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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

795.0. "Of Mice and Men?????" by GALVIA::SPAIN (Cagliari Jun 11th. Play it again Ray) Wed May 02 1990 16:44

    
    Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but I can't think of anywhere
    better.
    
    I'd like to know the author of the lines
    
    "The saddest tales of mice and men"
    "What might have been"
    
    Any help would be much appreciated.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Gary.
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795.1Help with the first oneMARVIN::KNOWLESintentionally Rive GaucheWed May 02 1990 17:247
    The `mice and men' one is from Rabbie Burns; the subject of the
    sentence isn't `saddest tales', but I've forgotten what it is -
    I think `schemes' come into it; they `gang aft agley' - which
    is often misrepresented as `oft go astray', not nearly as expressive
    as the original, it seems to me.
    
    b
795.2SHARE::SATOWWed May 02 1990 17:248
My recollection of the exact quote is

	Of all the tales of mice and men
	The saddest are "What might have been"

and my guess for the author is sportswriter Grantland Rice.

Clay
795.3Got itMARVIN::KNOWLESintentionally Rive GaucheWed May 02 1990 18:0910
    Ah remembered: `The best laid plans of mice and men ...'. Some
    sportswriter may well have quoted Burns, maybe unwittingly.
    (How many of us realize that `the powers that be' is a quotation
    from the King James Bible, or that `all Hell broke [?was let] loose'
    comes from Paradise Lost?) Quotations are just part of the language,
    and you can keep tracking them back until kingdom come (that one's
    probably from the Book of Common Prayer).
    
    b
    
795.4Of all the words of tongue or pen...MINAR::BISHOPWed May 02 1990 21:2717
    Your sportswriter has combined various quotes, which I think
    I can give some help on, even if I know I'm not exact on them:
    
    One is: 	"Of all the words of tongue or pen,
    		 the saddest are 'It might have been'"
    
    No memory of the author, sorry.
    
    Another is the Burns ("Ode to a mouse disturbed when plowing"
    or some such, which starts "Wee sleekit timorous cowering beastie..."):
    
    		"...the best-laid plans of mice and men
    		 gang oft agley"
    
    Hope this (and a dictionary of quotations) will answer your question.
    
    			-John Bishop
795.5Writer or Poet?GALVIA::SPAINCagliari Jun 11th. Play it again RayThu May 03 1990 18:079
    
    Thanks guys.  I'll try a dictionary of quotations.  
    
    It may have been a sportswriter who wrote it.  I don't remember where I
    saw it but I thought it was a poet who wrote it.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Gary.
795.6LDYBUG::LAVEYSound of the calm before the stormFri May 04 1990 15:4110
From Bartlett's _Quotations_:

	"The best laid schemes o' mice and men
	Gang aft a-gley."
			-- Robert Burns, _To a Mouse_, st. 7

	"For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
	The saddest are these: 'It might have been!'"
			-- John Greenleaf Whittier, _Maud Muller_, st. 53

795.7TKOV51::DIAMONDThis note is illegal tender.Tue Jul 10 1990 08:272
    The saddest tails of mice:
    those that are caught by men.