Conference trucks::football;1

The results soo far;

Iceland		- Albania		2 - 0
Iceland		- France		1 - 2
Czechoslovakia  - Iceland		1 - 0
Spain		- Iceland		2 - 1
France		- Czechoslovakia	2 - 1
Czechoslovakia	- Spain			3 - 2
Albania		- France		0 - 1
Spain		- Albania		9 - 0
France		- Spain			3 - 1
France		- Albania		5 - 0
Albania		- Chechoslovakia	0 - 2
Albania		- Iceland		1 - 0
Iceland		- Czechoslovakia	0 - 1
Czechoslovakia  - France		1 - 2
Iceland		- Spain			2 - 0
Spain		- France		1 - 2
Czechoslovakia	- Albania		2 - 1
Spain		- Czechoslovakia	2 - 1

France		7  7  0  0	17 -  5	   14
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Chechoslovakia  8  5  0  3	12 -  9    10
Spain		7  3  0  4	17 - 12     6
Iceland		7  2  0  5	 6 -  7	    4
Albania		7  1  0  6	 2 - 21	    2

Remaining games;

20-nov-1991	France		- Iceland
18-dec-1991	Albania		- Spain

The results soo far;

Switzerland	- Bulgaria		2 - 0
Scotland	- Romania		2 - 1
Romania		- Bulgaria		0 - 3
Scotland	- Switzerland		2 - 1
Bulgaria	- Scotland		1 - 1
San Marino	- Switzerland		0 - 4
Romania		- San Marino		6 - 0
Scotland	- Bulgaria		1 - 1
San Marino	- Romania		1 - 3
Switzerland	- Romania		0 - 0
Bulgaria	- Switzerland		2 - 3
San Marino	- Scotland		0 - 2
San Marino	- Bulgaria		0 - 3
Switzerland	- San Marino		7 - 0
Switzerland	- Scotland		2 - 2
Bulgaria	- San Marino		4 - 0
Romania		- Scotland		1 - 0
Scotland	- San Marino		4 - 0
Romania		- Switzerland		1 - 0

Scotland	8  4  3  1	14 -  7	   11
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Switzerland	8  4  2  2	19 -  7	   10
Romania		7  4  1  2	12 -  6	    9
Bulgaria	7  3  2  2	14 -  7     8
San Marino	8  0  0  8	 1 - 33     0

Remaining Games;

20-nov-1991	Bulgaria	- Romania

The results soo far;

USSR		- Norway		2 - 0
Norway		- Hungary		0 - 0
Hungary		- Italy			1 - 1
Hungary		- Cyprus		4 - 2
Italy		- USSR			0 - 0
Cyprus		- Norway		0 - 3
Cyprus		- Italy			0 - 4
Cyprus		- Hungary		0 - 2
Hungary		- USSR			0 - 1
Italy		- Hungary		3 - 1
Norway		- Cyprus		3 - 0
USSR		- Cyprus		4 - 0
Norway		- Italy			2 - 1
Norway		- USSR			0 - 1
USSR		- Hungary		2 - 2
Hungary		- Norway		0 - 0
USSR		- Italy			0 - 0
Cyprus		- USSR			0 - 3
Italy		- Norway		1 - 1

USSR		8  5  3  0     13 -  2	   13
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Norway		8  3  3  2	9 -  5      9
Italy		7  2  4  1     10 -  5	    8
Hungary         8  2  4  2     10 -  9      8
Cyprus		7  0  0  7	2 - 23	    0

Remaining games;

21-dec-1991	Italy		- Cyprus

The results soo far;

N. Ireland	- Yugoslavia		0 - 2
Faroe Islands	- Austria		1 - 0
Denmark		- Faroe Islands		4 - 1	
N. Ireland	- Denmark		1 - 1
Yugoslavia	- Austria		4 - 1
Denmark		- Yugoslavia		0 - 2
Austria		- N. Ireland		0 - 0
Yugoslavia	- N. Ireland		4 - 0
Yugoslavia	- Denmark		1 - 2
N. Ireland	- Faroe Islands		1 - 1
Yugoslavia	- Faroe Islands		7 - 0
Austria		- Faroe Islands		3 - 0
Denmark		- Austria		2 - 1
Faroe Islands	- N. Ireland		0 - 5
Faroe Islands   - Denmark		0 - 4
Austria		- Denmark		0 - 3
Faroe Islands	- Yugoslavia		0 - 2
N. Ireland	- Austria		2 - 1
Denmark		- N. Ireland		2 - 1
Austria		- Yugoslavia		0 - 2

