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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

1119.0. "Installer?" by SWETSC::WESTERBACK (Mai pen rai!) Tue Nov 01 1994 06:10

    Hi all,
    
    I have a question that I need a native English speaker to answer:
    
    For a form we are putting together we have a field where you should
    enter the name of the person who will install a software. 
    
    Question: How should we label this field, (call this person)? 
    Is Installer a correct English word, or is there a better one? 
    
    Thanks,
    Hans
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1119.1HLDE01::SOEMBA::RIKMostly HarmlessTue Nov 01 1994 06:236
(if you're not sure about a certain construct, try another ...)

Installed by: <name here>

                                                        
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1119.2VORTEX::SMURF::BINDERetsi capularis ego vita fruarTue Nov 01 1994 07:003
    Why not "Person who will install this software"?
    
    -dick
1119.3Software to be installed by: <name>WELSWS::HILLNIt&#039;s OK, it&#039;ll be dark by nightfallTue Nov 01 1994 08:061
    
1119.4CAPNET::ROSCHTue Nov 01 1994 12:171
    SW Installation Engineer
1119.5JRDV04::DIAMONDsegmentation fault (california dumped)Tue Nov 01 1994 16:075
    I think "Installer" is correct.
    
    "A software" (as written in .0) isn't.
    
    -- Norman Diamond
1119.6Correct isn't always optimum.VORTEX::SMURF::BINDERetsi capularis ego vita fruarTue Nov 01 1994 16:2210
    Re .5
    
    "Installer" is correct; but, given that many Macintosh programs are
    installed by programs named "<Program-Name> Installer" or, often,
    simply "Installer," and many PC programs  are installed by programs
    named "INSTALL.EXE," the single word is ambiguous.  Clearly, there are
    problems of clarity; otherwise, why would the basenoter have asked for
    assistance?
    
    -dick
1119.7An alligator is a person who alligates?PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseTue Nov 01 1994 23:289
    	I am a native English speaker, and I have used "installer" recently
    in documentation, but this was in a context (answering installation
    questions) where it couldn't be confused with a piece of software.
    
    	I have a vague rememberance from hundreds of years ago when I was
    at school that we were given a rule-of-thumb that if it was a person
    doing it then you should use the "or" ending, while if it was a thing
    then you should use the "er" ending. I have no idea where this "rule"
    came from.
1119.8SWETSC::WESTERBACKMai pen rai!Wed Nov 02 1994 01:1614
    Thanks for your input!
    
    I think we'll go for Installer, there won't be any ambiguity
    about whether a person or a piece of software is intended.
    (This is an internal form for ordering software application
    installations from IS/OSC).
    
    Re .6: The reason I asked was merely that we weren't sure if
    the word installer was at all appropriate in this context...
    In Swedish the word is indeed "installat�r", but we couldn't 
    recollect seeing installer being used in English. It is in the
    dictionary, but the description wasn't that exhaustive.
    
    Hans
1119.9HLDE01::SOEMBA::RIKMostly HarmlessWed Nov 02 1994 01:4710
>    In Swedish the word is indeed "installat�r", but we couldn't 
>    recollect seeing installer being used in English. It is in the

In Dutch this word (installateur) is more likely to refer to a person installing
heating, water or electricity in a building. It could be used in the context you
mention, but would not be my word of choice. Kind of calling a CS engineer a
mechanic (which I have been, both).

                                                        
                                                  - Rik -
1119.10JRDV04::DIAMONDsegmentation fault (california dumped)Thu Nov 03 1994 16:339
    Re .7
    
    >	I have a vague rememberance from hundreds of years ago when I was
    >at school that we were given a rule-of-thumb that if it was a person
    >doing it then you should use the "or" ending, while if it was a thing
    >then you should use the "er" ending. I have no idea where this "rule"
    >came from.
    
    From your ruler, of course.
1119.11It must have been our educator (or dictator)PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseThu Nov 03 1994 23:371
    
1119.12AUSSIE::WHORLOWBushies do it for FREE!Sun Nov 06 1994 14:329
    G'day,
    
     No, it was a regulation... ie the rulor's brother said it.
    
    
    Give him a foot, and he thinks he is a ruler...
    
    
    derek
1119.13A Year Late and an Installer Shortwook.mso.dec.com::mold.ogo.dec.com::leeWook like book with a WWed Sep 20 1995 23:573
FWIW, I'd've used "Installer's Name:_________"

Wook