strung 18 consecutive
passes together before putting in a cross. The English were never
able to get possession of the ball, they had numerous goal kicks
but ended up kicking the long ball ensuring a fifty-fifty chance of
Germany getting the ball. The German keeper on the other hand very
rarely kicked the ball, he was always allowed to distribute the ball
to his full-backs as the Engligh never pressured the Germans, the
Germans were allowed to play their game.
It was also apparent that the English lacked heart, they didn't
seem to have the desire or the will to win, they didn't seem to
want to play for each other or support each other. On numerous
occasions the Germans were on the break and the English midfield
were just walking back especially Sinton and Clough. This was what
happened on the first German goal, no one came back to support
Pallister and the German was able to cut back against an over
committed Pallister and had plenty of time to slip the ball into
the net. Most of the people I was with and the people we met were
very disappointed with the intensity and the heart of the English
but we also respected how good the Germans were, they were in
control most of the game and really should of scored more than the
2 goals.
However it was still a very entertaining experience even though
we got soaked leaving the Dome as there was a raging thunderstorm
after the game. We are certainly looking forward to next year. The
other guys and myself that went down are members of a soccer club
and we just purchased 100 tickets, 20 tickets for 5 World Cup games
in Orlando Florida. We originally were trying for Boston but they
were all sold out so we had to settle for Orlando. Of course we
don't know who's going to be playing but we're guessing Brazil will
be seeded in Orlando - it doesn't matter we're going to enjoy the
experience no matter who plays.
Regards...your man on the spot outside Detriot...Jim
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297.61 | Jim Are ya any relation to the man that sings those ballad songs back home????? | KBOMFG::TANNER | Someone somewhere in summertime!!!!!! | Mon Jun 21 1993 16:08 | 0 |
297.62 | sorry
| KAOA09::TROU31::MCCANN | | Mon Jun 21 1993 16:42 | 3 |
| No, its definitely not me - I can't sing a note.
Jim
|
297.63 | I remember those Canadians | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Mon Jun 21 1993 17:43 | 13 |
| Jim,
great match report - had I known that you and the rest of the team were
going down to Detroit I might have asked my bank manager for an
overdraft Please say hello to everyone for me as i'm sure they
remember that strange Welshman from last year!
Are you going to see the Canada v Australia game or is it at the other
end of the country?
Regards,
Andrew.D.Wicks
|
297.64 | canada vs australia | KAOA09::TROU31::MCCANN | | Mon Jun 21 1993 18:20 | 12 |
| No we won't be going to this game as it is almost in the Arctic
in Edmonton which is only about 2000 miles away from Toronto.
Besides we have our club golf tournament that day.
Nice to hear from you Andrew, I have been in reading some notes
but I don't really have as much time as I would like. Hopefully
you can extend your stay and maybe we will see you next year in
Orlando. We will definitely be trying to arrange some games for
us while we're down there and you're definitely welcome to join
us.
Jim
|
297.65 | Questions, questions..... | ICS::KETT | | Mon Jun 21 1993 21:37 | 51 |
| Having missed the live Sports Channel broadcast on Saturday afternnon,
I settled down Sunday night at 10pm to watch the rebroadcast, in a
carefully protected blissful state of ignorance of the outcome of the
game on Saturday. Ever the optimist, I hoped that England would rise to
the occasion and smite the Old Enemy once again, just like in '66.
Nice goal by Platt, (He really is the only one who looks like he's
serious about playing for his country. I saw him actually retrieve the
ball for the German 'keeper several times after the ball had gone out
of play, as if to say, "Let's get on with this.") with a great pass
from Ince to set it up. For the 10 minutes right before the Platt goal,
England actually looked like they wanted to see the ball in the back of
the German net. For the first 20 minutes of the first half, and for
almost the whole of the second half, the Germans were in complete
control of the game.
