Conference thebay::joyoflex

Personally, I myself believe that the Department of Redundacy should 
immediately be abolished right now, I think.

    
    
    	But if, as it were and so to speak, the whole question or premise
    	were abolished, if not done away with, totally,completely and
    	irrevocably, then what would politicians have to say?
    
    

    This topic is superflously redundant, and repetitive too.

      Not only that, but it keeps re-saying the same things over
      again.
      
      Dave C.
      (Recorded and transcribed)

    Therefore, all noters should cease and desist discussing this subject.
    

    
    re; -.1
    
    Why and what for?
    
    - chuck
    

        Re: .6 -- Why not?
        
        Tom

    Excuse me, I missed the beginning of this discussion.  Would you
    all please repeat what you said?

    I want each and every one of you to know that, personally, I find
    this note highly superfluous.

but to the point....

	TTL Logic
	RAM Memory
	IRA Account
	Please RSVP
	Roast Beef with au jus
	any third announcer for a sporting event

- tom]

    On the radio news this morning it was reported that the recent problem
    at the Los Angeles Public Library was an "arson fire."

I remember reading several years ago that "...sacharine has been shown to 
cause cancer of the uterus in *female* rats."  I'm glad that those male rats 
didn't get it...

    Actually, there's a technical reason for that rat limit.  You
    cannot use rats of mixed sexes, because then you get pregnant rats,
    and pregnant rats don't have cancer.  They can't get it, and cancers
    they have go away.
    
    And, although I was never told this, I suspect female rats are
    just a tad easier to handle, at least without any little ratlings
    to protect.
    
    							Ann B.

< Note 170.17 by GRDIAN::BROOMHEAD "Ann A. Broomhead" >
And ther's another technical reason why male rats don't get cancer of the 
uterus...

    I actually saw the following sign on a truck in Cambridge:
    
    
    		WATERPROOF ROOFING
    
    /Eric

    O-rings.

    After one breaks it doesn't ring at all!

re .22:   Please, no shuttle jokes !



re .23:	Excuse me, does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell ?


/e

    RE: .24
    
    I'm drooling for more of your jokes.

    Re: .25
    
    NO SALIVATION ARMY??? What's going to happen to Sandy Claws?
    
    But then, he was sort of a dingaling anyway, I suppose.

    C'mon, now, let's have the true facts.

This morning, the newscaster felt obliged, or did his writer, to qualify
the word "accident" and refer to it as an


		"unfortunate accident".


/e

    re .29
    
    If your rich aunt died and left you mucho $$$$$, mightn't that be
    a "fortunate accident"?
    
    If you had a flat tire, and this gorgeous blonde stopped to help
    you fix it and give you other sustenance, mightn't that also be
    a "fortunate accident"?
                           
    I think you are picking too many nits.
    
    -bs

    Re: .29
    
    Have not many of our more important discoveries been made purely
    by accident?  My dictionary has a definition for accident as meaning
    "Fortune or chance."  I hope we all have _good_ fortune from time
    to time.
    
    "May Dame Fortune smile upon you and that you never meet her 
    daughter, Miss Fortune."   -Author unknown. 

    Was it a fortunate accident the day I stumbled onto this notes file?

    Speaking of "unfortunate accidents" (Eric's .29 was), I was always
    puzzled by the use of "accident" at all.  I doubt that someone would
    drive head-on into a utility pole on purpose!

    re .32: 
    
    Only you can say if it was good fortune or bad...

    Some redundant business signs:
    
    
    
    		Ears Pierced while you wait !
    
    
    
    		Tatoos made while you wait !

    Re: .17 (rats and uteri)
    
    Most likely species for the research? Rattus Rattus (common rat).
    Would it be appropriate, thus, to call certain persons Homo Homo?
    Or insapiens sapiens?

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Consider Torpenhow Hill in Wales.  Tor, Pen, How and Hill have all meant
the same thing at different times.
				/AHM

My co-instructor on a recent course was giving instructions to the 
class about an activity which we were about to conduct. At one point, 
she said
	"...we will hear these examples aurally..."

    
        Its Deja Vu all over again.
    

