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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

779.0. "you just mind your own..." by HPSTEK::LESPERANCE () Fri Feb 23 1990 14:49

    
    
    	I'm rather new to this file and have found it
    
    	to be a very intriguing conference.
    
    	My Question for today as it were,
    
    	is in the expression "...minding my own p's and Q's.."
    
    	What exactly is the P & Q in reference to? if they have no 
    
    	meaning at all then perhaps i've fretted over this for
    
    	29 years for nothing.....
    
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779.1VOGON::BALLSmiley face free zone :-)Fri Feb 23 1990 15:0612
I heard this question asked on a radio phone-in a few years ago.  Various people
rang in with answers with various degrees of plausability.  The two I can 
remember are:

(1) P's and Q's = `please's and `thank you's (say it quickly!)

(2) Printers had to be careful with the `p's and `q's in the days of manual
typesetting - on the blocks reversed left-to-right they look like each other.

There were several other suggestions which I can't remember off hand.

Jon
779.2The printers have itWELMTS::HILLTechnology is my Vorpal swordFri Feb 23 1990 16:4310
    Having worked in the print industry, correction I was employed in
    it, I can confirm the type setting origin of 'minding your ps and
    qs'
    
    (Whilst the rest of the company was on 37.5 hrs/week the DP staff
    was on 32.5, "to reduce the impact of computerisation on the clerical
    staff".  Even so in 12 months I was not expected to do more than
    about 3 man-months of work.)
    
    Nick
779.3Or, the qrinters have it!WELMTS::HILLTechnology is my Vorpal swordFri Feb 23 1990 16:431
    
779.4see note 489GLIVET::RECKARDJon Reckard, 381-0878, ZKO3-2/T63Fri Feb 23 1990 18:580
779.5Beer, Ale, and the Dismal Science.SKIVT::ROGERSDamnadorum MultitudoFri Feb 23 1990 19:0617
Two others - neither of which is probably correct:

	1. I have heard that bar tabs in British pubs are tallied in terms of
	   "p's and q's" as in pints and quarts.  Hence, one minds ones p's 
	   and q's to determine how much one has drunk (or owes, or whatever.)

	2. When I took Microeconomic Analysis (or Price Theory as it used to be 
	   called in the dark ages when I was in college) I was taught that the 
	   entire dismal subject could be summarised in terms of tracing the
	   effect of changes in Price on changes in Quantity (or vice versa).
	   Our professor taught us to "mind our P's and Q's".  (The same guy 
	   told us that if you taught a parrot to say "Supply and Demand",
	   you could get the parrot a job as a teaching assistant in any 
	   economics department in the country.)

Larry Rogers 
BS Economics
779.6TPLAB::KEWTogether in electric dreamsMon Feb 26 1990 13:427
>	1. I have heard that bar tabs in British pubs are tallied in terms of
>	   "p's and q's" as in pints and quarts.  Hence, one minds ones p's 
>	   and q's to determine how much one has drunk (or owes, or whatever.)

A tab is actually illegal in a British pub, so this is unlikely.

Jerry
779.7VOGON::BALLSmiley face free zone :-)Mon Feb 26 1990 19:0523
Re .-1

> A tab is actually illegal in a British pub, so this is unlikely.

This may well be legally true - the landlord wouldn't be a licensed credit 
broker so I don't suppose he could extend credit - but the tab system is in use
in many pubs.  As a regular you can ask for your drink to be put `on the slate'
to be paid for at some indeterminate time in the future when you have plenty of
money.

As a complete rathole, the opposite of this also sometimes happens in British
pubs - if you're buying a round of drinks and someone is not yet ready for 
another drink, you can ask for a pint `in the wood'.  This means you are paying
for a pint while it's still in the barrel and the recipient can ask for it to
be poured later.  This system is fairly obscure but does still happen in some 
pubs (within 5 miles of DECpark, Reading).

Back to the p's and q's - I don't remember going to any British pub that served
beer in quarts.  I may have been to one but I wouldn't have remembered in the
morning...

Jon