Yugoslavia	8  7  0  1	24 -  4	   14
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Denmark		8  6  1  1	18 -  7    13
N. Ireland	8  2  3  3	11 - 11     7
Austria		8  1  1  6	 6 - 14     3
Faroe Islands 	8  1  1  6	 3 - 26     3

The results soo far;

Wales		- Belgium		3 - 1
Luxembourg	- Germany		2 - 3
Luxembourg	- Wales			0 - 1
Belgium		- Luxembourg		3 - 0
Belgium		- Wales			1 - 1
Bermany		- Belgium		1 - 0
Wales		- Germany		1 - 0
Luxembourg	- Belgium		0 - 2
Germany		- Wales			4 - 1
Wales		- Luxembourg		1 - 0

Wales		6  4  1  1	8 -  6	    9
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Germany		4  3  0  1	8 -  4      6
Belgium		5  2  1  2	7 -  5	    5
Luxembourg	5  0  0  5	2 - 10	    0

Remaining games;

20-nov-1991	Belgium		- Germany
17-dec-1991	Germany		- Luxembourg

The results soo far;

Finland		- Portugal		0 - 0
Portugal	- Holland		1 - 0
Greece		- Malta			4 - 0
Holland		- Greece		2 - 0
Malta		- Finland		1 - 1
Malta		- Holland		0 - 8
Greece		- Portugal		3 - 2
Malta		- Portugal		0 - 1
Portugal	- Malta			5 - 0
Holland		- Malta			1 - 0
Holland		- Finland		2 - 0
Finland		- Malta			2 - 0
Finland		- Holland		1 - 1
Portugal	- Finland		1 - 0
Finland		- Greece		1 - 1
Holland		- Portugal		1 - 0
Greece		- Finland		2 - 0

Holland		7  5  1  1	15 -  2	   11
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Portugal	7  4  1  2	10 -  4	    9
Greece		5  3  1  1	10 -  5     7
Finland		8  1  4  3	 5 -  8     6
Malta		7  0  1  6	 1 - 22	    1

Remaining games;

20-nov-1991	Portugal	- Greece
04-dec-1991	Greece		- Holland
22-dec-1991	Malta		- Greece

The results soo far;

England		- Poland		2 - 0
Ireland		- Turkey		5 - 0
Ireland		- England		1 - 1
Turkey		- Poland		0 - 1
England		- Ireland		1 - 1
Poland		- Turkey		3 - 0
Ireland		- Poland		0 - 0
Turkey		- England		0 - 1
Poland		- Ireland		3 - 3
England		- Turkey		1 - 0
Turkey		- Ireland		1 - 3
Poland		- England		1 - 1

England		6  3  3  0	7 -  3	    9
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Ireland		6  2  4  0     13 -  6	    8
Poland		6  2  3  1	8 -  6	    7
Turkey		6  0  0  6	1 - 14	    0

    re 117.0
    
    > BTW, i read in
    > this mornings paper that Estonia, Lithuania and Lathvia will be in the drawing
    > for qualification for WC i USA, the drawing will take place in New York,
    > 8th december. How about USSR and Estonia in the same group...

    Mats, does this mean there will be 8 qualifying groups for 1994? As it
    is now, there are 34 countries participating, and if the 3 Baltic
    states will play that's 37. I also head that Israel has applied to UEFA
    to be part of European groups. (It is crazy for them to play Fiji, NZ,
    Australia, etc every time). If this brings it to 38, there will still
    be the same setup of most groups with 5 countries and a couple of
    4-team groups. This is better than two groups of 6 + five groups of 5.
    There is also one less place from Europe, since Africa picked up a 3rd
    spot. Hmmmm, gets kinda complicated...
    
