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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

487.0. "Fresh" by GOLD::OPPELT (If they can't take a joke, screw 'em!) Tue Mar 01 1988 19:53

    	I have sometimes heard a bratty kid being described as "fresh".
    	(Sometimes I was that bratty kid...)
    
    	What is a "fresh" kid?  (The dictionary says impudent, sassy,
    	bold.)

    	What might be the origin of using "fresh" in this context?
    
    	Joe Oppelt
    
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487.1INK::KALLISA Dhole isn't a political animal.Tue Mar 01 1988 20:5812
    The dictionary also says, probably by folk etymology, from the Germanic
    _Frech_, meaning disdposed to take liberties, or impudent.
    
    A cogitation:  The idea that a youngster can get away with things
    that oldsters can't is that they are "too young" to understand fully
    their actions.  The tenderfoot who commits gaffes is still "wet
    behind the ears," and [thus] doesn't know any better.  Thus, to
    a certain extent, misbehavior can be out of ignorance.  However,
    if the behavior persists, the person can be said to be acting [as
    if he or she were] fresh.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
487.2Don't get fresh with me, young manHOMSIC::DUDEKCall me Dr. BrevityWed Mar 02 1988 16:025
    .1 Doesn't take into account that fresh, as in disposed to take
    liberties, is also used to refer to the dating practices of certain
    men.  (Getting fresh?)
    
    Spd
487.3hiphopCOOKIE::DEVINEBob DevineSat Jun 25 1988 03:597
    "Fresh" and "def" are the current street lingo to mean
    new and good.  The current crop of kids have adapted
    those words to their vocabulary by giving them new
    meanings.
    
    The "cool" and "groovy" of the late 60's / early 70's sound
    very hoary to an ear attuned to the late 1980's (or 1980s ;-).