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| 1105.1 | U as in Result | WHOS01::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Tue Jul 05 1994 08:45 | 3 |
| G.B. Shaw, in the preface to "Pygmalion" cites a phoneticist friend to
the effect that the "U" in "result" (the RP pronunciation) appeared in
no other word in the language.
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| 1105.2 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Tue Jul 05 1994 08:59 | 4 |
| RP pronunciation? To my ears, the "u" in "result" is identical
to the "u" in "dull."
andrew
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| 1105.3 | If "RP pronunciation" refers to "Received Pronunciation," then... | DRDAN::KALIKOW | No Federal Tacks on the Info Hwy! | Tue Jul 05 1994 11:08 | 4 |
| ... can we send it back to the DoRD�? :)
� Department of Redundancy Dept.
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| 1105.4 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Tue Jul 05 1994 11:24 | 8 |
| Re .2
Too much time in the USA might lead to such a conclusion. But in RP,
the two sounds are distinct. "Result" obviosuly ends with `lt' rather
than `ll' - what is less obvious is that the resulting palatal
distortion of the `u' is less pronounced by virtue of being clipped.
-dick
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| 1105.5 | not so dull | BBRDGE::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Sat Jul 09 1994 13:29 | 10 |
| My ear for RP has been softened since I quit the diplomatic circles
but nonetheless the vowel sound of "result" would be nothing like
that for "dull", not to mention any modulation effect of of the
different terminating consonants.
For RP rendering of "result", try "RIZOOLT" where you pronounce
the "I" as in "with" and the "OO" as in "wool" or "bull" for that
matter.
/Chris.
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| 1105.6 | As in "put," then? | 4GL::LASHER | Working... | Sun Jul 10 1994 06:29 | 1 |
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| 1105.7 | GHOTI | TAVIS::JUAN | | Thu Jul 14 1994 03:33 | 8 |
| Within the boundaries of the Audible ALphabet, please pronounce
GHOTI and tell us what it means?
(It comes from my old English teacher and teaser)
Regards,
Juan-Carlos
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| 1105.8 | anticipatory, circular tangent | GAVEL::PCLX31::satow | gavel::satow, dtn 223-2584 | Thu Jul 14 1994 06:44 | 9 |
| > Within the boundaries of the Audible ALphabet, please pronounce
> GHOTI and tell us what it means?
See topic 483.
What is fascinating is that the first reply to topic 483 belongs in note
1105!
Clay
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| 1105.9 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Thu Jul 14 1994 16:54 | 4 |
| >What is fascinating is that the first reply to topic 483 belongs in note
>1105!
1101?
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| 1105.10 | | GAVEL::PCLX31::satow | gavel::satow, dtn 223-2584 | Fri Jul 15 1994 07:25 | 8 |
| >>What is fascinating is that the first reply to topic 483 belongs in note
>>1105!
> 1101?
1101 it is. Doomo.
Clay
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| 1105.11 | | CSC32::D_DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo, Customer Support Center | Fri Jul 15 1994 08:03 | 3 |
| That's my reply. :-)
Dan
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| 1105.12 | Tempora mutantur | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Thu Jul 21 1994 05:56 | 6 |
| It's worth remembering that RP when GBS was writing wasn't the same
as what people know as RP today - fairly close, but not identical.
In the '20s, for example, taxis (or taximeter cabriolets) rhymed with
taxes (the only certainty apart from death).
b
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| 1105.13 | Oops | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Tue Jul 26 1994 07:10 | 13 |
| I've just realized that `RP', even among people familiar with the
expression, means at least two things: the way to pronounce the
phonemes of English (of which there are relatively few), and the way
to pronounce the allophones of English (of which there are many more).
Even in GBS's day, there was one /u/ phoneme (in the IPA it's an upside
down `v') in both `result' and `dull'; the allophones were different,
and they still are (look at a speech spectrogram next time you get the
chance). Professor Higgins was talking about allophones, and the
taxes/taxis example shows a shift in the phonemes (i.e. it wasn't a
good example - accurate, interesting, maybe; but a bad example).
(There have been shifts in both areas over the last 80+ yrs.)
b
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