    Tom   

    I read somewhere that if there is a total break up of the Soviet Union,
    there will be 42 separate countries. I would guess that at least 6, and
    maybe more will join UEFA. Add Israel to that as well..... and consider
    Africa wanting more world cup places.......
    
    How long do you think UEFA will support separate U.K. entries ?
    How long before England, Scotland, Wales and N.I. are forced to merge ?
    
    Regards,
    Wayne

    
    re: -1
    
    If UEFA are happy to accept an increase in numbers with countries such
    as Latvia and Estonia etc. joining in, I can't see them being in a
    position to force the merger of Scotland, England, N.I. and Wales. I'm
    not being offensive to any of the new countries but surely if they're
    allowed to compete as individuals then countries like Scotland etc.,
    with a proven world cup record ( albeit as first round losers ) must be
    allowed to compete. I think it should strengthen the case for Scotland
    etc. to remain separate.
    
    Brian.

    
    But what happens when there are many countries chasing few places.
    Other European contries will be concerned the the U.K. has (effectivly)
    4 chances to grab these places.
    
    The only reason that UEFA supports separate entries is not because of
    proven (or otherwise) track records, or history, but because it gives
    them 3 extra votes. With all the new countries springing up (Don't
    forget there could be another half dozen from the break up of
    Yugoslavia), pressure may be brought to bear.
    
    I for one hope they remain separate. But somehow, I wonder if they will
    be allowed to. (At least for World Cup competitions.) On the reverse
    side however, I can see major benefits for the U.K. Not that I think
    they would be unbeatable, but I believe they would be more competative.
    
    Regards,
    Wayne.
                                                                           

    
    The WC-qualification is under FIFA superstition, not UEFA. Thats why
    San Marino and the Faroe Islands can compete in the Euro-qualification.
    Estonia, Lithuania and Lathvia was FIFA-members up to 1940, and their
    membership was never formally cancelled. Thats why the are getting an
    provisional membership and can compete in the WC-qualification.
    
    If there is a total break up of the Soviet Union (and Yugoslavia), i
    think that one thing is to do it the olympic qualification
    way. Europe has 4 places for Barcelona and there is 8 Qualifying
    gruoups. The winners will drawn in a two-legged affair (4 matches),
    and it will be played according to UEFA-rules. Another thing to do is to
    make the lowest ranked nations , #28-* meet eachother in one or
    two two-legged rounds, competing for the 28th place. Then draw the 28
    nations into seven 4-nation groups.
    
    A good thing to do is extend WC to 32 nations, Giving Europe at least
    three more entries. Making eight 4-nation groups, and let the two best
    teams go threw, you don have to bother who is the best third-positioned
    team.
    
    I think it would be a shame to merge the brittish teams to one
    UK-entry. Brittain have a very old and strong football tradition, and i
    don't think that UEFA, nor FIFA will change that. Anyway, it's the only
    chance for John Aldridge to get any more caps...
    
    Mats
    
    

Republic of Ireland  <--> John Aldridge 
^^^^^^^^ 
    |
    +--> Independent of UK :-)))))

    
    You newer know, getting that old his only chance of internationals is
    to find a greatgreatgrandaunt who was born in Cardiff...:-)
    
    During my stay in Galway, the irish made it quite clear that Republic
    of Ireland is independent. I asked i one pub if the beer was typical
    english, and the bartender nearly shuffed the pint down my throat.
    
    Mats 
    (Who's greatgrandfather was born on the Faroe Islands. Maybe i will
     play in the next qualification.)

    >(Who's greatgrandfather was born on the Faroe Islands. Maybe i will
    > play in the next qualification.)
    
    	I would have thought if you can run AND kick a ball at the same
    time you might get a game for Sweden, never mind the Faroe Islands.
    
    
    		Anon.

    On a totally different note sort of:
    
    Will Yugoslavia actually be allowed to take their place in Sweden given
    the civil war taking place at the moment. As there hasn't been a war
    as such in Europe since this competition started there isn't a
    precedent I can think of. I guess UEFA are hedging their bets as
    they appear to be letting club teams continue to play in Europe but
    isn't it kind of immoral to allow a country that is murdering its own
    citizens to appear on a European stage.
    
    Not that I like mixing politics and football but it's an important
    topic...
    
