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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

149.0. "Oxymoron!!!" by VIRTUE::LARRY_M () Fri Feb 28 1986 16:28

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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149.1I won't say anthing.PIPER::REILLYFri Feb 28 1986 20:124
    I have heard that the OPS5 Release document includes a chapter titled
    "Undocumented Features."
    
    
149.2Moronic OxVOGON::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Mar 03 1986 08:2410
    Re: .0  I believe this is/was a favourite device used by IBM in
    their manuals to maintain the left-right 'pageness', or to reserve
    space for inserts.
    
    Some other company copied them in a manual I saw, but got it slightly
    wrong:
    
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    Jeff.
149.3GLAUBE MIR...CANYON::MOELLERWed Mar 12 1986 13:054
    
    
    'Undocumented Features' is a euphemism for BUGS.
    
149.4Wrong!EVER11::EKLOFThere's no government like anarchy!Thu Mar 13 1986 12:369
>    'Undocumented Features' is a euphemism for BUGS.
    
	It is nothing of the sort.  If one has a utility that works properly
in every documented case, then that utility has no bugs.  If it additionally
does something useful when given input other than from the documented range
of acceptable input, then that function is an undocumented feature.

Mark

149.5tech writers don't get no respectDELNI::GOLDSTEINFred @226-7388Thu Mar 13 1986 17:1910
    -.1 is quibbling.  In general, if a program behaves exactly as
    it's documented to, dumb or not, it's bug-free.  If it does something
    "better" than but not predictable from the documentation (I don't
    mean a proper superset), it's got a bug.  
    
    "Undocumented features" may exist if the program is a proper superset
    of the documentation, but not if any of the documented function
    is modified.  That really splits "undocumented feature" into two
    categories:  "Hidden" features, which are undocumented on purpose,
    and "bugs", which are undocumented by accident.
149.6SERF::POWERSFri Mar 14 1986 09:179
Guys, lighten up and look at the title of the Topic.
We've got a chapter in a book about things that aren't in the book...
Doesn't that sound oxymoronish to you?

- tom]

PS: but to get into the fray anyway, "undocumented features"
need not be bugs;  they might have been put in on purpose, as 
"midnight extensions"
149.7dsakjhreu23498 == "delete [000000...]*.*.*"JOET::JOETJoe TomkowitzWed Mar 19 1986 10:245
    Wouldn't an undocumented feature be considered a bug since, for
    example, upon the invocation of said feature, one would expect
    an error message rather than an unexpected action?     
    
    -joet
149.8Return of the Oxymoron!APTECH::RSTONEWed Mar 19 1986 15:443
    Back to the topic....how about:
    
        "A double negative is a no-no!"
149.9Don't wanna work 'to' hardCANYON::MOELLERFri Mar 28 1986 14:415
    
    
    "As I've repeatedly reiterated...."
    
    
149.10obstructed viewSIERRA::OSMANand silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feepTue Apr 01 1986 17:357
    It's not clear whether I should use note 118 or 149, but here goes:
    
    	The radio announcer explained that Celtics Basketball Playoff
    	tickets are still available, but the only seats left are ones
    	with an "obstructed view".
    
    /Eric
149.11$$EUCLID::MCKINLEYThu May 08 1986 11:051
                             Free Kittens
149.12??VOGON::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKFri May 09 1986 06:252
    Re .11 -- what's oxymoronic about that?  Or am I missing something?
    
149.13YesFURILO::BLINNDr. Tom @MROFri May 09 1986 20:034
        Re: .12 -- you're missing something.  The implication is that
        "Free Kittens" is the usual state of affairs (vis � vis kittens). 
        
        Tom
149.14Free? Not quite...COGITO::MCKINLEYSat May 10 1986 14:237
RE:-.2

   Also note that if you've ever received a "free" kitten, you will, in the
course of a few weeks, have spent a small fortune on the little ball of fur.
This reasoning follows for free puppies, fish, monkeys, platypuses (platypi?).

---Phil
149.15buy a shoe ?SIERRA::OSMANand silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feepMon May 12 1986 17:596
    In Brighton, Ma., on Harvard St., there's a shoe store that actually
    has the following sign in its window:
    
    	Buy One, Get One Free !
    
    /Eric
149.16Any Old Timers Out ThereTHEBAY::WAKEMANLALarry "Super SWS" WakemanFri May 16 1986 17:233
    Re: .15
    
    You need two to make TRAX!!
149.17C'mon, back to Oxymorons!!NOD::STEVENSONTue Jun 03 1986 09:227
    How about 
    
                   GUN SAFETY
    
    
    Hmmmm, it's getting warm in here from the NRA flames.
    
149.18Doesn't fit the definition.APTECH::RSTONETue Jun 03 1986 10:1620
    Re: .17                        
    
    Sorry!  I do not consider GUN SAFETY to be an oxymoron.
    
