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Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

807.0. "Programs wanted" by SIEVAX::BURGESS () Wed Jun 20 1990 18:41

I am looking for programs that return the ancestry of the given English word(s).

The first would return a list of word/language pairs showing the derivation of
the current word from its roots, preferably all the way back to Indo-European.

The second would unpack an English compound word, listing its Greek and Latin
roots with their meanings.

Any ideas ? If the necessary information is available I would be happy to write
the programs myself.
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807.1Doubt itMARVIN::KNOWLESintentionally Rive GaucheThu Jun 21 1990 15:3032
    I know of no such programs. I doubt very much whether they exist.
    
    The information's available (though often, of necessity, partial); it's
    widely dispersed. I know of no one volume that even begins to amass all
    the necessary information. There is an Oxford Dictionary of English
    Etymology, but all I know about that is it seldom has the information I
    try to find in it.
    
    A problem is that the `information' (especially the most interesting)
    is often speculative [I'm not talking about popular etymology here, I'm
    talking about informed speculation] and - to have any academic
    credibility - it has to be presented by the expert who advances the
    speculation; so getting it into some kind of database would involve a
    huge academic effort to produce a software tool that no one would want
    to buy (NB: Radix malorum est cupiditas - => radical, malaise,
    essential, cupidity [Greek and Latin ones are fairly easy, but English
    words must have hundreds of parents].) A willing amateur couldn't do
    it; it's not just a question of taking a known/reliable/finite corpus
    of data and putting it on line.
    
    Sorry, I don't think there's a good side to this news [except for those
    - particularly academics with a turf to protect/mystify - who wouldn't
    want such a database compiled anyway]. It's one of those attractive
    ideas that just won't come to fruition (NB, incidentally - `fruition'
    has no direct relation with `bearing fruit', besides being derived from
    `frui' - to enjoy; the weight of many years of misapprehension, of
    course, has made the relation - in a way - more direct [tho' only in
    the sense that children clapping their hands keeps fairies alive]).
    
    b
    
    b
807.2True, very trueSIEVAX::BURGESSThu Jun 21 1990 15:366
    You're probably right. Even scanners and OCR software are unlikely to
    change matters much due to copyright issues (otherwise we could simply
    scan the relevant books of opinion and provide access routines).
    
    Fortunately, the Turing test offers a solution if I could only find
    someone who knows their roots ...
807.3ERIS::CALLASTake me back to ConstantinopleThu Jun 21 1990 18:514
    Actually, the new version of the OED (available on compact disk) does
    almost exactly what you want.
    
    	Jon
807.4Except...MARVIN::KNOWLESintentionally Rive GaucheFri Jun 22 1990 16:0512
    that the widely f�ted on-line OED isn't available to punters.  At
    present, it's available only within OUP; there are plans to offer
    it as a service [not to sell it, either on CD or on any other medium].
    I haven't heard of any progress in those plans, but I'm not holding
    my breath.
    
    What may confuse people is that the OED _is_ available in a `Compact'
    _edition_, with all the same words as the full work, photographically
    reduced (I forget the factor - either 4, 9, or 16 to a page). You
    read it with a magnifying glass.
    
    b
807.5what's OUP?TLE::RANDALLliving on another planetFri Jun 22 1990 17:061
    
807.6KAOFS::S_BROOKIt's time for a summertime dreamFri Jun 22 1990 19:145
>                                -< what's OUP? >-

Try Oxford University Press

Stuart
807.7Whoops, excuse my SEAMARVIN::KNOWLESintentionally Rive GaucheMon Jun 25 1990 15:091
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