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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

943.0. ""Let" = "may"?" by XANADU::RECKARD (Jon Reckard, 381-0878, ZKO3-2/T63) Mon Feb 03 1992 11:41

    What's the difference, if any, between "let" and "may", as in:
    	"Let it be"
    	"May the bluebird of happiness ..."
    Is it acceptable to say "May it be" or "Let the bluebird ..."?  Any
    further and/or clearer examples?

    I have vague recollections of grammatical terms such as "subjunctive"
    and "3rd person imperative", but I don't know if any of these apply or how.

    (Also, if this has been discussed elsewhere, a pointer would be
    appreciated.  I did a brief search, but couldn't find anything,
    although why I went looking *there*, I dunno.)
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943.1Optative? Jussive?MINAR::BISHOPMon Feb 03 1992 14:2016
    "Let" is an imperative addressed to your audience.  It means
    	"do not hinder or impede or block" as you would expect
    	given the meaning of "let".  It's a second-person imperative.
    
    "May" is the expression of a wish or desire, with no requested
    	action on the part of the listener(s) or speaker.  It's in the
    	third person, but I can't figure out the mood (subjunctive,
    	indicative?).
    
    Consider the paraphrases from the same deep structure--they show
    the person involved:
    
    	You will let X happen.
    	The bluebird may do X.
    
    			-John Bishop	
943.2AHD says ...WOOK::LEEWook... Like 'Book' with a 'W'Thu Mar 12 1992 10:2032
may aux.v. Past "might", present "may" for singular and plural
	1. To be allowed or permitted to
	2. Used to indicate a certain measure of likelihood or possibility
	3. To be obliged to; must
	4. Used to express a desire or fervent wish
	5. Used to express a contingency, purpose or result, in clauses by "that"
		or "so that"

[ME, to be able < OE m�g, 1st and 3rd person singular indicative of magan, to be
strong, be able.]

let v. let, letting, lets. - tr.
	1. To grant permission to; allow
	2. To cause to; make
	3. Used as an auxiliary in the imperative
	   a. In order to express a command, request, or proposal
	   b. In order to express a warning or threat
	4. To permit to enter, proceed, or depart
	5. To release from or as if from confinement
	6. To rent or lease
	7. To award, especially after bids are submitted
	- intr.
	1. To become rented or leased
	2. To be or become assigned, as to a contractor
[ME leten < OE l�tan. (with a macron over the ae-ligature)]

I happen to disagree with AHD as to whether the 4th and 5th definitions of the
transitive verb are really independent definitions.  I see them as using either
of the first two definitions in a phrase with the prepositions "in" and "out",
respectively.

Wook