I can't remember how many times we'd see an English clearance from the
goal area, or an English goal kick, and, as the ball is sailing upfield
and the Sports Channel cameraman is furiously panning to catch up with
it, I'm thinking, "Now let's see which red shirt that's been cleared
to," only to see the damn thing fall to one of a row of three German
defenders strung out all the way across the field. By midway through
the second half, I was getting so irate with these senseless turnovers
that I was talking quite loudly at the TV and acutally woke up my
slumbering wife, who'd been roundly put to sleep by the compelling
play. Big mistake....she continued the razzing that's been a non-stop
feature of life my our house since we saw the Foxboro debacle.
My question for those of you who were there, and not subject to the
lousy Sports Channel camera work, is as follows: where the heck was the
English front line when all these massive boots upfield were happening?
Were England only playing with 9 men for most of the second half? (I
know they momentarily went back up to 10 at one point, 'cos Barnes
slipped back on the field to make the lateral pass to a white shirt
that set up the second German score. He promptly disappeared again for
the rest of the half right after this, so I assume he left the field
for the trainer's bench and a rest.) I keep reading in this notes
conference and elsewhere about the 5-KICKS-AND-THEN-ITS-A-GOAL
strategy, and I assume that was what I was seeing at work, but if thats
the case, how come we only ever seemed to have
1-KICK-AND-THEN-HAVE-THE-HUNS-SHOVE-IT-RIGHT-BACK? When are the other
four kicks and the score supposed to happen? Whatever happened to the
idea that it's OK to have a full back clear the ball from the goalbox
to a waiting halfback at the side of the field, who will then play the
ball forward to an open winger, who will then take on and beat his man
at midfield, etc?
Please, will someone respond? Inquiring minds want to know......
Regards,
Alan
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297.66 | Brazil 3 Germany 3 | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Tue Jun 22 1993 05:29 | 158 |
| Part 3 of 4 in this mini-series soon to be major motion picture (:==:)
This is the shortest of the 4 match reports (don't all cheer at once) primarily
because I forgot to write up my notes that evening and was too nackered to do it
the next day.
Brazil v Germany - Washington D.C June 10th 1993
=================================================
Well after almost a full 4 hours sleep I got up at the ungodly hour of 5am
to catch the only direct jet flight from Hartford to Washington D.C at 7.05am.
It was still only 9am when I arrived in the Nation's capital so I checked
into my hotel before 10 and had a good 3 hours kip - there is something
delightfully sinful about going to bed at 10 in the morning, like sleeping
with your high school teacher (:==:)
Driving back into D.C just after 1pm it almost felt like a Sunday
afternoon. I stopped to pick up a copy of the washington post and yes it
was true england had lost to the U.S the night before - was that really
only 18 hours ago? had I really been there? what was I missing in the
notesfile?
RFK stadium is dead-easy to find off I-295, they even sent me a map and
directions when I bought my ticket - they don't do that at selhurst park!
so I arrived in plenty of time. The temperature was an incredible 95 degrees
at 2pm in the afternoon - for someone who grew up in cardiff that is easily
at least 45 degrees too hot and could be a problem for the east coast day
games in next years finals (the same problem will affect the west coast
day games also)
Brazil brought in Jorginhio for Luis Carlos and Rai for Boiadero so still
no place for Muller or Bebeto. Germany lined up Koepke (not Illgner), Helmer,
Kohler, Buchwald, Zorc, Moeller, Effenberg, Ziege, Matthaus, sammer and
klinsmann (dive, dive, dive) , haessler hadn't made the trip, thon injured
himself in the warm-up and there was no place for Karl-heinze reidle the best
German player in my opinion.
the pitch was very wide, well seeded and extremely green unlike the
surface at Foxboro and from what i've seen of the other wc pitches this
may be the best one by a long shot.
To say the first-half was one-sided would be an understatement - if this
ws a boxing match the ref would have stopped it after 30 minutes to allow
the german undertakers to come on the field and give the German side a decent
burial! It was so one-sided you wondered why the score at the half was only
3-0. this was vintage Brazil the stuff that they keep showing on the TV
from the 1970s when we were all small children in front of probably a
black-and-white TV.
