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1091.1 | printing ligatures or something else? | TLE::JBISHOP | | Fri Mar 25 1994 06:58 | 10 |
| I've seen "ct" in an early edition of Gibbon's _Decline_and_Fall_
of_the_Roman_Empire (twelve volumes from the 1800's). This may
not qualify, as it seems to be a printing ligature, along the lines
of "fi" and "ffi".
German "�" as in "da�" is actually "S+Z" historically, even if it's
treated as "S+S" now, and might have been pronounced as the digraph
"th" in "either" (edh).
-John Bishop
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1091.2 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Fri Mar 25 1994 08:02 | 8 |
| I am not sure if it qualifies exactly for what you want, but "th"
was written in old English as a single letter, closely resembling a
"Y". You may have seen this in "Ye Olde Tea Shoppe" signs. I believe it
is still in regular use in Icelandic. "@" possibly qualifies too.
Bother! I can't do that German B on my keyboard. I have tried
several of the more obvious "compose" combinations. You see it quite
often in a variant of "strasse" in Bavarian street names.
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1091.3 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Fri Mar 25 1994 12:32 | 18 |
| .2
There were two forms of "th." The one that is in words like "with" or
"forth" is a hard fricative; the other, in words such as "other" and
"the," is a voiced sound. Thse two sounds were represented in Old and
Middle English by a single character, not a ligature, that was derived
from the runic alphabet and is known as "thorn." It closely resembles
an overstriking of the letters b and p. As movable type became common,
the thorn was gradually substituted for, and eventually replaced, by
Y and y.
The German double S is made by Compose-s-s. Do not use the shift key!
Ae, Oe, ae, oe, ss, ct, fi, ffi, fl, and ffl are the ones I know. The
vowel pairs are linguistic, the others are merely typographical, I'd
say.
-dick
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1091.4 | typography | RAGMOP::T_PARMENTER | Unsung Superstar | Mon Mar 28 1994 06:27 | 2 |
| You see fonts with ct and st ligatures.
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1091.5 | | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Tue Mar 29 1994 09:54 | 3 |
| Ahem. The ampersand is "et": &
Ann B.
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1091.6 | | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Tue Mar 29 1994 14:07 | 9 |
| > Ahem. The ampersand is "et": &
That's not a ligature, that's a logogram.
It was a ligature back when Y was th, but that was before movable type.
(And why isn't your personal name "Don't panic -- y&."?)
There's also the fj ligature but I only know of a couple words that use it.
John
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1091.7 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Wed Mar 30 1994 06:49 | 18 |
| .6
Wrong, I think. The ampersand is indeed a ligature, albeit a much-
distorted one. It ligates the letters E and t ("et," the word for
"and" in Latin), thus:
**** **** *** **
* * * * * * * *
**** ***** ********** ********* **
* * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * *
**** * ******** ****** **** **
Some typefaces use an ampersand more closely resembling the third of
these characters than the fourth. The word "ampersand" is a Latinate
contraction of "and per se and," meaning "& by itself [equals] and."
-dick
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1091.8 | | JIT081::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Wed Mar 30 1994 20:38 | 26 |
| *
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* * * * * ** ** * ** *
* * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * ** * * *
* * * *** * * ** * *
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* * * *** * * * *
* * * * * * * ** *
* * * * * * * * *
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1091.9 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Thu Mar 31 1994 08:02 | 7 |
| Huh? Are you suggesting that it's possible to morph any character
string into any other by sufficient distortion? Nicely done, and
probably true, given sufficient imagination, but I think it's not
apposite. Typography is part of my business, Latin is part of my
pleasure, and I did not invent the content of .7 ex vacuo.
-dick
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1091.10 | | JIT081::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Thu Mar 31 1994 21:25 | 6 |
| I wasn't complaining about .7. In fact, your work in .7 provided an
excellent reminder that morphing is just a new name for an ancient
practice, in addition to suggesting just how ancient. I merely
picked up on it, that's all.
-- Norman Diamond
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1091.11 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Fri Apr 01 1994 06:33 | 2 |
| Oh. Okay, then, I'll tell my friend not to bother calling on your
friend. :-)
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1091.12 | y | WMOIS::BLANCHARD | | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:48 | 15 |
| I have a ligature that really bugs me. I can't create it on my keyboard
so you'll have to use our imagination(s). It's PX . Used by pharmacies
I believe it's used as an abbreviation for prescription. What bugs me
about this ligature is that people see it and say or read it as RX.
I can understand why people would say RX by *looking* at it because of
the way the two letters are ligaturated (ligatured?), but I wonder why
these folks can't make the connection that prescription doesn't begin
with "R".
Any thoughts?
Steve
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1091.13 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Fri Apr 15 1994 00:02 | 4 |
| Maybe you mix with the wrong sort of company. In ham radio RX and
TX are common abbreviations for receiver and transmitter.
A radio ham's first reaction on seeing something that looked a little
like a combined RX would be "hey, that's a neat way of writing RX".
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1091.14 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Fri Apr 15 1994 08:23 | 13 |
| Re .12
The symbol used by quacks for "prescription" is not PX, it is actually
RX. Somewhere, probably in this file, I explained that prescriptions
are written in Latin, with plenty of abbreviations - it's part of the
way the medical profession communicates despite differences in language
among practitioners in different localities. (The word "Stat" that you
hear in all those medical dramas is short for "statim," meaning
immediately, for example.)
Rx is an abbreviation for "Recipe" which is the second-person singular
present imperative of the Latin verb recipio/recipere, meaning to
receive or take.
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1091.15 | | EDABOT::RDAVIS | I am Wong..........Jing! | Fri Apr 15 1994 13:21 | 7 |
| > I wonder why
> these folks can't make the connection that prescription doesn't begin
> with "R".
... or end with "X".
Ray
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1091.16 | | SMURF::BINDER | Ut res per me meliores fiant | Fri Apr 15 1994 14:04 | 3 |
| FWIW, the same exact Rx symbol is used in Roman Catholic missals and
missalettes, to indicate the portion of an antiphon that the
congregation is supposed to say. Rx == Responsio.
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1091.17 | Here's your RX | WMOIS::BLANCHARD | | Fri Apr 15 1994 15:22 | 5 |
| Ok, Thanks for the feedback. So it looks like RX is in fact a
ligature.
sb
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