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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

56.0. "Terminal UGH" by PUFFIN::GRUBER () Wed Feb 20 1985 15:14

I work "@ NRO" -- what town am I in: "Northboro" or "NorthboroUGH"?
                                                                  /\
                                                      properly placed;
                                                      now I know!

There's a town nearby which has "Welcome To..." signs on both major approaches;
if you're coming from one direction you're welcomed to "Boxboro," and from
the other way, "BoxboroUGH."

I'm one who sticks with the UE at the end of catalogue, dialogue, etc.,
but I am torn about the UGHs.  What do you think?

      -mg_

P.S. What's the verb for what an architect does?
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56.1NY1MM::SWEENEYThu Feb 21 1985 22:367
Originally (but don't quote me on what century) all "ugh" words were
pronounced as we now pronounce "tough" (tuf).  But now we've got "through"
(thru) and "thorough" (thuro).

The long term trend is to modify spelling to conform to the way people speak.

Pat Sweeney
56.2REGINA::LYNXMon Feb 25 1985 21:3313
The proper spelling of a town's name is the name that appears on the
town's incorporation papers.  Most towns in eastern Massachusetts were
incorporated 200 to 300 years ago, and, when applicable, have the
more archaic "ough" ending on their official names.  (In particular,
I know for a fact that Boxborough's name is spelled as it appears in
this sentence.)  If you really care, contact the town clerk or the
city hall information bureau of the town you are interested in.

An architect designs buildings.  (I know of no verbal form of the word
"architecture.")

By the way, is the first comma on the third line of this note required,
optional, or incorrectly used?
56.3--UnknownUser--Tue Feb 26 1985 11:170
56.4GVAEIS::BARTATue Feb 26 1985 11:179
The FIRST comma on that line is optional -- depending on how separate 
you want the two sentences joined by 'and' to be.  The second, 
however, is COMPULSORY, and is the kind often omitted.

Signed, a pedant.  (Gabriel.)

B.t.w., give a legal sentence with five 'and's one after the other.

(See next reply, if you've given up.)
56.5VIA::LASHERTue Feb 26 1985 11:075
Re previous:

"More archaic" ?

Only in Massachusetts!
56.6GVAEIS::BARTATue Feb 26 1985 11:194
In the phrase "bread and butter", there are spaces between 'bread' and 
'and' and 'and' and 'butter'.

Sorry.
56.7GVAEIS::BARTATue Feb 26 1985 11:307
Lots of confusion: my .4 came between .3 and .5 (no really??) at the 
wrong moment, confusing the author of .5; and his .5 came between my 
two (.4 and .6) confusing EVERYBODY.

So, in .5, for "previous" read ".3"; and in .4, for "next" read ".6".

Whew.
56.8NY1MM::BONNELLTue Feb 26 1985 14:235
re: 6

UGH

...diane
56.9DVINCI::MPALMERTue Feb 26 1985 17:396
I don't think this is correct, but I once read one with 12 "had"s in a row
(11 excluding the proper name).  It went something like:


For the answer, Betty had had "had had"; Had had had "had"; "had had" had
had the teacher's approval.
56.10GVAEIS::BARTAWed Feb 27 1985 16:296
Hmmm, yes ...  The last "had had" is either odd -- because it should 
be just "had" to make the other tenses right; or it's archaic -- 
because it is an old-fashioned way of saying the conditional: "would 
have had".

Gabriel.
56.11NUHAVN::CANTORWed Feb 27 1985 18:227
Re .6

While cute, the example is wrong.  There are not five 'and's in the sentence;
there are three 'and's and two ''and''s (and the last word before this
parenthetical sentence is '''and''s', not '"and"s').

Dave C.
56.12METEOR::CALLASFri Mar 01 1985 13:505
There is a way to put an arbitrary number of 'had's in a sentence. It can
be done with no semicolons or by using the given name 'Had.' Other than
that, it's very much like the one mentioned above.

	Jon
56.13MUNOIS::DARNOLDTue Mar 12 1985 19:241
Sorry? so you should be!
56.14BERGIL::WIXFri Aug 16 1985 15:314
I was charmed to hear someone new to our language say, "Would you like a 
doughnut?", pronouncing it 'doff-nut'.

Jack Wickwire 
56.15ERIE::CANTORSat Aug 17 1985 19:165
I've also heard 'doughnuts' pronounced as "dog nuts."

Bitchin' huh?

Dave C.
56.16BAEDEV::RECKARDMon Oct 27 1986 12:207
    Re .1
    Try these:
    	BOUGH
    	BOUGHT
    	ROUGH
    	THOROUGH
    	THROUGH
56.17Another UGHBAEDEV::RECKARDWed Dec 31 1986 08:014
    One more -

	HICCOUGH