| Title: | BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest |
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My son told me the following "riddle": In a certain town the Shochet wasn't overly knowledgeable and though he knew how to do the Schita properly, he was not able check and certify that his knives were without any nicks and kosher for schita. He would take his two knives every week to the neighboring town where the Shochet there would certify them for him. One week after he returned one of the knives became nicked, but he didn'y know which one of them. The Shochet in the neighboring town was away. The Shochet didn't know what to do, but he suggested that they find a cow that is almost ready to give birth and slaughter this cow and then the yet unborn calf would not require Shchita. Everyone who knew the Halacha of "Ben Pekuah" laughed since the unborn calf does not require Shchita ONLY if the mother WAS properly slaughtered. When this was told over to a very learned Rav he said, "Although the Shochet himself did not realize this in truth the suggestion made by the Shochet borders on being GENIUS" What did he mean... Thanks, Cb.
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| 1417.1 | One knife apiece ? | STAR::FENSTER | Yaacov Fenster, Operating systems Quality and Tools @ZKO3/4W15 381-1154 | Wed Jun 22 1994 20:34 | 10 |
How about slaughtering the mother with one knife, and the calf with the other ? There are two possible cases: a) The knife used to slaughter the mother was imperfect, which means that the calf was slaughtered with a perfect knife. b) The knife used to slaughter the mother was perfect, which means that the fact that the calf was slaughtered by an imperfect knife had no bearing. The question is what about the "kavana" ? Yaacov | |||||
| 1417.2 | Correct !!! | TAV02::CHAIM | Semper ubi Sub ubi ..... | Thu Jun 23 1994 09:50 | 29 |
> -< One knife apiece ? >-
>
>How about slaughtering the mother with one knife, and the calf with the other ?
>There are two possible cases:
>a) The knife used to slaughter the mother was imperfect, which means that the
>calf was slaughtered with a perfect knife.
>b) The knife used to slaughter the mother was perfect, which means that the fact
>that the calf was slaughtered by an imperfect knife had no bearing.
>
Nice going Yaacov; that's the nswer my son proposed.
I did mention to him that this reasoning is NOT correct if you hold like the
Rambam that an animal slaughtered with an imperfect knife would cause a nick in
the food pipe ("nikuv haveshet") which would then deem the animal as a "Treifa"
as opposed to most authorities who consider such an animal a "Neveila". If the
mother is a "treifa" then most authorities are of the oppinion that the unborn
calf is also a "treifa" and then the subsequent shchita wouldn't help.
>The question is what about the "kavana" ?
>
With the exception of "Kodshim", I'm not aware of any Halacha which requires
"kavana" for shchita.
Thanks,
Cb.
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