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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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1479.0. "Judges, Samuel, and Kings" by POWDML::FLANAGAN (let your light shine) Fri Nov 03 1995 16:43

    I am studying the Historic books of the Bible.  Judges, Samuel, and Kings.
    
    I am curious regarding what the Jewish understanding of these books
    are.   Are they considered historic truth?  Sacred story?
    
    Is there a difference between Reform, Conservative, and Orthordox Jews
    regarding how the Torah, Propets, and Writings are interpreted?
    
    Thanks
    
    
    Patricia
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1479.1Hope this helpsPCBUOA::sheldon.ako.dec.com::GlicklerTue Nov 07 1995 00:1530
>    I am curious regarding what the Jewish understanding of these books
>    are.   Are they considered historic truth?  Sacred story?
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    Is there a difference between Reform, Conservative, and Orthordox Jews
>    regarding how the Torah, Propets, and Writings are interpreted?
					   ^^^^^^^^

Historic truth - Orthodox - truth: yes
			  - sacred:  The Torah.  
			  - writing: Follow them as strictly as possible


		 Conservative and Reform - 
			- truth: strong historical base with interpretation 
				(for example I don't think very many believe 
				in a literal interpretation of creation).
			- sacred:  The Torah (but again some things must be 
				tempered and re-interpreted. (For example 
				we don't stone women for adultary nor do we 
				have a man marry his brother's widow). 
			- writings: Written by very wise men with a keen 
				insight into the times and (generally) provide
				very good rules to live by. 

(Born Orthodox, raised pseudo-Orthodox, First affiliation Conservative, found a 
home in Reform).

Shelly (Sheldon)
						     

1479.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Nov 07 1995 15:2923
re .1

I'm not quite sure I understand your answer with respect to the question
asked in .0.

Could you be more specific about the three books Judges, Samuel, and Kings.

Many liberal theologians would claim that the events described in these
books never took place.

More conservative theologians would claim that the events happened exactly
as described and under the direct supervision of G-d.

Theologians in the middle would say that they represent spiritual truth
even if they are not historically accurate.

Are there Jewish theologians in each of these camps?  (I would think so.)

Some people read what is in those books without understanding and decide
to reject G-d as cruel and capricious.  How does the faithful Jew respond
to such a reaction?

/john
1479.3Let me clarifyPCBUOA::sheldon.ako.dec.com::GlicklerTue Nov 07 1995 15:5821
First, I am not a Bible scholar.  What I was trying to convey was the 
general attitude of the the three main divisions of Judaism to these 
areas as I see it.  We all consider the Torah as sacred although, as 
I stated, there are area for interpretration.

I can't address the three books in particular and will leave that to 
others.  What I am trying to convey is that the Conservative and 
Reform movements temper the literal words to (a) bring them more to 
the modern era and (b) to empahsize God's love rather than His wrath.

We (Reform) view religion as an evolving process.  Just as we no 
longer believe the world to be flat, we have to reconsider certain 
passages.  While they might have fit the times, new evidence forces 
us to look for a deeper meaning, an underlying truth and to discard 
what are obvious (to us) inconsistencies and inaccuracies.  

John, as I said, I must leave these three books to others to more 
accurately describe.  My message was to give a broad brush as to how 
we view the sacred writings in general.

Shelly