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    As with all good clubs, after getting Eurocup III, I am afraid that a
    lot of players will be sold.
    Untill now :
    
    Van 't Schip en Aaron Winter. But I fear that more will follow. At
    least Bergkamp stays for another year !
    
    John 

    After Berkamp's good showing in Sweden I fear it will be his last year
    with Ajax.
    
    Stephen C.
    

    re -1
    And it was just the half he sometimes show at Ajax. There he plays with
    Petterson, who plays for him. Now he had to prepare for van Basten !
    He is able to start rushes all over the field. He did it several times
    during the cupfights last year.
    And yes.......I am afraid that pasta will be his daily food after the
    coming year.......
    
    John

    RE-1  Or Paella maybe ???
    
    Bart
    

    re -1
    
    Si, si......possibele.......but it want be Gouda....
    
    John

    Last Weekend Amsterdam 717 tournament :
    
    Borussia Dortmund - Ajax  1 - 1 ( Borussia wins after penalties)
    AS Roma - PSV Eindhoven   0 - 1
    
    Roma - Dortmund 	( Oeps, forgot it......)
    Ajax - PSV	        3 - 0 !
    
    Nice try before the competition starts next weekend.
    New players : 
    
    Overmars en Litmanen

    Dutch Competition started yesterday :
    
    SVV/Dordrecht - Ajax	0 - 3
    
    Very tough, hard game. A lot of fauls from the SVV-side. They tried to
    hinder Ajax to play football. Bergkamp was great and scored a
    beautifull first goal. Blind scored in the second half 2 - 0 and
    Petterson 3 - 0.

    Ajax - Go Ahead Eagles 	3 - 1
    
    Ajax started good and in no time it was 2 - 0. Then some kind of
    depression or laziness fell upon them and in the end they could be glad
    they could make that third goal. Not a great game, they have still to
    warm up but we are still in lead with Feyenoord and that other club ??

    John (or anyone else)
    
    Could you give me the latest on Ajax.
    
    I saw in this weeks paper that they won last week which means of the three
    results I am aware of they have six points yet in the Dutch League note
    they are not in the top four.
    
    What have been the rest of their results please ?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Stephen C.
    

    Stephen,
    
    I stopped giving results on Ajax because :
    
    1. there's note about the Dutch league, where you can find the results
    2. My own Football season has started, and so I run myself behind a 
       ball when Ajax plays.......so I could only tell what I saw on TV...
    
    John 

    Ajax - Kaiserslautern    2 - 0 !
    
    I was happy to get a ticket for this great game for the UEFA-cup. Ajax
    was the best club from the beginning ; after 16 seconds it was 1-0 !
    After that the germans had some god chances but after 20 minutes the
    play was back for Ajax. As usual they missed some fine chances but 9
    minutes before the end Jonk scored, with a lovely shot, the 2 - 0.
    It was a very sportive ( one yellow card, I believe) game and good to
    watch ! Hopefully it is enough to stand the Betzenberg in two weeks ;
    but Ajax is outwards better then home !!!! 

    Kaiserslautern _ Ajax  0 - 1 !
    
    Perhaps we are not going to be champion of the Netherlands, but we are
    further in the UEFA - cup !

    For those who don't know : Ajax is doing big selling again :
    after van Loen, Willems now Jonk and Bergkamp.....The de Boer boys are
    watched.......I hope someone will stay.....Next year will be a hard one
    to stay on top. I am curious to find out who will be bought to replace
    the ones who left.......
    To answer a former question : Bergkamp choosed for spaghetti....

    Unbelievable, I am still shaking.....
    Last wednesday Ajax showed that they aren't fullgrown yet. Against
    Auxerre they were absolute the better team but after their first goal
    they started to underestimate their opponent. Where you should continue
    and crush your shivering opponent they started to play beautifull and
    arrogant. Was the first goal of Auxerre not warning enough, the second
    goal ( a doubtfull free kick) didn't work either. The 2-2 was quickly
    made after that. Doubtfull referee work, a keeper mistake ( Menzo
    again) and passive football resulted in the final 4-2 loss. Clearly was
    shown that Ajax misses the experienced player who can drag them out
    such arrogance. Wouters was one of them......Jonk is also one, but he
    was kicked out the game ( not even a yellow card ; red would be in
    place).
    On the other hand they have to show result in two weeks in Amsterdam.
    Normally their result was so good that they played always very closed
    at home. Now they have to make the game and we will support them.
    Having seen Auxerre I think it will be a great game with two attacking
    teams, as we saw on wednesday. May the best go through !

rep -1

yes John I'm also still shaking but that was out of laughing :-))))


T_

    re -1 Ton, are you attending a course with me the coming week ?
          Communication skills or so ??????   ;-)

          <<< Note 240.16 by UTROP1::HANSSEN_J "are you serious ?" >>>
                           -< Laughing on what ???? >-

>>    re -1 Ton, are you attending a course with me the coming week ?
>>          Communication skills or so ??????   ;-)

John,

I rarely go to courses 'cause I don't see the use of most of them, they
just cost loads a money and the teachers are so boring :-))))

T_ :-)))))

    Ajax-Auxerre
    
    What a lovely game to watch, worth the money ! In the first half, in
    the beginning you saw clearly the nerves in the play of Ajax.....in the
    first minutes the keeper lost the ball from Cocard who miraculously
    couldn't get the ball in the goal. After that the Ajax defense had
    three other lucky moments. Nobody would have wondered if it would have
    been 0-4 for Auxerre. After 20 minutes Ajax started to take over the
    game leading to lucky moments on the Auxerre side. Next to that two
    very clear penalties were not given when Bergkamp was dragged down in
    the penalty area. The second half was only Ajax, with Auxerre only
    defending. And when de Boer scored we got hope again....But Auxerre has
    not like Ajax a keeper-problem ; he saved in the last minutes a couple
    of shots. It should be said that the referee was absolutely worthless,
    trying constantly to stop the Ajax-train, letting Auxerre past valuable
    time and by not giving any minutes extra....And Ajax missed very
    clearly the rest and creativity of Jonk ( kicked out last time by the
    guy who was still playing .....). Nice perspective for next year when
    he his gone......Maybe a chance for Utrecht to win next year, Ton ?
    If Auxerre plays like it can and not with the fear like sometimes
    against Ajax they must be able to be the winners this year !

