Conference abbott::java

You don't see Microsoft on the list either. 

Well, I didn't expect to see Microsoft.

Hmmm... are you saying we aren't on the list because we're following
Microsoft's lead?  I catch on quickly. :)


Did anyone see the Gartner report on Microsoft and AFC?

http://weblib.ako.dec.com/Gartner/INET/00035464.htm

It's my understanding that 100% Pure Java applies to software vendors and end-users who are developing code in
Java.  Digital is a Virtual Machine vendor.  If you look at the white paper on the JavaSoft web site, you'll see 2
puzzle pieces, one for the VM and one for 100% Pure Java.  Digital's JDK represents the VM piece.  It is our
responsibility to provide a VM that allows applications that are validated as 100% Pure Java to run on our
platform.  We will be able to use the Java Compatible logo when we pass the compatability tests provided by Sun -
and we are in the process of doing that.

There may be Java applications developed at Digital that might want to be certified as 100% Pure Java.  If so, it
would be appropriate for Digital to be listed and participate in the program.

I'm not sure why system vendors such as IBM and HP are listed as supporters of this program.  Most of the
companies on the list are application/software developers.  It's possible that Digital should also be listed as a
company that supports the idea of having 100% Pure Java programs.  I'll look into what that means for Digital to
be listed as a supporter.

I agree it's not good to have Digital's name missing from such a distinguished list.

Dianne Davis 

What would we do with 100% pure java if we backed it anyway?  Correct
me if I'm wrong, but aren't we divesting ourselves slowly of any home
grown software application products, and focusing mainly on developing
killer hardware and operating systems.

Our sales force are able to sell 'complete solutions' to customer in
the Microsoft (Intel/Alpha) market, cos there are plenty of products
already available to be packaged.  The same can be said of Unix in 
a more limited fashon, but again, not without using 3rd party products.

100% Pure Java, while I salute what it stands for and wish it every
success, is for 'developers'.  Are we developing Java products to
be sold in commercial markets?  I don't think so.  So 100% Pure
Java support from Digital would be an empty gesture, except perhaps
from a marketing/mindshare perspective.

John 
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    John,
    
    It's exactly that, a marketing/mindshare game.  "100% Pure" is for milk
    and orange juice.  This is just the old "open" vs. "proprietary" debate
    and the list of backers could be likened to the ACE consortium (remember
    that?).

> This is just the old "open" vs. "proprietary" debate and the list of
> backers could be likened to the ACE consortium (remember that?).

Indeed I do :-)   

Lets hope that 100% pure Java doesn't go the same route.
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    re: .3
    
    >I'm not sure why system vendors such as IBM and HP are listed as
    >supporters of *companies on the list are application/software
    >developers.
    
    	Well, IBM is the largest software company in the world, aren't
    there ? So I guess they have a vested interest in 100% java.  Also,
    they are developing java components for Domino and their NCs.
    They are supposedly writing a new cc:Mail entirely in java (I think
    it's called cc:Java !)
    
    Now if you remember that 100% java was invented because Microsoft was
    thought to make Java more tied to a specific platform and that
    Microsoft does not really like the 100% java initiative then you may
    understand why Digital does not want to endorse it (Microsot is our
    partner).
    
    Thierry.