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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

127.0. "#" by VOGON::GOODENOUGH () Thu Dec 19 1985 12:19

This note is as a result of an exchange in the VMS DOCNOTES file, where I
pointed out an erroneous reference to the number sign '#' as a "pound sign"
(�).  I have seen this used in several DEC manuals, not only VMS.  I
suggested that the error was historical, as '#' was always replaced by '�'
on European keyboards.  Someone responded to say that '#' was used to mean
pound (as in weight) in "20# paper".

OK - what is the derivation of '#'?  How did it fall off the music sheets
in the US and gain the meaning 'number' (never used over here)?  Can it
mean pound-weight (or mass for the purists)?  Do you use the abbreviation
'lb.' to mean pound-weight?

Happy Christmas!
Jeff.
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127.1AJAX::TOPAZFri Dec 20 1985 07:3312
       I've wondered about that, too, and I'm gald that your question
       got me to go hunting in the dictionary.
       
       The Concise Oxford (British and US usages) doesn't have a symbols
       table, but it does list 'lb.' as an abbreviation. 
       
       The Webster's Dictionary (US usage only) has a table of symbols;
       it says that '#' indicates a number when used before a numeral
       (e.g., Track #4), and it indicates pounds when it follows the
       numeral (e.g., a 10# bale of cannibis).
       
       --Don
127.2EIFFEL::SAVAGEFri Dec 20 1985 10:4914
       According to the "MIT/Stanford" computer jargon listing, the
       chracter # has been variously referred to as a: crunch, sharp,
       number, hash (mark), pig-pen, pound-sign, mesh, and splat.

       These names (the authors hasten to add) are according to the
       *context* in which the "#" is used.

       The correct generic name (would you believe!) is supposed to
       be, the "octothorp."  Now, don't bother trying to find that in
       your Digital-supplied Amer. Heritage.  Anyone for the challenge
       of trying to verify?

  Neil

127.3PRAGMA::GRIFFINFri Dec 20 1985 19:075
Octothorp was the name given to it by the folks at Ma Bell when they
decided to put it on their tele-o-phones.  (Well, that's *my* version
of the story!)

- dave
127.4DR::BLINNSun Jan 12 1986 23:026
See topic #22, < SPLAT >, for more on this.  The use of "octothorp" is 
noted there, as is the use of "quadrathorp" for the "=".

Now, what is a just plain "thorp"?

Tom
127.5VOGON::GOODENOUGHMon Jan 13 1986 05:175
I don't have a Greek lexicon (anyone?), but I guess "thorp" means "point"
or similar.  Since "thorp" has a Greek root, it should be "tetrathorp",
not "quadrathorp".  I forget what the Greek for "eight" is.

Jeff.
127.6TLE::WINALSKIPaul S. WinalskiSun Mar 02 1986 16:185
RE: .1

GALLED, please!

--PSW
127.7Oh, Mr. W!VOGON::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading-UKMon Mar 03 1986 09:023
    .. and I thought that was just a typo for "glad"
    
    
127.8The ultimate SourceDONJON::MCVAYAsk Dr. Science! (He&#039;s not a real doctor.)Mon Mar 03 1986 09:083
    "Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary of Unusual or Obscure Words" doesn't list
    octothorpe either.  I'm surprised: whenver I suffer a case of
    lethologia, I usually consult Mrs. Byrne's.
127.9FUTURE::UPPERFri Apr 18 1986 16:063
Re: .6

I thought it was the past tense of "geld".