There was one classic moment where Careca completely took the piss out of the
Germans and touched the ball about 12 teams on foot, knee and chest without
the ball touching the ground.
Brazil's midfield controlled the game. Rai who is on his way to Paris St Germain
for next season was all he had been hyped to be. Dunga looked good too and
branco's free-kicks made Stuart pearce look like a nancy boy.
at one free-kick early on to the left and outside the penalty area Branco
hit it with his left-foot around the right-hand side of the wall and it looked
to be heading perfectly into the top-right corner of the goal. As soon as it
passed the wall the ball changed its mind and took a 90 degree turn to the left
and instead headed toward the top-left corner. Koepke was stranded but the ball
missed the post by inches. from roughly behind the kick where I was the curve
of the ball just took my breath away - this was worth the admission price alone.
after 13 minutes a cross from Luisinhio hit the gernman defender Helmer who
couldn't get out of the way and put the ball into his own-net. After 32 minutes
Careca was wrestled to the ground in the area and he put away the resulting
penalty (his 30th goal in 60 games) and then 9 minutes later Luisinhio
easily beat the German defence and the goalie for the third.
Half-time couldn't come quick enough for the Germans but the brazilians
left to a standing ovation, lots of drums and singing and three particularly
attractive Brazilian supporters of the female persuasion doing the samba in
tight white leotards that I can't mention in a family notesfile such as this!!!
in the second-half Riedle was brought on to partner Klinsmann up front - the
poor guy had seen so little of the ball in the first half that he hadn't
even had the chance to do a decent dive!
The brazilians had stepped down at least two gears, whether because of the
heat or the 3-0 lead I don't know, and whilst still playing neat attractive
football were no where like the fast, attractive breathtaking football
team of before.
the temperature was now a mere 90 degrees for the crowd of 34,000
(not bad for a weekday afternoon)
you still couldn't see germany scoring and after 57 minutes they introduced
strunz to midfield who seemed a good player. then after 66 minutes a tired
clearance by Julie caesar fell to Ziege who passed the ball to klinsmann
who whopped it into the net to bring the score down to 3-1, somehow he managed
to injure himself in the process and stayed off the field for a minute - still
surely it was nothing but a consolation goal?
Then on 74 minutes Germany introduced michael schultz. he is one of the tallest
players i've ever seen - he's listed at 6 4 but looks much taller and looks
like a basketball player. he also has a very strange antelope like run and is
one of the most scary players I've ever seen. Hans pieter Briegel I remember
looked like a brick s**thouse but this player redefines the term. the poor
5 ft 4 Brazilians must have wondered whether the guy dieted on raw meat and
certainly hoped he'd been fed that morning! (you don't get match reports
like this in the Guardian you know).
With the three changes in the german line-up and particularly the agressive
running of Riedle you could now see the Germans getting a second - the
Brazilians were definitely tiring as well as sitting on the lead. they made
3 substitutions at this point to introduce fresh legs but it certainly
upset the balance of their side.
on 80 minutes Riedle hit a relatively accurate shot at Taffarel who failed
to hold it and Moeller tapped the rebound in to make it 3-2
It was now only a matter of time before the Germans equalised but the time
on the stadiun clock said 00:00. the americans in the crowd and especially
the Brazilians either headed for the exits or booed the ref assuming that
as in basketball or American football that 00:00 means game over. In
football here in the U.S the stadium clock is switched off when 2 minutes
of regular time remains (after 88 mins for you mathematicians) irrespective of
how many minutes there are left - an important lesson for you Irish fans
who will be casting aspersions on the ref's parentage next year as you stoughtly
defend a 1-0 lead (Aldo of course) in the quarter-final against argentina.
Sure enough in this game there was about 7 minutes play after the clock stopped.