                                      (...hope I spelled it right)
    

    Re: .39  Well, almost - it's d�j� vu.
    
    Jeff.

    On a recent PBS tribute to Spencer Tracy, Richard Widmark said that
    Tracy achieved that style that all actors try to strive for.
    
    Bernie

On the back of a permit issued by the State of Massachusetts:

	"Issued for the use of holder named hereon.  Use or possession
	 except as prescribed by law is unlawful."

						>>>==>PStJTT

This may not be the right note for this, but `Redundancy' is the closest I can 
get.

I am looking at a Digital insurance check in the amount of 

	********EXACTLY EIGHTY DOLLARS AND 00 CENTS********

Can anybody explain why `exactly' is needed?  It can't be as filler or to keep 
someone from trying to insert, for example, `ONE THOUSAND AND' before 
`EIGHTY' -- the asterisks do a perfectly fine job of that.

I think the next time I pay bills, I will write a check for 

	Approximately Eighty dollars and 00 cents

and see what happens.

Clay

I had thought that "exactly" was used for exact dollar amounts, and that one
left off the "and xx cents" part when "exactly" was used.  I have since seen it
used for checks with nonzero cents amounts.

I used to work for a software firm that had a check-wording library routine
that wrote things like:

	FIFTEEN DOLLARS AND 33/100 CENTS

I eventually impressed on them that 33/100 cents is an insignificant amount of
money, and not at all what they meant.

						Brian

re .45

The word 'exactly' is redundant, but it isn't incorrect.   

Want to get a personal call from your banker?  Next time you need to
write a check for an amount with 50 cents, write it normally in the
figures block, but write the words like "Eighty-three and one-half
dollars."   They hate when that happens.

Dave C.

re: .47

>                   -< I'll put in exactly two cents' worth. >-

Don't you mean 1/50 of a dollar?

>Want to get a personal call from your banker?  Next time you need to
>write a check for an amount with 50 cents, write it normally in the
>figures block, but write the words like "Eighty-three and one-half
>dollars."   They hate when that happens.

I once worked with a woman who was so precise she was difficult to work 
with.  I once saw a check she wrote for "Twenty-three and 1/5 dollars".

She musta been having an affair with her banker.

Clay

    
    If you really want to aggravate the bank, try writing a check for
    
    "Twenty-seven and one-third dollars"
    
    - snopes
    

    But there's a good reason for saying "exactly" xx/100 dollars:
    
    Banks truncate to the nearest full cent when they calculate
    amounts.  So if your account earns $7.57778 in a quarter, you get
    credited with $7.57 and the bank gets to keep the .00778. And
    while a few hundredths of a cent won't make diddly-squat
    difference in my bank account, a bank can make millions of extra
    dollars over the course of the year by keeping the spare change. 
    These amounts also come up from things like inexact fractions,
    computing interest, datatype conversions, etc..
    
    If the check says "exactly" some amount, the account holder gets
    to keep the extra fractions; otherwise, the bank gets to take it.  
    Publisher's Clearinghouse probably saves themselves thousands of
    dollars a year by paying out exact amounts.
    
    One of the benefits of the modern era is that bank computer
    programmers can embezzle by setting up bogus accounts and
    diverting the conversion and truncation amounts there in the error
    handling routines.  It won't show up anywhere until the amounts
    get large enough that the bank notices that some of its own take
    is missing.
    
    --bonnie

    
    > If the check says "exactly" some amount, the account holder gets
    > to keep the extra fractions; otherwise, the bank gets to take it.  
    
    I don't get it.  If I write a check for "One and 28/100 dollars",
    there are no extra fractions involved.  Once deposited, the check
    may earn interest which extends beyond two decimal points, but I
    don't see what that has to do with issuing/cashing the check.
    
    - snopes
    
    

    Furthermore, if I cash a cheque for "One and 28/100 dollars",
    I don't get my fractions of a yen.  In fact, even if I cash a
    cheque for "exactly ten dollars", I don't get my fractions of
    a yen (unless the exchange rate happens to be xxx.x0 on that
    day).
    
    Thanks to the new tax last year, the one-yen coin is now dundant.
    Well,... it wasn't entirely redundant before, but it was almost
    redundant.  (There, I did it; is that like being almost unique?)

