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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

416.0. "Tempus Fidgits" by ERIS::CALLAS (Strange days, indeed.) Thu Oct 01 1987 14:44

    I found this sentence in a DEC standard on the representation of time:
    
	Rather than wait for international consensus, in this standard we adopt
	the rules of the Gregorian Calendar with the understanding that a
	revision may be required in a couple of thousand years or so. 
        
    How wonderfully diplomatic.
    
    	Jon
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416.1What's 1000 years between friends?MLNOIS::HARBIGFri Oct 02 1987 08:133
               Has anyone been given the HRR yet ?
    
               (Hereditary Revision Responsability)
416.2Tangent #1WELSWS::MANNIONLegendary Lancashire HeroesFri Oct 02 1987 08:525
    A friend of mine goes by the name of Vincenzo Stanley Fojut ( his
    mother's Italian, his  father is Polish), he says that if he ever
    has a son he'll call him Tempus.
    
    Phillip
416.3t0IPG::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKFri Oct 02 1987 09:064
    Any calendar experts know why 17-Nov-1858 was chosen as VMS's
    zero date?
    
    Jeff.
416.4Am I confused?DSSDEV::STONERoyFri Oct 02 1987 10:578
    According to my reference (VAX-11 Run-Time Library Language Support
    Reference Manual, Sect. 5.3.1) the DATE$ function:
    
    "...returns the date corresponding to day number n, where n is the
    day of the year (1 to 365 or 366) plus the number of years since
    00-JAN-1970 * 1000."

    How did you arrive at 17-NOV-1858?
416.5Beginning of real recordsMINAR::BISHOPFri Oct 02 1987 11:561
    It's the date of the first astronomical photograph.
416.6MLNOIS::HARBIGFri Oct 02 1987 12:121
    When I switch on Monday mornings I feel like it's my date of birth.
416.7From the horse's mouthLYMPH::LAMBERTBMW: Best Motorcycle in the WorldFri Oct 02 1987 12:3820
re: < Note 416.4 by DSSDEV::STONE "Roy" >
>                              -< Am I confused? >-

   Yes, I'm afraid you are.  :-)  

   I don't have a copy of the manual you mention, but I believe the DATE$
   function is based on the BASIC DATE$ function, which indeed uses
   00-JAN-1970 as it's base date.  (If I remember correctly, RSTS/E uses
   that as it's base date, too.)
   
   Most other date oriented functions in VMS use 17-NOV-1858 as the base
   date.  I quote from the VAX/VMS System Services Reference Manual (VMS V4.2), 
   VAX/VMS System Services Reference Manual, p. 9-2:

        VAX/VMS maintains the current date and time in 64-bit format.  The
        time value is a binary number in 100-nanosecond units offset from
        the system base date and time, which is 00:00 o'clock, 17-Nov-1858
        (the Smithsonian base date and time for the astronomical calendar). 

   -- Sam
416.8Pointers to other conferencesDELNI::CANTORDave C.Fri Oct 30 1987 00:128
      Re .3
      
      See note 549 in the Hacker conference
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      Dave C.