The keeper's name is Martini. Was France's goalie the last 5 years, only dropped
for the last game because of lack of confidence.

JF

    So I could drink the man !!!! ( His blood anyway.....;-)
    
    John

    
    van Gaal talks with Babangida of VVV.
    He should replace Bergkamp!!
    
    
    Ray

    
    John,
    
    just want to add to my .21 replie.
    Babangida is a great player,
    I just think that we have a lot of young
    players and Babangida is one more.
    I'd rather see a more experiend forward.
    Just for the balance.
    And AJAX has the money(Bergkamp and Jonk sold)
    for it.
    
    John I saw the .22/.24 replies were "set hidden"
    I can image why.
    
    You did the right thing!!
    o.k. guy's let's keep the AJAX-AMSTERDAM clean.
    
    Greetings,
    
    Ray.

I can't see why replies .22, .23 and .24 were set hidden??


T_

    o.k. guy's
    
    
    let's have some fun!!
    May,the 20th.
    Dutch Cup Final(live on t.v.?)
    Heerenveen-Ajax.
    After Ajax-Feyenoord 5-2 last sunday we know what's left for us.
    I saw the preparations from Heerenveen and I wish them all the
    best.
    They want it just to be a great final.
    REAL Ajax supporters want the same.
    Enjoy the game!! Anyone who saw the Thialf-speed skating public
    for the last years will agree.
    
    Have a nice game, and may the best win!!
    
    
    Greetings,
    
    Ray.

    New players next season : negociations with Rijkaard (!) 
    
    John

    re-1  Rijkaard has bought and lives in a house in Amsterdam (Diemen).
          When my friend met him in the supermarket ( don't ask me what
          my friend was doing there......)and asked if he was playing for 
          Ajax next year, Rijkaard answered : I am on vacation ! In August 
          I'll tell you !
    	  He is coming !

    
    Ajax have completed two signings since the last reply. Peter van
    Vossen, and Frank Rijkaard have been added to the squad, both for
    undisclosed fees
    
    Tim

             <<< Note 240.30 by JGODCL::SHERLOCK "Leeds United" >>>
                          -< Where there's smoke... >-

    
>>    Ajax have completed two signings since the last reply. Peter van
>>    Vossen, and Frank Rijkaard have been added to the squad, both for
>>    undisclosed fees
    
>>    Tim

Rumours:

van Vossen   between 6.5 and 7.5 million guilders
Rijkaard     1.4 million guilders


T_

Is van Vossen that good?

Or is that just a knockdown price for Rijkaard? If so, why?

Mike

    
    Will Rijkaard be playing in the Makita Tournement this weekend at WHL.
    
    Dave...

REP -2

    Other Ajax buy : George Finidi. Nigerian rightwinger. When Ajax showed
    interest for Babangida ( now succesfull for Roda JC) the national
    trainer of Nigeria said that there was a better winger : Finidi. Two
    days ago he scored his first goal, but didn't impress ( as Ajax didn't
    as a whole....). Unfortunately for Ton he played last sunday very good
    against Utrecht. In the next three games he ( and Ajax) can show if
    they are ready for the title ; Vitesse, MVV and PSV.
    Litmanen is also in a good shape, hopefully he can keep this form this
    season. Van Vossen is still injured, but will return one of these days.
    Petersen is still injured too.
    
    Johnf

    
    just a new start,
    
    the only dutch team who can and will win, is AJAX 
    against Hajduc Spit (sorry Split)
    
    Friday, 20.05 c.e.t. on dutch t.v. live!!
    All the other dutch teams have lost they're first game.
    So AJAX has to do it again and again and again.......
    
    
    Greetings,
    
    
    Raymond.
    

    
    you should read .36
    
    

             <<< Note 240.36 by HLFS00::PANTUS_R "DutchMan Utd" >>>
                          -< we have to do it again >-

    
>>    just a new start,
>>    
>>    the only dutch team who can and will win, is AJAX 
>>    against Hajduc Spit (sorry Split)
>>    
>>    Friday, 20.05 c.e.t. on dutch t.v. live!!
>>    All the other dutch teams have lost they're first game.
>>    So AJAX has to do it again and again and again.......
>>    
>>    
>>    Greetings,
>>    
>>    
>>    Raymond.
  
     
      And they didn't, Split 1 Ajax 0, this score doesn't completely reflect
      the game as it could have been at least 4-1 to Split.

  
      T_

      ps I actualy did it!






        What?









      Writing in this topic!!!!!