    ......
    
    If error correcting codes are redundant, are error codes dundant?
    
    If you are notified a second time that your loan payments are
    behind, is the second letter redundant?
    
    If you have a C++ compiler, your old compiler is a redundanC?
    
    ......
    
    Irregardless of the usual inaccuracy of English signs in Japan,
    the signs for geographic locations tend to be rather accurate.
    Well, they're simple enough, so they're hard to get wrong.
    But they usually incorporate redundancies.  For example, the
    Japanese name for a street, Meiji Dori, is transcribed as
    Meiji Dori Avenue.  Dori means Avenue.  And a river, Kamogawa,
    becomes Kamogawa River.  Kawa (pronounced gawa in a compound)
    means River.
    
    Well, the States has them too.  La Brea Tar Pits.  Anyone unable
    to guess what La Brea means?

    > Well, the States has them too.  La Brea Tar Pits.  Anyone unable
    > to guess what La Brea means?
    
    La Brea == the tar
    
    Boulder, Colorado has a road called "Table Mesa".
    
    There's a (apocryphal?) story about a surveyor who wanted to
    find out what the locals called a certain creek.  The overwhelming
    response was "the crick", so he called it "The Crick Creek".

I heard on the news this morning that a law had been passed in San Francisco 
regulating the usage of VDT Terminals.

Last week I heard that Bush and Gorbachev would sign the latest START Treaty 
at their summit early next year.

Larry

The translation of "boat" is included in the German "U-word" from which the 
term comes, isn't it?

Clay

    mentioned in some linguistics text...  It was located at some strategic
    crossroads...  Its name was something like "Fort w x y z" where w x y z
    were tokens meaning "fort" in French, Arabic, Swahili, etc., because
    every time the soon-to-be-victorious army appears over the surrounding
    ridges, they ask the natives what its name is...  The rest is
    history...

    From a review of GOURMET magazine's 50th anniversary issue:
    
    ... "If you're a fan of the _haute fuss_ fare served at what Calvin
    Trillin generically calls La Maison de la Casa House, this is just the
    thing for you."

    WRT Note 1078.*:  Perfect!
    
    					andrew

    	One of my pet hates is "PIN number", as used with your credit or
    debit card.
    
    	While reading back through this string and the entries on writing
    cheques I was reminded of my grandfather. When I was born he apparently
    took a decision that three guineas was the correct amount for a
    birthday present, and would write a cheque for that amount. When I was
    in my mid teens the banks started to dislike cheques written in
    guineas, so he was persuaded to write "Three pounds and three
    shillings". In my late twenties Britain converted to a decimal currency
    system, and he was forced to change again to write "Three pounds and
    fifteen pence". He never varied the amount, though.  I hate to think
    what might have happened if the original amount he decided upon had not
    had an exact conversion into the new decimal currency 
    (12 old pence (one shilling) = 5 new pence).

    (it only works if you've a particularly literal understanding of
    con_text_ - which _defines_ a quotation as `that which is taken out
    of its context')
    
    b

    One uses his PIN number in an ATM machine, of course.
    
    ed

    ...and then gives his VIN number and his SSN number to the nice officer
    who pulls him over for speeding on the way to the RCC church.

    Quoted in the Globe this weekend, an official of the Town of Belmont,
    who said, " The consensus, if not the general opinion, is to spend
    the windfall on-----"

    It's 21 December 1993, and I'm reading this string...
    
    When I read 170.28 by CLOSET::DEVRIES what do I get from Notes>
    
    Notes> Note 170.28 is being written
    
    Come on, you can't really need 6 years to write a reply??  Can you?
    
    Nick

    Well, it certainly would appear that when it's finally done, it *will*
    be majorly redundant, at least.
    

    ... the rivers in the UK called the River Avon?
    
    Avon = river

    Recent weather reports have made predictions such as "a minimum of a
    foot of snow or more."  At least this is more informative than some of
    last week's reports, which predicted "up to 6 inches or more."
    
Lew Lasher

    
    About 150 feet outside the ZK2 lobby is the following sign:
    
    
                      Designated
                       Smoking
                        Area
    
    JP