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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1514.0. "From a Righteous Gentile" by TAV02::JEREMY () Thu Feb 20 1997 13:16

    
    
    
    
    
    
    (Note: the following was written in response to an article she had
    received via email).
    
    Your Op-Ed came to me just this very moment and I just had to respond
    quickly, and hopefully briefly, but let you know that I thank you for
    it!
    
    It is a key opportunity for me as a gentile Believer in HaShem, the
    Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem!  It
    would seem so hopeless, in one sense, because I live in the USA, and I have
    to live with the shame of having a president who pretends to love Israel
    but who is much more sympathetic to those whose avowed intent is to push
    Israel into the sea.  So I want to cry out to Netanyahu not to believe him,
    and not to give in in any way to his slick but totally deceptive promises,
    or should I use the word "threats".  He may have the power of our nation
    (which has to be blind to allow it, but who says goyim are smart or
    have eyes?), but no nation, even one as large as ours, has ANY power at all
    in comparison to your G-d!
    
    I cry because of the near future for your country if the present trend
    continues, but I rejoice for the final outcome!  You see, I "read the back
    of the book", as any American mystery book reader would phrase it.  It is
    obvious to me that the TaNaKh was written, knowing the end from the
    beginning, and the Prophets have spoken of a great battle at the end of
    this age, when the whole world comes against tiny Israel, and right at the
    time when it looks the most bleak, and Israel, though even with all her
    military and every other kind of superiority, she feels helpless andalone,
    Israel will cry out as one voice to their Holy One, and as He has always
    done, He will come and vanquish with one blast from His nostrils, all the
    world's powers and rescue His own, and finally, as you have dreamed for
    centuries, Messiah will come and reign at last, and you will be the
    head of the nations.
    
    So you see, I cry for the next few tomorrows, but as the Great Shabbat
    century approaches, that bleak few months of horror will give way to
    rejoicing, that darkness will burst into full morning light, for all of
    you, as your Meschiach comes at last!  May I be permitted by HaShem to be
    one of the gentiles who is privileged to carry some of you into the land on
    my own shoulders.  Right now those are shoulders of prayer, but so may
    it be!  You are His beloved, and soon you will know it!  Really know it!
    
    Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai!
    
    Suzanne (Shoshannah)
    
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1514.1I'll bet I know what she has been reading...COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Feb 20 1997 16:445
>I "read the back of the book"

The Revelation of St. John the Divine?

/john
1514.2PHXSS1::HEISERMaranatha!Thu Feb 20 1997 17:582
    John, she said she read the back of the Tanakh.  I too believe Ezekiel
    38 is fast approaching.
1514.3She said "the back of the book"COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Feb 20 1997 21:1026
I'm not so sure she is referring to Ezekiel.

Chronicles is the back of the TaNaKh, right?

From the Soc.Culture.Jewish faq:

Torah: 
      Books of Genesis (B'reishis), Exodus (Sh'mos), Leviticus (Vayikra),
      Numbers(Bamidbar), and Deuteronomy(D'varim).

N'viim (Prophets):
      Books of Joshua, Judges, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II Kings, Isaiah,
      Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum,
      Habukkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. 

K'Tuvim (Writings):
      Books of Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations,
      Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah, I Chronicles,
      and II Chronicles. 

When Susannah writes that she has read "the back of the book", although she
could be speaking metaphorically, I suspect she is more likely referring to
the eschatology in the Apocalypse (which draws imagery from Ezekiel and other
prophets).

/john
1514.4PHXSS1::HEISERMaranatha!Thu Feb 20 1997 21:162
    Chronicles, or the other Writings, aren't really prophetic (outside of
    Daniel).  Psalms contains some non-eschatological prophecy
1514.5COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Feb 20 1997 21:3118
>    Chronicles, or the other Writings, aren't really prophetic

Indeed, that's why they appear in the "Writings" not in the "Prophets."
And also why I don't think she was referring to the back of the TaNaKh
when she said "the back of the book."

> (outside of Daniel).

I thought only Christians considered Daniel prophetic, which is why that
book appears among the Writings in copies of the TaNaKh, instead of among
the Prophets, as it does (together with Lamentations) in Christian bibles.

Similarly, Christian bibles have Joshua, Judges, Ruth Samuel, Kings,
Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah in a section called "Historical Books",
and all the other books not part of The Law in a section called "Poetical
Books."

/john
1514.6What is the Point?CPCOD::JOHNSONPeace can't be founded on injusticeThu Feb 20 1997 23:2019
Does it matter?  The point is this is a person who is pro-Israel,
pro-Jews, and pro-God. I too listen to the news and feel saddened
and sickened, and dis-heartened at the actions of the U.S. and 
other nations, but know that God will rescue Israel in the end. This 
knowledge that God will rescue Israel in the end comes from a whole 
host of comforting words God gave to Israel through the prophets and 
other writers of the Tanakh - it is an end that is really a beginning, 
and not the literal last book of the Tanakh.

There is a wonderful CD called "Moshiach" by Mordecai ben David. 
It has a song on it that likens the coming of moshiach to the arrival 
of dawn on a battle field where a soldier has been creeping along alone 
and afraid, and the dawn reveals his comrades and the victory that is 
their's. I think it is a great analogy, and has "heart".

I think the heart of the writer of the note posted in .0 would be 
dismayed at your what you are quibbling over.

Leslie
1514.7PHXSS1::HEISERMaranatha!Fri Feb 21 1997 18:144
    My apologies if you thought I was "quibbling."  I don't think there is
    any question that the phrase "back of the book" was an idiom.
    
    Mike