             <<< Note 240.37 by HLFS00::PANTUS_R "DutchMan Utd" >>>
                              -< king????? who. >-

    
>>    you should read .36
  

Na you should read .38


T_  
    

    re mr _T  What do you do in this kingdom of the only good club of the 
    	      Netherlands ?
    	      4-1 for Split ? You were sure you were looking to the right
    	      game ? Just for your information : Ajax had 6 (!) good
    chances to score, Split just one. Just before the goal fell there was a
    clear foul play from the scorer ! It was the same @#%& as last year,
    Ajax made the best play made failed to score..........

          <<< Note 240.40 by UTROP1::HANSSEN_J "are you serious ?" >>>
                          -< van Gaal aan de haal ! >-

>>    re mr _T  What do you do in this kingdom of the only good club of the 
>>    	      Netherlands ?
>>    	      4-1 for Split ? You were sure you were looking to the right
>>    	      game ? Just for your information : Ajax had 6 (!) good
>>    chances to score, Split just one. Just before the goal fell there was a
>>    clear foul play from the scorer ! It was the same @#%& as last year,
>>    Ajax made the best play made failed to score..........


      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
      
      After the goal by Split they had lots of changes, like the ball against
      the post and the one that just crossed the goal right before the end of
      the match.

      Ajax had some changes but certainly not six real ones maybe half ones.

      About the best team we can discuss about that for ages and will never 
      agree, 'cause they just aren't.



     T_

     ps kingdom me *ss

    re -1  Then I can say Utreg !!!!

    
    Thats very pleasant English Raymond.
    
    Do you know any other clever words ?.
    
    .

rep -2

Raymond,

you are a sick boy but you know what I herby invite you to watch next seasons 
FC Utrecht - Ajax on stand O, I'll pay for the tickets and you can shout as 
hard as you can the same as you've written in .43.


Regards,


T_ aka Nero_ the terrible

          <<< Note 240.42 by UTROP1::HANSSEN_J "are you serious ?" >>>
                                -< They are ! >-

>>    re -1  Then I can say Utreg !!!!


ok fair enough but just twice and you already used one.


T_

    re-1 Thanks Ton....I save it for the only game they win this year...
         right ?

          <<< Note 240.47 by UTROP1::HANSSEN_J "are you serious ?" >>>
                         -< a gift from heaven...;-) >-

>>    re-1 Thanks Ton....I save it for the only game they win this year...
>>         right ?

John,

come on Ajax ain't that bad.

    Congratulations to Ajax on a splendid 6-0 victory over Hajduk Split (sp)
    Seems like they are about the only Dutch club worth their salt !
    Cheerio to Vitesse, Twente, and PSV, they just weren't up to
    European standards
    
                                                          
    Tim

             <<< Note 240.49 by JGODCL::SHERLOCK "Leeds United" >>>
                             -< Well Done Ajax ! >-

>>    Congratulations to Ajax on a splendid 6-0 victory over Hajduk Split (sp)
>>    Seems like they are about the only Dutch club worth their salt !
>>    Cheerio to Vitesse, Twente, and PSV, they just weren't up to
>>    European standards
>>    
>>                                                          
>>    Tim

Tim,

don't forget Feyenoord, they had an easy 3-0 win.


T_

    
    Utreg-AJAX free ticket!!!
    O.K.
    
    Greetings,
    
    Ray
    

             <<< Note 240.51 by HLFS00::PANTUS_R "DutchMan Utd" >>>
                                -< no problem >-

    
>>    Utreg-AJAX free ticket!!!
>>    O.K.
>>    
>>    Greetings,
>>    
>>    Ray
  

You're on, as soon as Ajax play again in New Galgenwaard I'll buy you a ticket
for stand O, they only thing you have to do is shout that you're Ajax as hard
as you can :-)))


T_  

    re -1  I thought that Utrecht fans were such a sweeties these
    days......apparently not ! Ray, just go to de Meer when they come and
    enjoy the slaughter on the field ! And not before in Diemen, huh ? ;-)
    
    Ajax - Besiktas	2-1
    
    One of these games where you ask yourself what the Ajax players were
    doing last night. Probably wondering what they were doing.....The first
    half Besiktas, as expected, just were hanging for their penalty-area
    forming a visible wall...defending they call this of behaviour. Ajax
    was constantly busy with trying to play to each other, not knowing
    where and why. And even that didn't work out. Most chances of the
    Turkish came through failures from the defense. There was no hunting
    for the ball, no inspiration. The time they woke up the Turkish were
    leading through an offside goal. Deserved, because they had the better
    chances. After that the got more interesting, Ajax put some more
    pressure and had several chances. In the second half Ajax kept the
    pressure on. Van de Brom was changed ( by a sixteen old year kid called
    Reuser....) because he failed as libero. The turkish attacks were not
    that good as before and Ajax got more chances. Rijkaard finally scored
    rightfull 1-1 and a little later Ronald de Boer scored 2-1 after a good
    pass from another youngster( which name is unspellable, yet). Ajax got
    more chances to enlarge the score, but missed the luck. The turkish had
    another big chance when Mehmet, the scorer of the first goal could go
    through in an even clearer offside position as the first goal. This
    time van de Sar took care of it.
    I think that Ajax still has good chances to go further. Besiktas didn't
    impress me ; Ajax was more struggling with itself. In this form they
    would have lost for sure against more experienced clubs !
    Bad side ; the acting performance of the turkish players when they they
    were hit ( and jumping up when the play continued) and the turkish
    crowd throwing things or shooting fireworks on Finidi George when he
    tried to kick corners ( several times he was not able to do that) or in
    the next Ajax-tribune. Thank you for this behaviour, @$#%& !
    
    John
    

My memory might be going, but last year didn't Turkish clubs get banned from
staging games because of the behaviour of their fans?

