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231.1 | | CLARID::KREYER | Andre KREYER - Valbonne | Tue Jun 16 1992 00:38 | 23 |
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>Did you see.....?
No I didn't see it, but it was certainly bad. The culprit was
Basile BOLI...
I guess nothing will happen as for a couple previous instances of
blattant faults, let's just remind 2 of them:
- Harald SCHUMACHER against BATTISTON
- GASCOIGNE (last year's FA cup final)
And don't tell me one is better/worse, all such instances need to be
strongly discouraged!
What do you expect! Too many players have already got away with pretty
bad behaviour on the field, I'm sure it is not getting any better in
the next few years.
During past world cup, certain blattant faults were greeted with red
cards (tackling from behind on a player which was clearly through),
this helped calm a couple of people down, but as we saw this evening
again, that's already history.....
.Andre.
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231.2 | Trial by Television...Why not?? | YUPPY::STRAGED | Toto...this sure ain't Kansas!! | Tue Jun 16 1992 12:56 | 13 |
| A few years ago, Paul Davis (Arsenal) was banned for a number of games
for landing an upper cut on a Coventry player (Glenn Cockerill I believe)
and breaking his jaw.
His guilt was proven by the use of the ITV television replay.
Can anyone explain why EUFA refuse to accept a video taped replay of
the Boli incident??
PJ
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231.3 | Splitting hairs!! | FORTY2::ROBERTSON | You don't wanna do it like that !!!! | Tue Jun 16 1992 13:07 | 19 |
| >> A few years ago, Paul Davis (Arsenal) was banned for a number of games
>> for landing an upper cut on a Coventry player (Glenn Cockerill I believe)
>> and breaking his jaw.
Don't mean to split hairs but The game was between Southampton & Arsenal.
Personally I feel that the amount of "cheating" ( for wont of another word ) is
beginning to get out of hand. I don't agree with the idea of stopping games to
let the ref look at an action replay, but if players try and get away with
actions such as Boli against Pearce, then I'm all in favour of a post match
review by a panel from the governing body.
The actions taken by the F.A. against Davies & Saunders were totally justified in
my opinion, and if players know that there could be "Trial by television" then
maybe they'd think twice before elbowing an opponent, pushing the ball over an
oncoming Goalie into the net with his hand, or tripping over air to get a
penalty.
Al
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231.4 | | YUPPY::OHAGANB | Give my regards to Sgt Fury | Tue Jun 16 1992 13:22 | 8 |
| > and if players know that there could be "Trial by television" then
> maybe they'd think twice before...................................
> ...............................tripping over air to get a penalty.
Thus effectively ending the career of one Jurgen Klinsman. 8^)
barry.
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231.5 | Can we get back to the football? | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Tue Jun 16 1992 14:13 | 9 |
| Did anyone else see that Pearce has apparently said that he didn't think Boli
did it on purpose? He said that Boli was about to run after the ball, that he
(Pearce) was still shielded by the Frenchman he was still grappling with
(Angloma?), and it was an accidental collision. Possibly Pearce just being a
'lad' here, honour amonmg thieves etc. And all we got to see was a distant
shot from half way down the pitch - certainly not enough for us, never mind
UEFA, to go crucifying people.
grahame
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231.6 | | SUBURB::INV_LIBRARY | Who hell he?!? | Tue Jun 16 1992 14:30 | 21 |
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re .5
> And all we got to see was a distant
>shot from half way down the pitch - certainly not enough for us,
>never mind UEFA, to go crucifying people.
I have to disagree here. The TV pictures showed quite clearly that Boli
deliberately butted Pearce, without any apparent provocation. There is
a serious issue here as well; players cannot be allowed to get away
with committing assault on opponents, otherwise violent incidents such
as this may well become more commomplace. Boli was guilty of a criminal
offence (assault); the fact that it took place on a football field
should not make him immune from punishment. Given the context of the
offence that punishment should come from the football authorities (in
this case UEFA) rather than the police.
jeff
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231.7 | cheat, cheat, cheat,.... | YUPPY::STRAGED | Toto...this sure ain't Kansas!! | Tue Jun 16 1992 15:56 | 23 |
| I suppose there is another issue underlying comments from Pearce and
those who don't believe in trial by television and that is "Where do
you draw the line?"
