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444.1 | Sure that was a "V" ? | MLNOIS::HARBIG | | Thu Nov 26 1987 14:59 | 2 |
| It sounds horribly like something to do with the
discovery of an extremely potent laxative :-).
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444.2 | Sure that's a "W"? | COMICS::KEY | Careful with that Vax, Eugene | Mon Nov 30 1987 14:11 | 11 |
| I believe you mean the "Great Vole Shift" of 1403, when twenty thousand
small furry rodents threw themselves over Beachy Head in a single night. The
Pied Piper was implicated but never brought to trial.
On the other hand...
I know nothing, but it sounds interesting. I've often heard it said
that American English sounds more like Medieval English than English
English does (still with me?). I wonder if this is related.
Andy
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444.3 | Ignore my bad jokes I am | MLNOIS::HARBIG | | Mon Nov 30 1987 14:51 | 15 |
| It does sound interesting but I think we need one
of the real language experts to contribute.
Regarding the fact that American English is nearer to
Medieval English than British English I read in "The
State of the Language"(English Observed) [can't remember
the name of the author but he is , I believe, the current
literary editor of the Times] that certain words and
their pronunciation at least in the American English
of the New England States are very definately Elizabethan
English usage which has been conserved there but died
out in the U.K.
One of the words was 'fall' for autumn to which I referred
in a previous note.
Max
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444.4 | shifts | HEART::KNOWLES | Men's sauna in corporation baths | Tue Dec 01 1987 14:40 | 21 |
| > I have heard obscurely of the Great Vowel Shift. I gather it was a
> change in English pronunciation that took place very quickly around
> 1400.
That's about as much as I can remember, but I never studied the
history of English. Whatever I once knew is contained in a book
by somebody Foster, I think: _The_Changing_English_Language.
I don't think anyone has a quick one-line explanation, tho'
I'm sure people who know the details don't find them surprising!
Incidentally, a Malcolm Bradbury novel (_Rates_of_Exchange_)
has a vowel shift in it. A visiting English academic in an
Eastern bloc country wakes up one morning to find that there
has been a bloodless linguistic revolution overnight. No one
can explain it, but there's a suspicion that the reason is
political.
A similar thing happened to sibilants in Castilian a few decades
earlier - equally unexplained.
b
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444.5 | A simplistic answer | WELSWS::MANNION | Rainy City Blues | Thu Dec 03 1987 10:23 | 17 |
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The phrase was coined by Jespersen to describe the phenomenon of
all the highest vowels becoming diphthongs (such as the "i" in machine
becoming the "i" in mice), and other vowels all moving to a
correspondingly higher position.
It accounts for many of the anomalies of English spelling - which
is not something we want to get into again, I feel.
Phillip
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444.6 | Re .5 | PROSE::WAJENBERG | Just a trick of the light. | Thu Dec 03 1987 15:13 | 3 |
| Thank you. Any idea what caused it or how long it took?
Earl Wajenberg
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444.7 | Re .3 | COMICS::DEMORGAN | Richard De Morgan, UK CSC/CS | Tue Dec 08 1987 11:41 | 4 |
| Re .3: Philip Howard used to be the Literary Editor of the Times
- he may still be, but I haven't seen anything from him lately.
Maybe he's on holiday. Confirmation - it is PH, (at least The Times
think so - I phoned them).
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444.8 | Thanks. | MLNOIS::HARBIG | | Thu Dec 10 1987 12:27 | 4 |
| Thank you Richard.
The book is by Philip Howard.
Max
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444.9 | quick! | REGENT::MERRILL | Force yourself to relax! | Thu Dec 17 1987 19:19 | 3 |
| I think the Encyclopedia Britanica says the great vowel shift took
a matter of months! And without TV anchorpersons at that!
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