Or was that the national team? Err....

I remember nothing.

mike

    re-1 Well Mike,
    
    I don't think there is such a ban...they still play ! And they were
    friendly before and after the match. To be honest, I was surprised that
    it was rather quiet because there were turkish fans ( living in
    Holland) standing between the Ajax crowd and hardly anything
    happened....And ofcourse the police compared their behaviour with the
    english a week before......But I am afraid what's going to happen in
    Istanbul over two weeks....
    
    John

    Besiktas - Ajax	0 - 4
    
    Probably nice to know for Manchester United ; the Turkish are to beat
    in Istanbul.........
    Yesterday happened what I had foreseen. Besiktas started defensive and
    hoped for succesfull counters. But this time Ajax was prepared for that
    and did what they have to do ; making the game and finish what had to
    be done ! Only in the fifth minute there was a chance for Besiktas, van
    de Sar saved great. After that Ajax controlled the game and Litmanen
    scored 1-0. The second half Ajax grew stronger and had chance after
    chance....It remained 0-4 through Litmanen twice and Petterson (
    Scandinivian party it was...) but it could have been 0-10 !
    It was good to see that Litmanen can extend his local fame to european
    fame !
    
    John

rep -1

Well Raymond my dear fellow didn't you have the guts to put it all in English 
or were you afraid that your note would be set hidden again 'cause you are
saying a lot of very not so very nice things about me and I even think that you
think you can scare me.

Furthermore I would like to inform you that this is a public notes file and that
you can't denie me access to this file just because you want to.

O yeah and what strikes me most is that you needed a reply by John to figure
out what my purpose was, such a smart fellow.



T_

    
    Notes in this conference must be entered in English.  
    
    Gary.

    re -1	Taking sides, Gary ??? Is Ton right when he says you are a
    		fan of Utrecht...;-) And will you take care that the
    		headlines also will be written in english ??????
    		Can't stop laughing about this,
    
    John

    re -1 Ray,
    Keep writing english in here, Ray. The notesfiles are public so should
    be readable for all noters. Especially if we have moderators who can't
    read/understand dutch. And most of all, all Ajax-info should be
    available for whole the world !
    And everyone is allowed to say something in this Ajax-note, even if you
    are a anti-Ajaxfan as Ton is. I am convinced that he also has a 'warm'
    feeling when he sees them playing, he just doesn't want to show it.;-)
    
    Ajax forever,
    
    John 

    
    As Dutch is very similar to German...I think I get the jist of what's
    being said.....
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.

    re-1 you must not only be a german who understands dutch but also a
    magician ; the node was set hidden ;-)
    How did you do it ???????
    
    John

    He is a moderator too -
    
    �JF?

    re -1 So that's how it works : the most terrible notes you set hidden
    and save them for yourselves !!!!!!!
    What a terrible job, you have, guys........;-)
    
    John

    John Hansen is going back to Denmark. Two years ago he came as
    succesfull player to Ajax to grow and to be ready for top football. He
    impressed in his first tournament. Soon after that he got serously
    injured. After five operations and two unsuccesfull trials at English
    clubs he signed the contract for a danish club. He realised that it was
    very hard for him to return in the first team of Ajax on a moment that
    they are succesfull and have a bench full of quality players......
    I wish him all the best and hope he will gain his old play back.
    
    John

    Ajax is ready for the great game, next thursday. Everyone is fit, I
    hope. Hopefully they learned from the game against PSV and don't give
    to much space to Brolin and for sure to Asprilla. What a great
    footballer. I am sure that he will get all the chance of showing
    himself next thursday. Ajax isn't the team to play defending and defend
    shortly. It will be a great game ; better then the final later !
    
    John

    I sure hope that they are gonna play well at home, this time.
    Last year, against Auxerre, I thought they would be able to produce
    a 2-0 ending, allthough they should have finished the french in France.
    Well, anyway: my prediction: Ajax 3 Parma 1. De Boer, Brolin, Litmanen
    and De Boer (this time Frank, with a header).
    
    Marcel

        
    RE -1 
    
    Ajax is doomed should they meet Paris SG, it's mathematical:
    
    Paris SG	4-0	Auxerre
    Auxerre	4-2     Ajax
    -----------------------------
    Paris SG    8-2     Ajax  	8-) 8-)
    
    Eric
    
    ps: don't take that too seriously, I'm a big fan of Team Holland myself

    re-1 That would be lovely for our Mr T !!! Maybe after that he is
    allowed to see an outward match from from Utrecht from 
    Mrs T ( see 15.388)...;-)
    
    I say it will be 2-0 for Ajax, or 2-1 when Asprilla scores early.
    Litmanen and Petersen take care of the Ajax goals.
    
    John

    Ajax can beat Volendam, Cambuur and RKC, but you all saw wath happened
    against a 'major' (Italian sub-top) opponent 0-0.
    (Remember PSV-AJAX)
    
    90% chance that Parma - Ajax (return) will be 2-1.
    (35 min Zola 1-0 penalty, 45 min Litmanen 1-1, 70 min Asprilla 2-1).
              
    J.

    re -1 Don't sell the skin before you killed a bear !
    