    Regards,                
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

	re .16

>    isn't it kind of immoral to allow a country that is murdering its own
>    citizens to appear on a European stage.

	Well, they always let the USSR appear.

	Tony

>	Well, they always let the USSR appear.
    
    
    		So?

    
    UEFA, a week organsiationa as it is, dont know how to handle the
    situation. Mr. Lennart Johansson, the UEFA president said yesterday
    that no Yugosavian province (Serbia, Croatioa etc) can take Yugoslavias
    place in the finals.
    
    There will be a meeting on december 4th to decide weather Yugoslavia
    will participate in Sweden or not.
    
    I read in som other note that if two contries ends up with the same
    amount of points, same goaldifference and have scored the same amount
    of goals, there will be a drawing of lots to decide the winner. That is
    not true. Both UEFA and FIFA states that an extra game on neutral
    ground should be the decider (exept for WC-finals, there is no time for
    extra matches).
    
    Mats
    
    Kick and run won't take me to the national squad, but it sure would be
    enough to make me an english supporter...
    

    Question: If Yugoslavia does not participate, who will take their slot?
              
    JC

>>    Question: If Yugoslavia does not participate, who will take their slot?
              
       Denmark for coming second I presume ????
   

    
    Re. -1.
    
    Correct, Denmark it is. And if Germany where to be disqualified, second
    team in group 5 will take their place (Wales).
    
    Mats

If Germany end up top of the group, I presume. There is
still the matter of Luxembourg in Leverkusen to be
dealt with.

Why would/could Germany be disqualified anyway ??

Normally I would prefer Luxembourg to get a result and
allow Wales to qualify, but after noticing Mr. Page's
recent personal name.....come on Germany....

Joe Jordan...

    
    Before and after the game against Belgium, apparently the German fans
    did a lot of vandalising and fighting. UEFA will decide a punishment
    for the German Football Associasion on their meeting in December.
    There's been talk of diqualifying Germany for Euro-92 (if they qualify)
    but i think that UEFA will only make a large fee.
    
    Luxembourg won't be a problem for Germany, a point is enough to win the
    group.
    
    Mats

    For the ones that didn't read Ton's reply (29.21): Holland made it
    to Sweden. Yesterday they played Greece and beat them (0 - 2).
    
    Rob

    
    An article in today's paper under the headline "Italians and Danes
    Still Have Swede Dreams" states that Italy and Denmark are on standby
    for a back-door entry to the European Championship Finals.
    
    Lennart Johannson said, "It's impossible to say what will happen in the
    USSR and Yugoslavia but I hope and believe both their soccer federations 
    will exist in june."  However, he went on to say that Italy and Denmark 
    would be "natural replacements" should either or both countries be unable 
    to take part. 
    
    ...Derek              

    
    	re last...
    
    	I understood that in fact Wales were favourites to qualify in the
    	unfortunate eventuality of strife preventing USSR and/or Yugoslavia
    	taking part, due to their superior "points-per-game" finishing 
    	position...
    	     
    	Andy.

    
    Re .27;
    
    Unfortunatelly Andy, the fact is that if a group-winner where to be
    disqualified, the second placed team in that group will overtake the
    winners place, thats the rule. The only thing for you to hope for is a
    miracle tomorrow night, or that the German fans once again makes a
    disgrace of themselves, making UEFA disqualify Germany.
    
    BTW, Italy's second place isn't clear yet, the play Cyprus on saturday.
    
    Mats

    Feel sorry for the Welsh, they deserve it far more than the Italians.
    Come on you Cypriots!
    
    Barry.

    It is still unclear who will play for Yugoslavia. That country is now
    ofiicially made of Serbia and Montenegro only. However, Slovens might
    show up (Katanec). It looks like Croatian players are out of the
    question (Boban).
    
    �JF?

    The Yugoslavian squad have turned up in Sweden, confident they
    will be able to play.

    Sky news seem to think Denmark are the 'standby replacements'.

	According to BBC WS, Yuogosalvia plays unless the UN Security Council
	votes full sporting sanctions agains Serbia at the week-end.

	Tony

    
    According to the news last night, Yugoslavia are definetly out of the
    competition and Denmark are to be England's first opponents.
    
    Greg...