In about the 93rd minute old neantherdal man Michael schultz threw a ball in
from the left touchline that bounced over two standing Brazilians, and once
in front of Taffarel before Klinsmann headed it in at chest height to the
sheer relief of the German bench and their supporters who had taken no end
of stick from the brazilians prior to that.
what is it about the german football team over the last 20 years that makes
me think that they have an eternal Monopoly 'Get-out-of-Jail-free' card?
that they can play at will. There was no way they should have been less than
totally humilitated by this brazilian team, but they finished stronger and
would have won the game in extra-time or on penalties just like you know
they will in the finals next year.
ah well it had still been a great game and if this wasn't the best South
american team versus the best European team then i'll eat mike fowler's hat
for him (:==:).
it was still only 6pm (and 80 degrees) so i waited for the washington rush-hour
traffic to clear and followed East capitol st and then Connecticut avenue
through the city of D.C up to the 3500 block where there is a bar called
Ireland's Four Provinces. It's right next to the Cleveland Park underground
station so you can get there and back safely if you don't want to drive. It
serves a wicked pint of Guinness (and yes it's at room temperature), some
excellent Irish Stew and other delicacies such as lamb which I had and i'd
highly recommend it for next year. after 7 it also has 'traditional' Irish
sing-a-long music - you know Wild Rover and all that stuff!!
And after that long day a well needed 12 hours sleep to recharge my batteries.
You man on the spot in the nation's capital,
Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman.
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297.67 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR3-1/w7 | Tue Jun 22 1993 08:21 | 1 |
| -1: very colorfull description, respect!
|
297.68 | And finally... Brazil v England | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | U.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there! | Mon Jul 05 1993 18:45 | 136 |
| sorry this is 3 weeks late but today is the first chance I got to type my
notes up - I promise no more match reports til next year.
Hope that someone has enjoyed reading them.
Regards,
Andrew.D.Wicks
Brazil 1 england 1 - washington D.C June 13th
Well after 8 days on the road, 4 different hotel rooms and 2 rental cars this
was it - "the last day" - I could go back to Atlanta. I was ready for it and
I know for sure that my bank manager would be happy too!
But first I had one more game to see Brazil v England - obviously an easy
win for Brazil.
The game was scheduled for a 1pm start and given that it had been 95 degrees
for the Thursday game there was obviously some concern about the heat so
doused in suntan lotion I set off for the stadium. Luckily the temperature
was only to reach the upper 70s.
England's changes from the trouncing at the hands of the U.S were Flowers
for Woods in goal (how far have things sunk when a scummer gets picked for
the team). Walker for Palmer at centre-back, Barrett for Dixon at full-back
and sinton for Barnes in midfield.
On my way to my seat I passed Rodney Marsh and Ron Atkinson - thought you'd
like to know that - I thought about asking Big Ron how he could possibly
have let the Mancs win the league but the presence of two armed police officers
deterred me.
Brazil also made a couple of changes. Julio caesar who had 5 Rolex watches
(valued at 100,000!) and $50,000 in cash stolen from his hotel room had flown
back to Italy to get more. i know security was obviously loose at the hotel
but this guy must have no brains to leave such stuff lying around. Branco of
the killer free-kicks was rested. Nonato and valber were the replacements.
The crowd was a sold-out 54,000 and some people who turned up without tickets
were obviously surprised, for the first time i saw people selling tickets
outside the stadium - the touts had arrived.
england's defence looked a lot more solid with two proper centre-backs.
Pallister looked sound and Walker whilst appearing to be unfit must be
better than Tony the Donkey. Even though Barrett played well in his first
game you wonder why England don't have any decent left-backs - they have tons
of right-backs.
batty in midfield still failed to impress me and the return of Gazza and Platt
is the only hope that the English team doesn't descend to playing wimbledon
style. Sharpe looked ok but it would be easier for him if he had two forwards
to aim for with his crosses. On the other wing sinton didn't really do much
of note.
Clough didn't do a lot up front and sherringham somehow continued to sit on
the bench. Wright wasn't as effective as he had been against the U.S but again
he probably needs someone like hirst or shearer alongside him.