Is Boli's deliberate headbutt in the same category as Maradona's "hand
of God"? One is assault and the other is cheating. Neither should be
allowed on the field of play, but who is the final arbitrator??
Also, everyone (at one time or another) has committed a foul that
bordered on assault (eg when Gazza b*ggered his knee), but trial by
television will force someone to make a value judgement.
With regard to cheating, hasn't everyone (at one time or another)
appealed to the ref for a throw-in knowing full well that you were
the last person to touch the ball?? What's the difference between
that and Maradona's cheating? Again, who's to judge??
I would suggest either a second referee or giving linesmen authority to
stop play for any infringement.
PJ (Who appealed to the ref several times during the noters
tournament)
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231.8 | UEFA | OPG::TONY | | Tue Jun 16 1992 18:31 | 11 |
| I think that UEFA must take action for the sake of football...
Not doing anything about it, more or less condones violence
on the pitch when the officials havent seen it.
And the message to all pro's is if you are lucky NOT to be SEEN then
thats fine by us...!!!
Terrible for the game..especially when it looks to be taking a slump
in terms of entertainment value..
Tony
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231.9 | The Sega before/after brought this to mind 8*) | PAKORA::CDOUDIE | Free Scotland... | Wed Jun 17 1992 06:58 | 8 |
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re .7
Bit of coincidence here !!
Maradonna's hand ball incident....Pearce being head butted and....
Stuart Pearce stopping a certain Brazil goal with his hand in the
friendly a few years back.....8*)
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231.10 | Selective Replays
| FRAMBO::BRADLEY | Ja, das Bier-gut ist | Wed Jun 17 1992 13:47 | 11 |
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Regarding the Boli-Pearce incident, we in mainland Europe didn't actually
get to see any proper replays of it - apparently each national TV station does
its own action replays. That's why in the Scotland-Germany game the four or
five goal chances by the Scots in the first half were not replayed at all,
whereas every 1000-1 attempt by the Germans etc etc blah blah.
I think the host country should control all TV output, otherwise certain
bias could turn into paranoid zenophobia.
Bob
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231.11 | | RTOEU::RDELANEY | I'll sit on your face for a fiver..... | Wed Jun 17 1992 14:33 | 9 |
| >Regarding the Boli-Pearce incident, we in mainland Europe didn't actually
>get to see any proper replays of it - apparently each national TV station does
That's right Bob. None of the English guys here complained about the
incident as the Germans didn't show any replays. The players didn't
seem to make an issue of it either. Maybe Boli just has a hard head
like Richard Gough......
- Robin......
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231.12 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Wed Jun 17 1992 15:26 | 6 |
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Well they showed it plenty of times here. It was a blatent
head butt but who gives a toss ?? Pearce is a big lad and Boli
won't do it a second time.
JN.
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231.13 | England....the perfect BLAND | IRNBRU::SHIELDS | Press KP7 for a frontal lobotomy | Wed Jun 17 1992 15:50 | 9 |
| re .11
If you watch the action replay it was not Gough who heeded the Germam,
it was two Germans colliding. McCall on the other hand ( head ) done
the business ) But how did the 5 foot midfielder get up that high.
Action replay to the Tango advert. He has a stepladder in his back
pocket.
Nick
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231.14 | Its only a scratch | UKBOPS::RDGMP | The Rebel | Wed Jun 17 1992 16:08 | 8 |
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>Pearce is a big lad and Boli won't do it a second time.
Maybe not to Stuart Pearce, but maybe to another player now he has been
let off. Or some young French lad may try to copy his hero. Players
at this level should set a good example!
Pete.
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231.15 | It leaves a sour taste.... | YUPPY::STRAGED | Toto...this sure ain't Kansas!! | Wed Jun 17 1992 18:16 | 12 |
| Well said, Pete.
I'm less concerned that Boli did not go unpunished or that the players
are playing down the incident. What really upsets me is the message it
sends to young players all over the world - namely anything is
acceptable as long as you can get away with it.
This is why I put the Boli head-butt, Maradona's hand of God, and
others in the same category. If nothing is done to reprimand players
for unethical behaviour, then the game itself is in danger.
PJ
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