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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

480.0. "Those snakey s's" by NEXUS::MORGAN (Heaven - a perfectly useless state.) Tue Feb 16 1988 04:05

    Ok, here's your chance to help Mikie? straighten up his act.
    
    I can't remember the rules concerning plurals and possessives, when
    to use a s or an 's. What about nouns that end in s? Do they get
    the 's or the s'?
    
    Any help will be appreciated.
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480.1One individual's opinionDELNI::CANTORDave C.Tue Feb 16 1988 13:3450
      These are the rules I use: 

      Apostrophes for indicating plural
      
      o  Add "'s" to indicate the plural of 
      
         o  symbols and letters used to represent themselves
      
              e.g.  There are 2  2's in this sentence.
                    There are no $'s and no %'s in the previous sentence. 
                    There are six e's in the first sentence.
      
         o  acronyms when used to refer to the acronym itself, rather
            than the object named by the acronym
      
              e.g.  A special interest group (SIG) is a committee
                    of people from organizations such as DECUS.
                    There are two SIGs for computer security and
                    three SIGs for spelling reform.  
                    The previous sentence contains two SIG's.

      o  A common noun, normally used to refer to something other
      than itself, never takes an apostrophe to form a plural.
      
      Apostrophes for indicating possession 

      o  Add "'s" to form the singular possessive of all nouns.
      
      o  Add just an apostrophe to form the possessive of plural nouns
      ending in -s and -x (and some people include -z, too).  
      
      o  Add "'s" to form the possessive of plural nouns ending in
      other letters.
      
      Apostrophes for forming contractions
      
      o  Use an apostrophe to represent each separate group of letters
      omitted in contractions of words and phrases.
      
         e.g.   would not             wouldn't
                would not have        wouldn't've
                I would not have      I'dn't've
      
      Do not use apostrophes
      
          o    to form the plural of common nouns 
          o    to from the singular, present, third person form of
               a verb

      Dave C.
480.2... andZFC::DERAMODaniel V. D'Eramo, AITG, DTN 291-8026Tue Feb 16 1988 18:243
    Another rule is that possessive pronouns never use an apostrophe.
    
    Dan
480.3Singularly plural namesIOSG::CARLINJust discovered /personal=...Wed Feb 17 1988 23:539
    Even though it is covered by the rules in .1 the case that always
    bothers me is
    
    		Paul Simons's cat (belonging to Paul Simons)
    
    because it seems terribly pedantic pronouncing it that way.
    
    					Dick
    
480.4try...DELNI::SILKserving timeThu Feb 18 1988 04:053
    How about Paul Simons' cat? 
    
    Nina
480.5Look around, there's more ...CLARID::PETERSE Unibus PlurumThu Feb 18 1988 13:437
These answers are all far too serious. For a lighter treatment of the same
subject read 438.*

		Steve

P.S. I prefer Dave Barry's explanation (438.5)

480.6ERIS::CALLASI've lost my faith in nihilism.Wed Feb 24 1988 23:386
     re.3,.4:
    
    You can find a reference to support either spelling. Whichever one you
    use, you pronounce it the same way -- whatever sounds best. 
    
    	Jon
480.7more on the apostropheREGENT::EPSTEINBruce EpsteinFri Feb 26 1988 22:249
    Also, contrary to most usage, you do not add an apostrophe to form
    the plural of a proper noun.  That is, John and Mary Smith are the
    Smiths, not the Smith's.
    
    The worst placement of an apostrophe I've seen (it may be in this
    conference already) appeared in a plural ending in "ies", for instance,
    bunnies, which was printed as bunnie's.
    
    Bruce