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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

548.0. "Copyright or copywrong?" by IJSAPL::ELSENAAR (Home, on a global trip) Sun Aug 07 1988 19:09

When listening to a CD of PDQ Bach one enters that state of total boredom that
Prof Schickele is trying to achieve with PDQ's music, and one starts to read all
lines on the CD box. One? Well, at least one: me. I found this:

  "Unauthorized duplication is a violation of all applicable laws"

When I read it the third time (it is a *lengthy* CD...), it started to look
rather odd. Maybe you can help me with some questions that arise:

1. Can you name an action that is a violation of *not* all applicable laws?
2. When am I violating all *non-applicable* laws?
3. Given the citation above, what can we say if the duplication is *not*
   unauthorized?

I could come up with more questions, I could even come up with some answers, but
I would like your comments on it. I am sure there is a perfectly legal reason to
formulate that sentence exactly as is done, but I can't help finding it funny.

Arie
(PS to prevent confusion: it's on other CDs also...)
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548.1Album oddityCAMONE::MAZURMon Aug 08 1988 18:078
    I once read an albumn cover ( I think it was Elvis Costello ) where
    it said :  "All rights reserved.  All wrongs reversed."  
    
    This does not answer any questions on .0 but the note made me think
    of this.
    
    
    Paul Mazur 
548.2ERIS::CALLASWaiter, there's a bug in my codeTue Aug 09 1988 21:0810
    I think you should send that album to me, Jon Callas, at ZKO3-4/Y02 and
    I'll take care of your problem. Then you should buy some music you find
    a bit more entertaining. 
    
    	Jon
    

    
    Oh, to answer your question -- it's legalese, not English. Don't try to
    make sense out of it, you'll give yourself a headache, silly. -- /.[ 
548.3legalese - is that a competitor of rent-a-law?IJSAPL::ELSENAARHome, on a global tripWed Aug 10 1988 09:3015
RE -1
>    I think you should send that album to me, Jon Callas, at ZKO3-4/Y02 and
>    I'll take care of your problem. Then you should buy some music you find
>    a bit more entertaining. 

Jon,

I went through quite some trouble having this CD from over the pond to my place,
so you don't expect me to send it back at the first person who asks for it, eh?
^-)

But wait: I know a solution! Since you told me it is not English, I can tape it
for you! OK? ^^)

Arie
548.4In lay terms, the explanationSMURF::BINDERA complicated and secret quotidian existenceWed Aug 10 1988 20:3420
"Unauthorized duplication is a violation of all applicable laws."

That's legalese, but it does have a basis in common sense.  There may be 
circumstances under which duplicating copyrighted material without the 
consent of the copyright owner is not a violation of all of the laws 
that have been enacted dealing with copyrights.  For example, it is 
usual to permit, without explicit authorization, the use of short
passages from a novel in a critical review. 

Furthermore, there are provisions in copyright law to allow the
unauthorized copying of copyrighted material for limited nonprofit or
educational use unless explicitly forbidden in a work's copyright
notice.  These provisions usually state that the copyright notice must
appear on such copies. 

The warning message is stating that there are no such provisions in
regard to the contents of the recording medium; any duplication at all
is illegal, period.

- Dick
548.5Copyright period is 100 years after authors deathPASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseFri Aug 12 1988 03:434
    	Copying of copyrighted material for certain purposes (such as
    criticism) is legal in Britain regardless of nasty words on the
    label, full stop ("."). The only limit is what you can persuade
    a court is reasonable.
548.6No officer. That law is not applicable.IJSAPL::ELSENAARHome, on a global tripFri Aug 12 1988 09:3512
RE -2 (Dick)

>that have been enacted dealing with copyrights.  For example, it is 
>usual to permit, without explicit authorization, the use of short
>passages from a novel in a critical review. 

So, if I understand it well, in this case that law is not applicable, right?,
and copying for other reasons still is a violation of all applicable laws,
right? There are only less laws applicable, right? How do I know *what* laws are
applicable? Mommy! Help!

Arie
548.7VISA::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseSat Aug 13 1988 11:066
    	Even worse - the law is applicable, and it is up to court
    interpretation whether a particular extract is "short".
    
    	In this case the copying is forbidden (since the law is applicable)
    but may be legal (if the court so decides). Does anyone know if
    the SYS$ANNOUNCE messages are similar?