England played very cautiously (as in the old Bobby Robson we went for a 0-0
draw style). brazil definitely showed the effects of three games in a week
and were nowhere near the standard they had been in the previous two games.
Rai and Cafu were very impressive and so to some extent was Evil Elton
(elivelton) on the wing. with the experience of players like Dunga and Jorginhio
to balance out the young players you have to fancy Brazil to make at least
the Quarter-Finals next year.
There were lots of english fans at the stadium, moreso than at Foxboro, and
their banners surrounded the perimeter.
The first-half was scoreless but it was still a decent game. not a dour
offside struggle but not an end to end thriller either. The 3-1 score
from Chicago where Germany were playing suggested that those in front
of their TV sets were getting entertained a little more though.
about a minute after half-time Platt emerged to replace Batty and less than
a minute later he headed a goal in at the far post - if only england had
some other players like him. At last the ENgland fans had something to
cheer.
The Brazilians neither went after a equaliser nor did they settle for a defeat
to a minor european nation they just kept playing the way they had before. Oh
no i thought I would have to witness a great England victory that would once
again confirm England's position as the best in the world and Graham taylor
would be knighted for his service to football. I could see the reruns of
Barnes's goal at the Maracana being rerun on BBC TV even then.
Brazil made two substituions bringing on Palinha and Almir wherease england
subsituted their captain (ince) with Palmer - Palmer even though he was now
in midfield was very anonymous and i can't say I remember him doing anything
in the game.
it really appeared that Brazil weren't going to score, until in the 77th minute
Marcia santos popped up to head a ball past two england defenders standing on
the line with two more standing on the six-yard line watching him - something
to work on in training there I think.
brazil actually picked up the pace after that and actually looked for a winner
bringing two good saves out of Flowers - almost as many as he made in the first
80 minutes. Merson came on as sub for the last few minutes but the game finished
at 1-1 and I headed for my car and the drive to the airport.
What did england learn from this, well surely the need for a balanced midfield
and two strikers but given the formation Graham taylor played with later against
Germany its clear he learnt nothing. If they qualify for the World Cup then
it was a good warm-up but otherwise they may as well continue to do summer
tours of Australia or Saudi arabia!
What did I learn from all this, well given that next years road trip is a
mind-numbing 31 days instead of this mere 8 day one here's my tips for
irish amd welsh fans coming over:
1) a high credit-card limit
2) suntan lotion
3) whenever possible balance a real meal (say dinner at TGIFs) with those
temptingly quick and cheap Big Macs.
4) lots of loose clothes and of course lots of clean clothes!
5) lots of water and soft-drinks in the heat is better than beer
(particularly the crap american stuff)
6) good directions to/from stadiums and airports particularly if you
have to make a quick trip from one game to another by plane.
7) lots of sleep whenever you can.
8) books or magazine to read to take your mind off the football between games
so anyway about 4 hours after the game was over I was already back in
atlanta and i stopped for a beer at the 'local' pub on the way home prepared
to tell anyone and everyone how "USA 2 England 0 - I was there" but alas the
Braves were on TV and everyone seemed more interested in that - sigh.
anyway, same time next year 52 games in 31 days
signing off for this year - your man on the spot
Atlanta's Most Infamous Welshman
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297.69 | | DCEIDL::HINXMAN | Do not adjust your mind ... | Wed Jul 07 1993 20:39 | 10 |
| re .68
> for Woods in goal (how far have things sunk when a scummer gets picked for
> the team). Walker for Palmer at centre-back, Barrett for Dixon at full-back
Dammit man, when England were a major footballing power and
Southampton were in the second division there was a Southampton
player playing for England.
Tony
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297.70 | | XSTACY::MDUNPHY | Just another Day!! | Wed Jul 07 1993 21:41 | 4 |
| Surely there isnt a connection between england playing well and a southampton
player in the side...tell me it isnt true!!!
Mick
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