    Ajax - Parma 0-0
    Ajax was the better side with the best chances. Litmanen, Davids,
    Peterson and Petersen had good chances to score, but unfortunately the
    Italians had an angel on their goal. In the first half also Parma was
    twice close to a goal. Asprilla is a great footballer to watch, he kept
    constantly three Ajax-defenders busy. Unfortunately for him Blind had a
    good day.
    In the second half Ajax was far more better and deserved to win. In the
    end they had a massive offensive on the Parma goal. And just when Parma
    was ready to be slaughtered two very strange decisions of the linesman
    (!) came between. But before that Ajax had missed to much chances. The
    same old disease.......
    It was a great game to watch, fast, open and reasonably friendly. The
    yellow cards on both sides were overdone, not necessairy.
    Best Ajax players ; Blind and Oulida.
    Yes, Ajax didn't score, but Parma also didn't. And that gives Ajax
    perspective in two weeks. They always play better outside !
    
    John

    re. -1
    I agree with you completely, John, but I'll have to disagree on the fact
    that Blind and Oulida were the best players. Blind okee, but Oulida?
    I thought v/d Brom should have been substituted for Oulida in the first
    half. The only thing Oulida did, was 'een balletje breedleggen'. And if
    he tried to do something different, he immediately lost the ball.
    I think Petersen played a great game, maybe he should have scored
    (maybe twice, but the ball on Petterson was good, unexpected, but
    good), but he didn't deserve a substitution.
    
    Let Parma show what they're worth, in Italy, in 13 days!
    Back home, THEY will have to play, so Ajax can play a bit calmer, while
    Parma has to do the 'goal-hunting'.
    
    Let's all hope that Ajax can keep Parma on 1-1 or maybe even beat the
    italians, who are the current ECWC-holders.
    
    Marcel.
    
    P.S. Too bad Ajax didn't score yesterday. I was very tired after the
    game. The tension, I guess.
    

    Hello footie fans,
    
        I'm visiting Amsterdam during the weekend of the 25/26/27 March and
    would like to see an Ajax game if possible. Can someone answer the
    following questions if possible:
    
    Are Ajax playing at home that weekend ?
    
    Who are they playing ?
    
    Can I get tickets on the day of the match and how much do they cost ?
    
    Where is the stadium ?
    
    If there are not playing at home, are there any other teams that I
    could watch ?
    
    
    All info greatly appreciated.
    
    Cheers
    
       Andy.
    

    re-1 (Andy)
    Hmmm, I think I have bad news for you, Andy. First I don't know if Ajax
    plays home or out that weekend...I've lost the program a time ago and I
    am not able to find it. Anyway, I cannot watch the sunday games anyway
    because I have to play myself. If they play home they will be sold out,
    as all their games this season. Next to that there is a system here
    that makes it very difficult nowadays to get a ticket for strangers.
    Let me check this out and I'll try to arrange something. I think it
    will be around 100 guilders or less ( range 70 - 100 guilders for two
    tickets, or do you only need one ?). Interested ? Let me know on
    E-mail,
    
    John

>       I'm visiting Amsterdam during the weekend of the 25/26/27 March and
>    would like to see an Ajax game if possible. Can someone answer the
>    following questions if possible:


According to my newspaper the game scheduled for that weekend is.....




		FEYENOORD	-	AJAX		(27th of March)



Paddy

rep -1

wich is played in ........................



Rotterdam




T_

    re-2 Thanks Paddy. Sorry Andy, that game is for sure sold out. And to
    be honest, I wouldn't go if there was place......they both haven't the
    sweetest fans.......
    Alternatives in Amsterdam, no. Ajax is the only premier League team
    from Amsterdam. The clubs around are first division. You could watch my
    team playing........but you only would be interested in that after the
    game.....;-)
    Feijenoord - Ajax will be surely on TV, and I can assure you that it
    will be a great game as Feijenoord will remain sportively
    
    John

    Thank you all for the info. I looks as if plan B now comes into action.
    I don't exactly know what plan B is yet but I'll think of something.
    I've been to the stadium in Rotterdam before to see the European Cup
    Winners Cup Final a few years back - Manchester U v Barcelona but I'll
    take your advive and stay away this time. Thanks again.
    
    Maybe next time.
    
    Andy.

    Ajax is out as I predicted n .72 only the score was slightly different.
    
    It should have been 4-0 at least, but Ajax was as always (zwijnen)
    lucky !.
    
    1-0 Menoti   (blunder v/d Sar !!!)
    ------------
    2-0 Brolin
    
    Finally justice, after playing against minor teams in their previous
    European cup matches !
    
    J.

    re-1 Justice ? Minor clubs ? Well mr J., I agree with you that the
    right one won the match last wednesday but for the rest your comment is
    a little biased, I guess......I think that Parma was lucky in Amsterdam
    two weeks ago and I wouldn't call the former opponents of Ajax minor
    clubs.......And what do you mean with justice ? What justice ? ????
    
    Congrats to Parma. It wasn't a great game to watch, it looked more like
    a friendly game. Only difference was that Parma created chances ( good
    play of Asprilla again and Zola) and scored and Ajax didn't. I saw
    absolutely no inspiration in Ajax play, except van de Sar and Blind. It
    was thanks to them, and not luck, that kept Ajax on the two. I could
    say things like the referee, and that the free kick wasn't one ( that
    leaded to the first goal) but Parma just deserved more then Ajax. Like
    the last couple of weeks, Ajax has that post-winter syndrom again.
    Hopefully this disappears soon !
    
    John

    re.-2
    I must agree with John, what the he!! do you mean with justice?
    And just because you apparently are not an Ajax-fan, but a fan of a
    MINOR club in Holland, or not a football-fan at all, doesn't give you
    the right to play judge! If you actually hoped Ajax to lose, then
    you're not a football-fan at all, but just some punk, who likes
    football for the hooliganism.
    