    It may be only a matter of degree, but you should relate that to
    other devices which also have a danger factor:
    
    Motorcycle Safety, Auto Safety, Boat Safety, Aircraft Safety,
    Power-tool Safety, Swimming-pool Safety, etc. etc.
    
    All can be just as deadly if handled carelessly, or without proper
    training, or with ill intent.
    
    Please note, I do not own a firearm and have not fired one since
    I was in the Army almost 30 years ago.  However, I have friends
    who own one or more and who treat them with respect.  I also know
    people who own some of the other equipment listed above and who
    treat them much too carelessly or with little regard to their annoyance
    of others.  To each his own [recreation]!
                                                  
149.19Fighting flame with flameEVER::MCVAYPete McVayTue Jun 03 1986 11:4311
    Oh, I don't know.  At least vehicles, power tools, etc., are not
    designed with the express purpose of causing damage or death, which
    is the ultimate purpose of guns.  (I include target-practice weapons
    in this category; the original intent of ALL such devices was to
    kill and maim, so their evolution into a "safe" device is almost
    an apology for their existance.)
    
    It's in the same category of the investigation ordered by the U.S.
    Supreme Court about four years ago: the FDA was ordered to investigate
    whether the drugs used in lethal-injection executions were "safe
    and effective" and "posed no health hazards or unnecessary risks".
149.20"gun safety" oxymoroner than "auto safety"ROXIE::OSMANand silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feepTue Jun 03 1986 12:2610
Re:  "gun safety"

"Gun safety" is indeed oxymoroner than "auto safety" or "boat safety"
or any other the objector listed.

This is because guns are DESIGNED for killing.  Autos, boats, planes,
motorcycles, are generally not DESIGNED for killing.  hence "gun safety"
is more of an oxymoron than the others.

/Eric
149.21Take it to SOAPBOX!APTECH::RSTONETue Jun 03 1986 13:281
     
149.22BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Jun 03 1986 13:306
    Re .21:
    
    Okay, where is it?
    
    
    				-- edp
149.23APTECH::RSTONETue Jun 03 1986 14:093
    Re: .22
    
    The last one I saw was on Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park (London).
149.24Another oxymoron: innocuous noteCLOSET::DEVRIESTue Jun 03 1986 14:213
    It seems that just when you submit a seemingly harmless contribution
    into one of these conferences, it hits somebody's hot button and
    the flames leap up.
149.25DSSDEV::TABERIt mattered onceWed Jun 04 1986 08:585
Can't agree with that...given the comment about NRA flames, it was 
obviously meant to cause comment.  On the other hand, I agree that it 
belongs in SOAPBOX or some other file dedicated to pointless arguments.

				>>>==>PStJTT
149.26Is this an Oxymoron?ATLAST::SESSIONSCaptain VideoWed Jun 04 1986 12:423
    
    
    			Military Intelligence
149.27NoSUMMIT::NOBLEWed Jun 04 1986 13:312
    re: .26
    
149.28Yes!NOD::STEVENSONWed Jun 04 1986 13:5624
    re:  .26
    
    It's in the league with:
      Jumbo Shrimp
      Guest Host 
                  (George Carlinisms)
    
    But now, let's try making up some new ones that are at least close
    to the dictionary definition of - 
    
    "A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms
     are combined. . . . "
    
    I'll submit the following for openers.
    
    
    Express Checkout Line
    Sears Customer Service Desk
    Athletic Scholarship
    Life Insurance
    .
    .
    .
    
149.29Stretching things a little...APTECH::RSTONEWed Jun 04 1986 15:3010
    RE: .28
    
    Sounds like some built-in bias in those first three.  Your personal
    experience may suggest the oxymoron category, but probably not the
    original intent.
    
    And how does "Life Insurance" differ from "Home Insurance", "Auto
    Insurance", etc.?   None of these will _insure_ that no loss will
    occur, but rather will guarantee that someone will be indemnified
    in the event that a loss occurs.
149.30Intelligent conversationEVER::MCVAYPete McVayWed Jun 04 1986 21:121
    ..or intelligent NOTing?
149.31Even in real life, you can't escapeNERSW5::MCKENDRYKind of Cute, For a DweebTue Jun 10 1986 23:295
    We just received the second annual UFO Facilities Survey
    yesterday, and its last page is reserved for General Special
    Requests.
    
    -John
149.32EVER::MCVAYPete McVayWed Jun 11 1986 09:423
    re; .31
    
    UFO?  What an interesting site name.  Does the acronym fit?
149.33OBLIO::SHUSTERRoB ShUsTeRWed Jun 11 1986 11:463
    
    If the acronym fits, beware it.
149.34Seen in ZK24GL::GOODENOUGHThu Jun 12 1986 17:473
    
    
    		In-house Field Service
149.35And, of course...CLOSET::DEVRIESFri Jul 11 1986 14:301
    DEC Standard
149.36temporary taxCLOSET::DEVRIESFri Jul 11 1986 14:491
    
149.37One from the real estate worldREX::EPSTEINBruce EpsteinFri Jul 11 1986 16:323
This one actually appears on signs; there must be an explanation:

MLS exclusive
149.38on another rainy dayNATASH::WEIGLbreathum via turbo - ergo fasterSun Jul 13 1986 18:0010
    
    weather forecast
    
    Webster's - forecast - to predict
    		predict - foretell
    		foretell - to indicate beforehand
    
    my interpretation - they must honestly believe it's going to happen
    when they tell us these things!!
   
