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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

191.0. "Counterpart of "namesake" ?" by SUPER::MATTHEWS (Don't panic) Thu May 29 1986 15:19

    Is there an English word for a person or thing after whom something
    is named?
    
    In other words, if I were my grandmother's namesake (which I'm not,
    but if I were), then my grandmother would be my...  what??

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191.12730::PARODIJohn H. ParodiThu May 29 1986 15:288
  If you were named after your grandmother, I think she might be your
  eponym.  The dictionary definition seems to lean toward "thing" rather
  than "person" after which something is named, though.

  JP


191.2Try a Different DictionaryNERSW5::MCKENDRYBig JohnThu May 29 1986 17:128
    Well, MY dictionary (New Century) states quite explicitly that an
    eponym is a person from whom a tribe, place, institution, etc. takes
    it name. That's how I remember it from school, too. The only examples
    I can remember right offhand are the Hesperides (descendants of
    Hesperus) and Atrides (descendants of Atreus). I think "eponym"
    is exactly the word you need.
    
    -John
191.3Namesake?ERIS::CALLASJon CallasFri May 30 1986 12:154
    There's always "namesake." I was reading Sayers a couple days ago, and
    Lord Peter Wimsey mutters something about his namesake, the Apostle. 
    
    	Jon
191.4Hedging My BetNERSW5::MCKENDRYBig JohnFri May 30 1986 13:4710
    The New Century says "namesake, n. One having the same name as
    another; esp., one named after another..." So I guess it fits,
    although my first reaction was that Lord Peter was having a little
    joke.
    Having given some further thought to what I said in .2, I think
    "eponym" may not be right unless you are a tribe or institution,
    not an individual. The New Century doesn't give any quotations for
    "eponym". I'll check the OED when I get home, if I remember.
    
    -John
191.5I'm Enjoying ThisNERSW5::MCKENDRYBig JohnFri May 30 1986 20:1910
    A quick perusal of the OED reveals no precedent for "eponym"
    as name-giver to an individual, but yields the appealing "cognominal"
    for someone with the same name, albeit conveying no sense of
    antecedence. "Namesake" seems to be your best bet for a single
    word, but I like "forebear and cognominal". 
    I also checked Fowler's. He gives a nice list of eponymous names.
    "Derrick" is the name of a 17th-century hangman.
    
    -John
  
191.6"Namesake" is commutativeERIS::CALLASJon CallasSun Jun 01 1986 18:204
    I, too, checked the OED, and it gives examples of "namesake"'s use
    in both directions.
    
    	Jon
191.7Bravo the OEDVOGON::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Jun 02 1986 10:194
    I always use 'namesake' to mean 'having the same name'.
    
    Jeff.