    You just don't seem to get the point, that if Ajax (the last Dutch club
    in the European Cups) gets kicked out, that it's not good for dutch
    football in general, not just for Ajax!
    
    I'm an Ajax-fan, but if (let's say:) PSV plays European football, I
    want them to get through. Off course I prefer Ajax to go through with 2
    big victories, and PSV with a 0-0 at home, and a 1-1 away, but I want
    them to get through. In the competition they can lose as many games as
    they like, but when it concerns European football, I'm a nationalist,
    and want the Dutch teams to win. And not like:'They are our rivals in the
    competition, so I also want them to lose in the EC! 
    THAT ATTITUDE SU@KS! That's what has ruined the pleasure in nowadays
    football: the mentality of some people!
    
    Think about what I said, will you? At least something good can lead
    from your foolish reply!
    
    Marcel, he_who_doesn't_understand_some_people's_mentality!

	Well, let's have another try:
    
    Another black day in history.
    
    After Parma (they were better, hard to admit, but true) and NEC (they
    were lucky), now comes Feijenoord, and they can't help it, but the ref,
    Blankenstein, is either a Feijenoord-fan or an Ajax-hater or a
    home-whistler (thuisfluiter).
    
    That Fin, not Gunntlaugson, made 3 fouls within 5 minutes and injured 2
    players and gets away with it.
    Danny Blind fouls someone and gets the yellow card! Ridiculous!
    
    And there were (at least) 3 real penalties for Ajax, which they didn't
    get:  	- 3rd minute, Kanu.
    		- second half, Kanu gets kicked down
    		- later the second half, De Wolf throws someone to the
    			ground.
    Not to mention Van Gobbel against Van Vossen.
    
    Let's face it, folks: We've 'not been helped' again.
    ( We zijn weer eens gepunnikt !! ).
    This line has been modified, and it's whole meaning is lost.
    I hope you people still understand what I mean.

    Is the KNVB not able to come up with 1 good ref?
    
    Marcel, he_who_is_in_mourning_today!
	      _and_who_thought_censorship_had_been_banished -
	      _but_apparently_the_people_of_the_US_of_A_think -
	      _that_clean_American_citicens_don't_use_any_foul_language -
	      _and_can't_handle_the_fact_that_someone_else_DOES!

    Marcel,
    
    A cleaner version of this line might be
    
    		`....we've been hosed again.'
    
    
    It's not a rude word but it does the trick....
    
    hands across the sea and all that,    Ray

    That's what I call true sportsmanship:
    A helping hand from a Schot to a Dutchman, the week after Holland beat
    Schotland. We can all take an example from this.
    
    Thanx, Ray.
    
    I think it's a little 'American' to censor all those words, don't you?
    Everybody knows what I mean, and it's just an expression.
    It's not like I'm cursing all the time.
    My favorite team lost, partly because off a bad referee, and I can't
    even express myself properly. It's a shame.
    
    Marcel

rep -1

You probably don't realise that all those four letter words can get a notes
file shutdown. It has happened in the past and it will sure happen in the future

The guide lines for noting (the orange book if I'm correct) are very strick
and we have to stick with it. I have had may notes set hidden and always kept
smiling and telling the moderator it's ok, the guy is just doing his job.

T_

ps there are loads of ways of expressing yourself without using four letter
   words! Even if you are frustrated like you ~/~

T_ :-)))))

    re Marcel ; I don't even think that the moderator is American,
    actually.....don't blame them for everything....;-)
    It has just to do with etiquettes ; keep the notes clean as long as we
    have the privelege to use them for items that are not directly
    workrelated ! Be creative in writing things that you can feel but not
    read.......!
    
    re Ray ; it must sound more terrible if you say that in scottish,
             right?
    
    John

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>>> re Ray ; it must sound more terrible if you say that in scottish,
             right?
    
   
    
    
    It sounds even better in Irish, which is where I'm from....
    By the way, I was at Hampden for Scotland v Netherlands. The goal was
    one of the best I've seen for a long time. It's a pity that the rest of
    the game was rubbish....
    
    regards,
    Irish Ray

    re-1 Ray ; oops, sorry Ray, didn't want to insult you...;-)
               But it sounds probably better in scottish ; hooooosed
               agaeen......In Irish it's more interesting when there is a
               r in it ; rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, like Irrrrrrrrish or RRRRRay
               Or is that a scottish handicap too........
    Yes, the goal from RRRRRRoy was one of the few highlights of that game.
    I expected that Orange II would be slaughtered by the
    Scotch.....Probably he didn't believe it himself.....
    
    John

    AJAX - Hajduk Split		3-0 !
    
    So Ajax is in the semi's, after beating Hajduk 3-0 ! Ajax was not on
    its best but enough to win. It could have been easily five or six
    zero... Goals from Kanu and the Boer (2x). Hajduk only remained for own
    goal and was never dangerious. It looked as if they were glad (!) to
    loose here......
    So next game is Bayern. It will be a game with something extra. bayern
    has beaten Ajax before in the seventies and next to that they were so
    sportive to win from Ajax with 8-0 in the final game of Johan Cruyff. 
    Time for a sportive revenge I guess......
    Applause for the Hajduk fans ; they kept singing no matter what the
    score was....Ajax fans could learn from that ( although I wonder if it
    were real Ajax fans who come to such a Euro-match.......
    
    John

    I have a question about the Ajax-Stadium:
    
    Have the Stadium standing rooms?
    If the have, will Ajax sell standing room to the Bayern-Supporters for the
    Champions League semi or get they only seat-tickets?
    
