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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1475.0. "Pharisaic Heritage" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Ps. 85.10) Sun Oct 08 1995 19:03

I have heard that the varieties of modern Judaism descended from the
Pharisees, all other factions having been wiped out.  Can anyone here
confirm or refute this?

Shalom,
Richard

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1475.1CorrectCADSYS::GROSSThe bug stops hereMon Oct 09 1995 18:4711
That conforms with what I've learned. The Pharisees are (were?) the
ancestors of rabbinic Judaism. The Sadducees were a liberal branch
that seems to have been assimilated into the Greek culture. The
Zealots were mostly wiped out in the war with Rome. The Essenes
didn't have children.

There is a small group of "Samaritans" in existance today. They
trace their ancestry from the residents of the former Northern
Kingdom who occupied the land after the 10 Lost Tribes were lost.

Dave
1475.2Highly DoubtfulMIMS::LESSER_MWho invented liquid soap and why?Mon Oct 09 1995 19:4724
    Considering that the "Pharisees" existed 1900-2000 years ago, and that
    most of the movements that now exist in modern Judaism have their
    origins in the late 18th century through the early 20th century, this
    is highly unlikely.  The two exceptions are the Orthodox Movement and
    Sephardic.  The Orthodox movement is traditional Eastern European
    Judaism.  Sephardim have their origins 2500 years ago in the Babalonian
    Exile.
    
    
    Movement				Origin
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Reform 				1790's Germany
    Lubavicher Chasidic			1700's Lubavich Poland
    Satmir(sp?) Chasidic		(not sure) Hungary
    Other Chasidim			1800-present Eastern Europe
    Reconstructionist			1890's America
    Conservative			c1900 America
    Orthodox (Ashkenaic)		(traditional for over 1000 years)
    					Eastern Europe
    Sephardic				(traditional for over 2500 years)
    					Middle East, Spain and Portugal
    

    Mark
1475.3Standing firmCADSYS::GROSSThe bug stops hereTue Oct 10 1995 16:087
Re: .2

I believe that no matter which branch of modern Judaism you go
to, the participants will claim to be descended from "Rabbinic"
Judaism, which is the modern word for Pharisee.

Dave
1475.4Just my opinion!MIMS::LESSER_MWho invented liquid soap and why?Tue Oct 10 1995 19:2615
    Re: .3
    
    Dave,
    
    I assumed that the reference in .0 was to individual branches, and not
    to all forms of modern Judaism.  If your inference is correct, then
    your answer is indeed correct.
    
    From my knowledge (limited in some areas), there was a fundamental
    change after the destruction of the first Temple.  The Babylonian exile
    was the real beginning of Rabinnic Judaism.  Therefore, "Pharisee" is
    probably the wrong term for what you mean.  That term tends to be
    misused by some to justify some religious points of view.
    
    Mark
1475.5CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Wed Oct 11 1995 21:565
    I appreciate your responses.  Thank you.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard