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Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

337.0. " fishskin words" by MLCSSE::CIUFFINI (Personal name SET HIDDEN) Mon Mar 23 1987 12:40

    
    
    
     Having read all of this notesfile ( What a Pun-ishment !) and having
     no memory of this topic, I was wondering.....
    
     My son has discovered that not only can he play recorder music
     from that written on the teacher's sheet but can write his own
     tunes.    Having started to put together A, G, E and realizing
     that it also formed the word 'age' he began to wonder what other
     words could be formed with the scale. ( So, did I. )

     Has anyone ( Perhaps Eric O ? ) generated such a listing?
     Thanks!
     jc
     p.s. And, for the joyoflexers.... What word contains the letters
          'fgh' in that order ?
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337.1here's oneMYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiMon Mar 23 1987 13:0511
  >     p.s. And, for the joyoflexers.... What word contains the letters
  >          'fgh' in that order ?

  Foghorn.  And many others.

  While joyoflex regulars will probably accuse me of nitpicking, in fact 
  I just wanted to answer one of these before the rules change and the
  problem gets too hard for the likes of me...

  JP
337.2MLCSSE::CIUFFINIPersonal name SET HIDDENMon Mar 23 1987 16:216
 
      re -1.

      Close but no cigar. 'fgh' in that order.
      Not f.g.h. ( where '.' is one or more characters.)  
      jc      
337.3wordhoundECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Mar 23 1987 16:353
    What about Afghan?  Pretty obvious, if proper names are allowed.
    
    Jeff.
337.4MLCSSE::CIUFFINIPersonal name SET HIDDENMon Mar 23 1987 17:104
          
          Re -1.
          The cigar is yours. ( And, proper names are not necessary.)
          jc
337.5DECWET::SHUSTERPracticing VAXistentialistMon Mar 23 1987 18:354
    I think it was Max Reger (or perhaps some other Bachophile) who
    wrote a theme based on three notes, B, A, and C#, the sharp sign forming
    the H.
    
337.6Thanks for cigar, but ..ECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKTue Mar 24 1987 06:465
    Too late!  I stopped smoking 3 weeks ago.
    
    Jeff.
    
    PS: Wouldn't Afghan be classified as a "proper name"?
337.7B*A*C*HSTUBBI::B_REINKEthe fire and the rose are oneTue Mar 24 1987 07:253
    Bach himself wrote music based on the "four notes" of his
    name. The H stands for a separate note in German - can anyone remember
    which one? (I have temporary aphasia this morning.) 
337.8Music, mysticism, and associationDRAGON::MCVAYPete McVay, VRO TelecomTue Mar 24 1987 08:5023
    As I recall, the scale used for inventions on BACH's name was modulo:
    that is, A-G was used, and then it started over.  Therefore, "H"
    would be "A" one octave higher.
    
    Brahms and Mendohlssohn (sp?) also wrote compositions on Bach's
    name.
    
    In the Middle Ages, modes were used instead of scales.  Modes are
    similar to scales in that people recognized that certain sequences
    of notes seemed to go together and give certain "feelings" to the
    music--for example, major and minor keys.  In the best tradition
    of Medieval thought, modes were given all sorts of attributes (anger,
    calm, blessedness, joy, etc.).  Many compositions were written based
    on tying modes and notes together in mystical sequences; certain
    compositions were supposed to be direct "translations" of sacred
    text (not necessarily Biblical) into musical form.  Music was
    considered to rule the universe, the "harmony of the spheres" was
    taken literally, since it could be mathematically shown that the
    musical scale corresponded directly to the calculation of planetary
    orbits.  Certain forms were forbidden as being evil, such as the
    "devil's interval" (parallel fourths, in modern notation).  Palestrina,
    Machaut, and Gabrielli, among others, all wrote music employing
    these mystical forms and associations.
337.9afghans keep us warmPSTJTT::TABERDie again, Mortimer! Die again!Tue Mar 24 1987 08:526
    
>    PS: Wouldn't Afghan be classified as a "proper name"?

Not here in the US.  If you made the "A" lower-case, you would be 
talking about a knitted blanket.
					>>>==>PStJTT
337.10B-flatBMT::BOWERSDave BowersTue Mar 24 1987 09:482
    I think the German note H is actually  B-flat.  I know this doesn't
    make sense, but since when do things need always to make sense?
337.11ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeTue Mar 24 1987 11:259
    Yes, H is B-flat. 
    
    Bach's BACH fugue (in the Art of Fugue) is unfinished <insert Twilight
    Zone music here>.
    
    Maybe Eric Osman can give us a list of all the words in his dictionary
    that have only letters A-G and another list with H thrown in. 
    
    	Jon 
337.12DECWET::SHUSTERPracticing VAXistentialistTue Mar 24 1987 14:043
    I think I was wrong about the sharp sign, then, if H is B-flat.
    I should Bach my statements up.
    
337.13Musical Question DigressionPHUBAR::WELLSEh?Tue Mar 24 1987 14:1111
    Actually, my memory is that H is a B *natural* and B is a B-flat
    in German.  I believe that the spoken notes of the scale (I don't
    think they refer to n-flat or q-sharp, i.e. there is not a
    modify-this-note-in-one-direction-or-the-other suffix) are
    
    	C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A B H
    
    This would make sense, since then one doesn't form vowel-is constructions
    (F = Eis, B = Ais).
    
    Richard
337.14You may be Bach, but...TELCOM::MCVAYPete McVay, VRO TelecomTue Mar 24 1987 15:451
    ...what happend to all the Haydn-seekers?
337.15COMET1::STEWARTTue Mar 24 1987 16:1214
    It seems to me that I heard, many years ago, that the german
    musical alphabet was based on A thru G for the natural notes
    and then continuing with H thru K to pick up the accidentals
    starting at A-sharp, or B-flat as it is more commonly referred
    to.
    
    The words created from the scale of A thru G are limited to
    only two vowels which could make the list a short one.  If
    the above supposed german musical alphabet is used then there
    is an additional vowel (I).  By using that alphabet logical 
    words could then be turned into musical phrases using a chromatic 
    scale rather than being restricted to the diatonic scale.
    
    =ken
337.16BAEDEV::RECKARDWed Mar 25 1987 06:392
Re .14  Haydn-seekers would have replied by now but their keyboards are
        Baroquen.
337.17I refuse to join in this silly gameECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKWed Mar 25 1987 11:441
    Re .16  Handel's come off, huh?
337.18..how quickly these notes degenerate...DECWET::SHUSTERPracticing VAXistentialistWed Mar 25 1987 12:546
    re .16
    
    Relax.  Drink some hot Rococo.  And go out and get yourself a
    four-season terminal, one that comes Vivaldi bells and whistles.
    
    
337.19Faure's a jolly good fellow....IOSG::DUTTWed Mar 25 1987 14:072
    When my keyboard broke, I Borodin other one.......
     
337.20INK::KALLISHallowe&#039;en should be legal holidayWed Mar 25 1987 14:148
    Re above:
    
    "Drinking in" all this Bartok, Ives gotta say, "Gersh, win or lose,
    if in this rare Gliere you cant Cope, land; get on Debussey -- and
    Tallis no more."
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
337.21anyone know more about this ?VIDEO::OSMANEric, dtn 223-6664, weight 146Wed Mar 25 1987 14:561
    I hope that new keyboard had a Dvorak arrangement!
337.22here they are, now YOU make sentences !VIDEO::OSMANEric, dtn 223-6664, weight 146Wed Mar 25 1987 14:5712
    Here are all the words that can be made with a through g, plus some
    	non-words too.  /Eric
    
    a,aa,abaca,aba,baa,baba,cabbaged,cabbage,bacca,baccae,baggage,acad,facade
dada,adage,gaga,ab,ba,babe,bac,cab,abd,bad,dab,abed,bade,bead,badge,bag,gab
ac,ca,acc,acceded,accede,ceca,cad,decade,cade,dace,deface,effaced,cadge,ace
efface,cafe,face,cage,geac,fac,ad,da,add,dad,gadded,dead,faded,deaf,fade,aged
egad,fad,daff,dag,gad,ae,ea,gaffe,age,gage,af,fa,aff,gaff,fag,ga,gag,b,ebb
beebee,cb,bd,db,bedded,bed,deb,be,bee,beef,bef,beg,bf,bg,c,cc,cd,decd,ceded
dec,cede,ce,cee,fec,cf,cg,d,dd,dded,ded,deed,edged,dged,de,ed,dee,feed,edge,def
fed,deg,ged,dg,gd,e,ee,fee,gee,ef,fe,eff,ffe,ge,egg,f,ff,g,gg
    
337.23OsmanosisECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKThu Mar 26 1987 07:416
    Re: .21  (Dvorak keyboard).  I don't think the Mr. Dvorak who invented
    that keyboard is the same Mr. Dvorak who wrote the New World Symphony.
    
    (There were two?)
    
    Jeff.
337.24Verdi heck did I leave my dictionary?IOSG::DUTTThu Mar 26 1987 07:494
    Re .22
    
    Hey, that was a good Chopin Liszt!
    
337.25More (plagiarized) a-g wordsBAEDEV::RECKARDThu Mar 26 1987 12:0010
    Re: .22

    You included _some_ past-tense-type words, but here are some more:

    aced,added,bagged,beaded,beefed,begged,cadged,caged,dabbed,deeded,defaced,
    ebbed,egged,faced,fagged,gabbed,gagged

    This, of course, brings up the question - what is the longest?  It seems
    your "cabbaged" (a rather robust dictionary yours) is, so far, unless
    someone can add a few more pre- and/or suf-fixes somewhere.
337.26... thanks ! ... MLCSSE::CIUFFINIPersonal name SET HIDDENThu Mar 26 1987 12:2428
    

Eric, 

  I thank you, my son thanks you and probably his music teacher will want
  to thank you.... ( and I must say, considering how attractive she is, I
  would certainly be the first to offer to 'stand-in' for you to receive
  those thanks! :-))

  Upon consideration of the various replies, I have considered renaming 
  the note title to puntatonic scales...... and further am reminded that
  when you note, you always take the risk of a certain amount of Debussey. :-)
  Thanks again!
jc
 p.s. Yes, some of the words could be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-ed with the suffixing
      of 'ed'. My favorite however is to add a palindromic de|ed to badge
      for debadged...( as in when you leave Digital and you must surrender
      your badge.) (( That opens up 'debagged' - the exact interpretation
      is left to the reader. However, I'm thinking about taking the
      chicken out of the clear wrapper that it is wrapped in in the
      suppermarket. ))
      How about hyphenated words? Would cabbage-bed be acceptable? Or,
      face-bedded ? [a masonry term] ...   
    
    
    
    
337.27digressionDECWET::SHUSTERPracticing VAXistentialistThu Mar 26 1987 14:234
    "Hey, man, what's on the radio?  Is rock on?"
    
    "Rachmaninoff."
    
337.28Cabbage emptor?ERASER::KALLISHallowe&#039;en should be legal holidayThu Mar 26 1987 15:507
    Re .25:
    
    How about "decabbaged" as an entry?  If someone cabbaged me, I'd
    want to know what to do about it. ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
337.29ARMORY::CHARBONNDFri Mar 27 1987 10:101
    If someone cabbaged me I'd slawter him.
337.30oh yeah?PSTJTT::TABERDie again, Mortimer! Die again!Fri Mar 27 1987 12:522
That's a pretty cole attitude

337.31MLCSSE::CIUFFINIPersonal name SET HIDDENFri Mar 27 1987 13:002
    ... Looks like he's enjoying one of his salad days....
    jc
337.32BAEDEV::RECKARDFri Mar 27 1987 16:322
    This discussion ought to be tossed.  It's beginning to smell like a
    skunk (cabbage).
337.33MLCSSE::CIUFFINIPersonal name SET HIDDENFri Mar 27 1987 16:423
         And I raccoon you're right.
         jc
337.34RE: Last fewDECWET::MITCHELLFri Mar 27 1987 19:151
    Why can't you punsters just lettuce alone?
337.35RE: .33DECWET::MITCHELLFri Mar 27 1987 19:162
    When I see replies like yours, I just possum by!
    
337.36has it to do with scales?ECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Mar 30 1987 08:361
    Somebody tell me what a fishskin word is?
337.37DECWET::SHUSTERPracticing VAXistentialistMon Mar 30 1987 14:552
    Every Good Boy Does Fish.
    
337.38ECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKTue Mar 31 1987 11:342
    Ah! When I learnt piano it was "Every Good Boy Deserves Fruit",
    though I guess that's a bit ambiguous these days.  FACE was easier.
337.39DECWET::MITCHELLTue Mar 31 1987 21:257
    RE: .38 
    
    I learned it as "Every Good Boy Does Find."  I always used to wonder
    what it was they found.
    
    
    John M.
337.40sounds the sameSTUBBI::B_REINKEthe fire and the rose are oneTue Mar 31 1987 23:355
    No, John, you misheard :-) it is every good boy does fine.
                                                         ^^^^
    Then all you have to ask is what is that that he does...
    
    Bonnie
337.41INK::KALLISHallowe&#039;en should be legal holidayWed Apr 01 1987 10:179
    Re .39:
    
    Maybe is _is_ "find" after all.  Only good judges do fine.
    
    If it's "find," then maybe there's a silent "himself." :-)
    
    Don't ask "where?" ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
337.42Roy G. BivBEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Apr 01 1987 21:075
    I thought it was "Oh, be a nice girl, kiss me." (since changed to "gal"
    or "guy").  Or maybe it was "Kings play chess on fine-grained sand.". 
    
    
    				-- edp
337.43Why Does Earth Eternally Mar Jupiter's whatever-it-is24799::OSMANtype video::user$7:[osman]eric.sixThu Apr 02 1987 11:4413
Sorry to be contrary, but it's:





		Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge


Honest.


/Eric
337.44Moody BluesBISTRO::TIMMERRien Timmer, Valbonne.Thu Apr 02 1987 18:292
    	Every Good Boy Deserves Favour...
    
337.45ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeFri Apr 03 1987 17:584
    EDP, it's "Oh be a *fine* girl/guy, kiss me now, sweetheart," but
    hardly anyone cares about N and S stars these days.
    
    	Jon 
337.46MYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiMon Apr 06 1987 10:036
Re: .45

...and isn't it "right now, sweetheart?"  No one cares about R stars either...

JP
337.47Does anyone have a reference?ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeMon Apr 06 1987 14:583
    Gee, I don't know. I learned it like in .45.
    
    	Jon
337.48Oh be a fine ...ECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Apr 13 1987 08:582
    A great mnemonic, but I've forgotten what it's supposed to remind
    me of ...  Anyone give me a clue?
337.49starsMYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiMon Apr 13 1987 10:036
  Stellar spectral types.  "O"s are blue, hot, and short-lived.  "M"s are
  red and cool.  I think that O through M are on the "main sequence" of
  spectral types while R, N, and S stars are not.

  JP
337.50*blush*ECLAIR::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Apr 13 1987 11:241
    Astronomy was my hobby-before-last.  Now I remember!
337.51An wayward wind...MARRHQ::MALLONEEBatches? We don&#039;t need no stinking batches!Tue May 12 1987 13:372
    And oh, yes...  What about SHARKskin words?  I suppose you all are
    avoiding THAT subject (as well you should).