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    From: [email protected] (Rosario DSouza, J)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    Try:
    
    icsi-ftp.berkeley.edu:/pub/sather/sather-0.01.beta.tar.Z
    
    And by the way,
    
    why bother,
    with sather?
    
    Eiffel,
    will
    fulfill,
    your need.
    
    As the saying goes:
    
    Wisdom by the penny,
    Seems good to many,
    But is soon found,
    Foolish by the pound.

    From: [email protected] (Mel Walker)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    You say to try Eiffel
    (It must be delightful)
    But one thing you must understand-
    
    I know it's a hit
    but that's about it.
    I'm one very uninformed man.
    
    So where can I get
    A full, complete set
    So that I can learn and can play?
    
    Is it cheap or free?
    If so, then I'd be
    int'rested. It would make my day.

    From: [email protected] (Rosario DSouza, J)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    If you are a student,
    I'm certain that it wouldn't,
    
    Cost much to get,
    A real decent set,
    
    Of all that you need,
    To program with speed:
    
    Objects and classes,
    Compiled in four passes;
    
    A bunch of libraries,
    To write programs with ease;
    
    You never collect garbage,
    As you would do for C,
    
    And that itself makes coding,
    As easy as can be;
    
    Try inheritance today,
    In the Eiffel way,
    
    And you are certain to find,
    That when it is combined,
    
    With the bindings dynamic,
    And the typings static,
    
    And the classes generic,
    And ISE magic,
    
    Things fall in place,
    By mysterious grace,
    
    Makes programming a pleasure,
    By any sane measure.
    
    Not being a student,
    I dare say, shouldn't,
    
    Turn you away,
    From Eiffel today.
    
    The rest is up to you,
    I'm all for Eiffel; hope you are too.

    From: [email protected] (Matthew Faupel)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    The replies up to now haven't helped you
    To find out about Sather, this is true.
    It's in sa-0.2i.tar.Z
    In the /pub/sather directory
    On host icsi.berkeley.edu.
    
    I can't quite give it my backing,
    'cos in documentation it's visibly lacking,
    And to make it compile
    You might spend a while
    Engaged in nefarious hacking.
    
    (OK, so my scansion's vile but this is comp.lang.eiffel not
    rec.arts.poetry,
    and anyway, you try fitting a rhyme round sa-0.2i.tar.Z!)

    From: [email protected] (Mel Walker)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    I looked out at berkeley
    and it was so easy
    just "get sa-0.2i.tar.Z".
    
    And since it's my attitude,
    you all have my gratitude.
    You helped me without being rude.
    
    And note, if you please,
    that I, with some ease,
    rhymed the name of the dot-tar-dot-Z.

    From: [email protected] (Mel Walker)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    This sounds really great!
    And though that I ain't
    a student, I will try it and see.
    
    A old college prof
    thought Eiffel was tops
    and that was what interested me.
    
    You know what I feel
    Is its greatest appeal?
    It's not some darn offshoot of C.
    
    What would bring me elation
    is to find a location
    with Mac versions, commercial or free.

    From: [email protected] (Chris Flatters)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    >And note, if you please,
    >that I, with some ease,
    >rhymed the name of the dot-tar-dot-Z.
    
    Not for us Brits :-).

    From: [email protected] (Michael O'Docherty (CAG ra))
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather? (Well, sort of)
    
    I just want to see
    if system validity
    is handled by ISE-3.
    Won't someone tell me?
    
    I know this doesn't scan.
    I've done the best that I can.
    If you can do better,
    drop us all a letter :)
    
    ps.
    If you see this Trevor,
    feel free to be clever,
    but my main endeavour
    is to use this ode as an ISE lever!

    From: [email protected] (Bruce D Mount)
    Subject: More bad poetry
    
    Your poem about Eiffel
    Although quite insightful
    Didn't quite go all the way
    
    As a user of Eiffel
    I agree it's delightful
    But there's so much more we should say
    
    Multiple inheritance
    With Class/Loop invariants
    Make encapsulation a breeze
    
    And garbage collection
    Gives memory protection
    Putting your poor mind at ease
    
    Routines with assertions
    Prevent staff desertions
    Since little is left up to chance
    
    It's a whole new gestalt
    With no argue of fault
    Since blame is assigned in advance
    
    This Programming by Contract
    Allows minimal contact
    Between people that work as a team
    
    Cause a static type check
    May one day save your neck
    Ensuring your code is quite clean
    
    And though mistakes happen
    It's easy to trap 'em
    Cause Eiffel provides for exceptions
    
    They're raised and they're caught
    Productivity's bought
    By reducing the time for corrections
    
    Eiffel's run-time conformance
    And stellar performance
    Are an OOP combination that's rare
    
    And so easy to master
    It makes learning faster
    Than other OOP choices out there

    From: [email protected] (Mel Walker)
    Subject: Re: Where can I get Sather?
    
    > >And note, if you please,
    > >that I, with some ease,
    > >rhymed the name of the dot-tar-dot-Z.
    >
    > Not for us Brits :-).
    >
    Appeasing the Brit-heads,
    We'll say "Zee" like "Zed". :-)

    From: [email protected] (Glenn T Jayaputera)
    Subject: Where to get Eiffel for Ms-DOS
    
    I am wondering where to get the Eiffel compiler for MS-DOS
    machines.

    From: [email protected] (Mel Walker)
    Subject: Re: Where to get Eiffel for Ms-DOS
    
    > I am wondering where to get the Eiffel compiler for MS-DOS
    > machines.
    
    No No No! You mean:
    
    Where can I get
    a complete Eiffel set
    for MS-DOS
    'cause I'm at a loss.