149.39Back to BASICsREX::MINOWMartin Minow -- DECtalk EngineeringFri Jul 18 1986 22:3125
Getting back to the original topic, which, if you've forgotten, was:

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Many years ago, dear children, the RSTS/E system generation program
had a few "hidden options" to enable monitor timings and the fancy
console lights program.  For one release (perhaps V6-C), we decided
that hiding this good stuff was kind of silly, so an appendix was
added to document the options.  It was, of course, called "Hidden
Sysgen Options."

Somewhere around the next release or so, the material in that chapter was
merged into the rest of the manual.  Now, the page looked like this:

		Appendix J

	    Hidden Sysgen Options



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Martin.
149.40Ideology Aside ...INK::KALLISSupport Hallowe'enWed Dec 17 1986 10:5610
    This is really a semioxymoron.  When speaking of those with a
    philosophical agreement with a certain military/political event
    in process in Central America, a radio announcer spoke of:
    
    "... those taking the pro-Contra position ..."
    
    admittedly, it looks less strange than it sounded.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
149.41oxy-oxymoron?REGENT::MERRILLIf you've got it, font it.Tue Dec 23 1986 13:498
    It isn't half as bad as the classic
    
    	anti-dis-enstablishmentarianism
    
    or is it?
    
    	RMM
    
149.42GENRAL::JHUGHESNOTE, learn, and inwardly digestWed Jan 21 1987 18:2620
    Re .41:
    
>   anti-dis-enstablishmentarianism
              ^
    Should be "anti-dis-establishmentarianism".

    Excuse the nit, which is for the benefit of readers who are unfamiliar 
    with the context, namely:
    
    		"(Those people who were in opposition to 
    			(the group wishing to dis-establish the Church of 
    			 England, who were naturally in opposition to
    				(the group wishing to maintain the Church of 
    			 	 England as the established church of
				 the realm
    				)
			 )
		 )"

149.43MADE BY THE FIRST COPYCAT?SQM::LARRY_MMon Feb 09 1987 20:345
    Haven't been looking at this conference for some time.  Thought
    it was about time I added another oxymoron.
    
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149.44that's 800 . . .VIDEO::OSMANand silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feepWed Feb 11 1987 15:3311
How about

	TOLL FREE phone numbers

If at first glance you disagree that there's a contradiction here, because
you're one of those stuffed shirts that points you that "free modifies the
word toll, you see", then think again.  For instance, how free is it by
the time you call and order something expensive (and "save" money too, not
to mention)


149.45MYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiWed Feb 11 1987 16:0712
  Re: .-1

  That's not an oxymoron; it's an error.  It should be:

     Toll-free phone numbers

  Now the $64,000 question becomes: "Is it a spelling error, a punctuation
  error, or some other kind of error?"

  JP

149.46DECWET::SHUSTERWriters on the storm...Wed Feb 11 1987 16:193
    
    For whom the phone tolls?  It tolls for free.
    
149.47BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Feb 11 1987 16:589
    Re .44:
    
    "Free" does not just mean "no expense".  It can also mean "without".  A
    program which is error free has no errors, although many programs come
    with errors at no expense.  A toll-free phone number is one without a
    toll.
    
    
    				-- edp 
149.48toll-free = freeSSDEVO::GOLDSTEINWed Feb 11 1987 19:278
    re .47
    
    In this case, it amounts to the same thing.  "Toll-free" doesn't
    mean without expense, you're saying; it means without a toll.  But
    "without a toll" means without expense.  There should be a name
    for this.
    
    Bernie
149.49Might make it worth drinking!AKOV68::BOYAJIANA disgrace to the forces of evilMon Feb 16 1987 05:325
    re:.47
    
    And Pepsi Free has no Pepsi in it, right?
    
    --- jerry
149.50just killing dimeVINO::JMUNZERWed Feb 18 1987 12:285
    Re .48:
    
    There is a name for that:  coincide.
    
    John
149.51"No PEPSI with lunch, thank you"USATSL::LILLYThu Mar 05 1987 13:288
    It must mean "without PEPSI", 'cause it cetainly isn't without expense.
    
    So, in the expression "no such thing as a free lunch", is that a
    lunch without expense, or a lunch without food?  I know working
    here, I've had a few LUNCH-FREE days, and a few FREE LUNCH days.
    
    
    
149.52A great Oxymoron offered by my book club...PSTJTT::TABERDie again, Mortimer! Die again!Fri Mar 06 1987 09:092
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