    Thanks
    markusFCB_

    
    I used to be a sprats bradcoster. I think the game is in an abdominal
    state colonely...eh I mean, In colonel..eh general...eh generally
    speaking.
    And I know what I'm tonking aboult !
    
    rgds
    Tom Ferrie
    
     

    RE-1: I guess the match will be at the Olympic Stadium, which I believe
    is all seated.   Here's hoping I can persuade my local tabac to save
    me a couple of tickets ..
    
    Ray

    re-3 one or the other bayern-fan.......;-)
    
    The match is held in the olympic stadium. Fans from other teams are
    mostly in the same spot of the stadium ; they have seatings in the open
    sky ( no roof !). If it rains then look to the right ; I am sitting
    under the roof ;-)
    Ray, there is a possibility that I have one beautifull ( Marathon
    tribune ticket for you......mine....;-( I have a three day workshop in
    Limburg and I don't know if I can make it.......Let me know if you're
    interested.........
    
    John

    Well done. Now can someone start adopting the Ajax (and Dutch) youth
    training system over in England. We might then stand a chance of 
    competing against Europe's finest at both club and international 
    level without being outclassed in the skill department. Once again,
    congratulations.
    
    barry.
    

    Ajax ready for next season :
    
    Untill now :
    
    Gone : vd Brom, v Vossen, Rijkaard and Seedorf
    New  : Santos
    
    I can't remember the other new, I will write them in as soon as I am
    sure. I think we don't have to put up our expectations as high as last
    season. First let this team get used to play without Rijkaard.
    
    John

    
    Anyone see the " Dreaming of Ajax " documentary on Friday night on
    BBC2, watching this it is no wonder they are the best club side in
    Europe, probably the world. The set up at the club was unbelievable,
    even down to the 8 year old's they have playing.
    
    Seven of the European Cup winning team from last season came through
    the youth policy, which must be the best football development programme
    running in any country in the world.
    
    Dave...

    re -1  Ofcourse I saw this program, presented by Gary Lineker.
    And even in this program they couldn't show all that Ajax is doing to
    develop good footballers. They have also an extinsive program of
    scouting to find the best players all over the country and world to
    match them with their own 'school.' Look how Jari Litmanen, Finidi
    George and Kanu were fitted in the team. And others are standing
    already ready for the big jump.
    The difference with the'school' a couple of years ago is that in
    earlier days only the best were selected. Now a broader approach is
    done and you can see it at the first team of Ajax ; all players are
    equally good...Any wonder that the second team of Ajax plays so well in
    the Cup games ?
    On the other hand I think that Ajax is not unique, I know that PSV
    Eindhoven also has their own 'school.'
    
    John

    
    	I watched the highlights of Real Madrid-Ajax last night, and I
    thought Ajax were so good they were frightening. I reckoned Juventus
    were going to win the Champions League this year but at lunchtime I'm
    going down the bookies to put my mortgage on Ajax.
    
    	And the team is so blxxdy young as well !
    
    Malc.
    

    re -1 Malc and you only saw the highlights.....
    Ajax was giving a lesson in football yesterday and it was thanks to the
    referee that Real wasn't wiped out completely ! And yes, it's a young
    team that can keep its quality when some players have to be replaced. i
    hope they can keep up with this form. next week against Gremio and next
    year against Borussia !
    
    With a large smile, John !

    What was the score?
    
    William

    Who is Musampa ?
    Is he another talent from the Ajax school ?
    
    rgds,
    JO^)

re .105

John, after Austria Salzburg - Ajax last Champions League (both 1:1) I have been
proud, that an Austrian team made two points against the best European team.

But seeing Real Madrid - Ajax yesterday , my opinion is, this AJAX 1995 is one
class better than last year.

Congratulation to this season's Champions League winner Ajax Amsterdam (I
believe).

Sorry, that Juventus played with the 2nd team in the other group, that has
stopped Ranger's and Bucarest's chances

Heribert

If Ajax have another match like either of the ones against Grasshoppers they 
won't win the Champions League. They're not invincible. 

g

    re -1,-2,-3 etc
    
    Musampa is a 17 or 18 year old boy from the Ajax school, one of the
    many who can be easily selected for the first team
    
    Yes, Ajax is magic but also human. The game against Grasshoppers wasn't
    to inspiring because Ajax was not motivated to play against them. Today
    they were to tensed to play Gremio but still won, o.k. after penalties.
    And also Ajax can have that bad day........but untill now they got away
    with it. I think that makes this team the best team in the world ; be
    at best when you have too.
    
    Thank you Heribert for the compliment. But don't forget they were very
    willing to win from Madrid and played very well. And you see only one
    week later they cannot reach that high level. But I am glad that they
    are still very young and will be even better next year, if they stick
    together !
    
    John 

    Hi all,
    
    Can someone tell me when the winter break is over?
    
    			Cheers, Rob.

    
    When the snow melts I suppose.....
    
    

    I just read in the paper that Ajax lost to Willem II, 0-1. Is this
    true?
    
    Cheers, 
    
    Rob.

    Ref. South China Morning post of Jan. 16, 1996:
    
    Willem II, Tilburg 1 (Van der Vegt, 55th) Ajax Amsterdam 0; HT 0-0.
    
    In the standings it says 1 lost which is the first time.
    
    
    

    re-1,-2
    
    Yes, Ajax lost last Sunday with 1-0 in Tilburg. It was not the referee,
    it was not the foul play of Willem II it was their own stupid mistake.
    Missing to much chances and playing uninspired. Maybe it's good for
    them to feel again what it is to loose. It looked as if they were still
    laying at the sunny beaches of Israel, where they had their winterstop
    (and by the way lost with 1-0 from an Israelien club..). Nevr mind,
    maybe they're awake now.....
    
