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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

847.0. "On the pig's back" by GALVIA::DEASY (Scott me up Beamie) Wed Dec 05 1990 17:33

Does anyone know where this saying comes from?  I was surprised today to find
that a Scottish colleague had never heard it before (maybe he was never on
the pig's back before).  When I think about it there is an Irish version
"ar dhroim na muice" so maybe it is a native Irish saying.

Any idea where it comes from?

BTW in case you don't know it means that you are on to a good thing, doing OK.

David.
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847.1Is this right?WELMT2::HILLI have a cunning plan, my lord!Wed Dec 05 1990 18:066
    I've heard as 'living high off the hog'.
    
    I'd assumed that it referred to spit-roast hog, in which the best cuts
    of meat are near the top of the back.
    
    Nick
847.2Swine flewSSDEVO::GOLDSTEINWed Dec 05 1990 19:275
    Add my name to those who have never heard of it.  What does it mean?
    I assume it is different from "In a pig's eye!", which means more or
    less "Hell no!"
    
    Bernie
847.3WELMT2::HILLI have a cunning plan, my lord!Thu Dec 06 1990 14:598
    Sorry Bernie,
    
    'Living high off the hog', which may or may not be the same as 'On the
    pig's back' is a disparaging way of saying that a person is leading a
    very enviable life-style.  In fact a live-style which is probably
    beyond their means if they want to sustain it.
    
    Nick
847.4not particularly negativeTLE::RANDALLBonnie Randall SchutzmanThu Dec 06 1990 17:369
    I've never heard of "on the pig's back". 
    
    I've never thought "high on the hog" had any particular negative
    connotations.  It seems to describe a lavish lifestyle or an
    exceptional level of comfort, which can of course be regarded in
    either an approving or a derogatory way depending on whether it's
    one's own lifestyle or the lifestyle of someone else.  
    
    --bonnie
847.5Pig ironySSDEVO::GOLDSTEINThu Dec 06 1990 20:3314
    Re: .3, .4
    
    I have heard the expression "high on the hog."  It's "on the pig's
    back" that's new to me.
    
    I agree with Bonnie that "high on the hog" is not disparaging unless
    one makes an effort to make it so.  In fact, it is not unusual to hear
    people describing themselves as living high on the hog.  I don't think
    it implies necessarily that one is living beyong his means, but merely 
    that one is living well.
    
    So does anyone know what "on the pig's back" means?
    
    Bernie
847.6KAOFS::S_BROOKOriginality = Undetected PlagiarismThu Dec 06 1990 23:179
I believe that it come's from "On a hog's back" which refers to a breed
called a razor back hog and is thus like the more common expression
"on a razor's edge".

There is a short range of hills in southern England that runs from Guildford
to Farnham called the Hog's Back about 12 miles long and is essentially an
   /\  for that whole length with a road running along the top.

Stuart
847.7TKOV51::DIAMONDThis note is illegal tender.Fri Dec 07 1990 02:052
    > "On a hog's back" which refers to a breed
    Especially if it's another hog.
847.8read .0 againMACNAS::SPOMPHRETTFri Dec 07 1990 15:009
    If you folks had READ .0 you would have seen the meaning of the
    expression. It means exactly what the last line in that note says - 
    you are doing well
    you are in luck
    you have cracked whatever problem you had
    ...
    or any other sentence you care to substitute for any of the above.
    
    Sean
847.9KAOFS::S_BROOKOriginality = Undetected PlagiarismFri Dec 07 1990 17:4210
OK Sean,

I admit, I only glanced at .0, and because I use an automated notes reader
I don't have the luxury of going back to earlier notes ... so I replied
to later notes, not the original.

Anyway, the meaning you describe makes sense too given that the way a
pig will squirm around, and given its shape (razor back!)

Stuart
847.10Hog mildSSDEVO::GOLDSTEINFri Dec 07 1990 19:517
    Re: .8
    
    By golly, you're right.  There it is in .0 big as life.  Seek and thee
    shall find.  It is clear at last; "on the pig's back" means in the catbird
    seat.  
    
    Bernie
847.11What about a sheep's back?AUSSIE::TWIGGMon Dec 10 1990 04:3213
	Re: .0


	I don't know about "on a pig's back", but in Australia we use the
	saying "riding on a sheep's back", meaning "onto a good thing".  

	The saying was certainly around in the 1950s, when it was said that 
	the Australian economy was riding on a sheep's back, because sheep
	were our biggest export earner.


	Lynette
847.12847.11 sounds suspiciously like... :-)NEMAIL::KALIKOWDThatsNotPROBLEMsThatsLIFE!Mon Dec 10 1990 13:364
    ... "animal husbandry" to me...
    
        (From the Tom Lehrer song -- "He went to agricultural college and
        majored in ... until they caught him at it one day..." :-)
847.13Self-propelled Bacon BusNEWOA::LOVELL� l'eau; c'est l'heureSun Jan 13 1991 01:0311
.0 was more or less there

I certainly remember from a study of idiomatic English that this expression
came from Ireland and it referred to the times when agricultural folk would
take their wares to market.  If you had a pig, you were generally thought
to be pretty well off 'cos if you didn't sell it for a huge amount at
this week's market, you could at least ride it home.

I always remember having personally doubted the feasibility of an Irishman
remaining stable on a perambulating pig but was always prepared to give this
talented race the benefit of the doubt.