    John

    Hi All,
    
    Can someone help me out? I am looking for
    a home page on Netscape for Ajax. Do they
    have their own? I have already checked out
    omroep pages 661,662,663. But would like
    more detail about Ajax.
    
    Thanks guys,
    
    Rob.

    Well, I finally hooked into the netscape, and found
    the pages to keep up to date with the latest events
    It looks like Ajax postponed and are now tied for 
    first with PSV. (PSV won 7-0 last game - wow!)
    
    If any of you are interested, our national sports
    channel has it's own Website. Search for TSN, and
    the rest will come. The site has 6 gates,, which 
    include: Latest scores, Locker Room, Latest news, etc. 
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rob

    Thank you Mr Bosman,
    
    the problem with Ajax right now is that the Bosman-case has ruined the
    groupidea that was the strongest part of the success of Ajax. Some
    players are offered unbelievable sums of money for a transfer. Some of
    them have an ending contract after this season. Agreement was that they
    would stay at least the coming two years with Ajax ( agreed after last
    Eurocupwin) and leave then. But they haven't signed yet and that gave
    anger with the trainer and some teammates who stay with Ajax as agreed.
    This anger can be seen in the field so that even amateurs can win from
    them. The game against Zaragossa was that little motivation for not
    loosing but for the rest I fear the worst. As always with Ajax, a
    mentality-question.......
    
    John

    re -3 Rob
    
    Only for the real Ajaxfans, if you are on the web go to :
    
    http://www.euronet.nl/users/dike/links.html
    
    Lots of fun,
    
    John
    

    Hey guys,
    
    Did all you Dutch Deccies get fired? Or is there
    just nothing to talk about. I read on the NOS
    teletext on internet that most games are afg
    due to the weather. A little wet is it? Oh well,
    at least you don't have to shovel rain, after four
    months of snow I welcome some rain!
    
    Cheers fellas,
    
    Rob

rep -1

rain nou ech niet, wat dacht je van sneeuw, vorst, ijzel.


T_

    re-1,-2 ; storm, wind, ijzel,hagel, siberische taferelen....
    
    the weather was so bad that the Supercup Final between Ajax and
    Zaragossa was cancelled yesterday night. I haven't played competition
    since early december. From that time all amateur games were cancelled..
    
    John

rep -1

John,

did you see that pitch guy from Ajax on telly last night, he was quite pissed 
about the fact that the Spanish players had been training on the worst part
of the pitch and that that was the reason the ref decided not to play, he even
call them Spanish B******s.

T_ :-))))

    Hey there,
    
    Nee jo, echt waar, sneeuw in Holland? Must have something
    to do with global warming/Ice cap shifting or whatever.
    When I left in 1975, it just did not seem to snow much
    anymore. Off course that was in Den Haag. Maybe in other
    parts of Holland there was snow, or is this a particularly
    bad year. Any way I hope play resumes soon, so I can play
    on the Internet.
    
    Groetjes uit Canada iedereen.
    
    Gezondheit,
    
    Rob   

    Was that a 6-1 win for Ajax this weekend?
    Hot dog!!! Who did the scoring?
    Where is everybody?
    
    Cheers,
    Rob

>    Was that a 6-1 win for Ajax this weekend?
>    Hot dog!!! Who did the scoring?

    Rob, here it is, fresh from the evening paper:

    Ajax - FC Twente : 6 - 1

    37 Frank de Boer   1 - 0
    39 Davids          2 - 0
    50 Kluivert        3 - 0
    54 Ajoepov         4 - 0 (own goal)
    65 Musampa         5 - 0
    66 Hoekstra        6 - 0
    67 Ten Caat        6 - 1

    Cheers,
    Andr�

    Is ten Caat (sp) new to Ajax, or was he brought up from "the farm" to 
    replace one of the injured players.
    
    Cheers,
    Rob

    re-1 Mondaymorning.......so good to be ! Or was it Tuesday ?
    
    John

    Nah...I just didn't pay attention to what I was reading, I get
    a little ahead of myself sometimes. Does that result mean that Ajax
    is back to it's original form, I hope so, because I just received
    my shirt in the mail. It is superior quality, and it fits perfectly,
    ahhhh....the boys on the team will be so jealous!!! ;^)
    
    Rob 

    re-1 No, I cannot say that Ajax is in the form of last year, or before
    X-mas. On the moment there are too much players missing, and playing
    players don't have the form they need ( Blind, de Boer (both), Bogarde,
    and so on). With the return of Litmanen I hope that Ajax comes back in
    track again. Yesterday they were  very lucky to win from Fortuna, their
    tactics are still one of the best in the world, but it doesn't improve
    the football.......
    
    John 

    The new season has started. New players have been bought, some have
    left ( Reiziger, Davids, George, Kanu). We have a new stadium ( the
    Arena) and some younger players are ready for it. But untill now the
    season just has been a disaster. Lost some international games ( Juve,
    AC Milan), the dutch super Cup (PSV), some competition matches (
    Heerenveen, NEC, Willem II) and are already 8 points behind PSV.
    Seeing the games I can just say, we have serious problems. The football
    is without inspiration and never never we scored only twice in 5 or 6
    competition games ! Next wednesday, against Auxerre, doesn't look very
    prosperous. Hopefully we will be back in shape.....soon !
    
    John