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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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1303.0. "Details on origin of Star of David" by RICKS::SAMBERG () Fri Jan 29 1993 17:58

I'm interested in some detail on the origin of the Star of David.
(I admit to not going to the library at our Congregation or even
checking a big encyclopedia).

/thanks,
Eileen

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1303.1MIMS::LESSER_MWho invented liquid soap and why?Sat Jan 30 1993 01:1314
    Eileen,
    
    According to my sources, the "Star of David" is not the oldest symbol
    of our people.  In fact this symbol was placed on us by goyim who made
    us wear it as a sign of being different.  This practice was revived by
    the Germans and their collaborators during WWII.  We took this symbol
    which was forced upon us and adopted it as a sign of pride, rather than
    the sign of shame that others intended it to be.
    
    The ancient symbol of our people is the seven branched menorah, which
    is on the state seal of the state of Israel and which is also depicted
    in a scene on the Arch of Titus in Rome.
    
    Mark
1303.2In certain periods it was associated with Magic/WitchcraftTAVENG::FENSTERYaacov Fenster @ISO 882-3153Mon Feb 01 1993 11:525
In certain periods and cultures (like the Moor period in Spain)
It was considered a symbol with associated 
"higher" powers;i.e. Magic....

	Yaacov
1303.3mystical symbolTNPUBS::STEINHARTLauraMon Feb 01 1993 15:4617
    It has mystical connotations.  It is composed of two separate
    equilateral triangles, one with the point facing up and one with the
    point facing down.  It is a shorthand for the Kabbalistic Tree of Life,
    where the sephirot (roughly, energy centers) can be traced into two
    triangles.  
    
    Many cultures use the triangle, facing up or down, as a basic symbolic
    element.  Ancient European cultures used the "down" triangle to
    symbolize female fertility. Mediterranean cultures used the "up"
    triangle or cone to represent the navel of the world or a sacred
    mountain at the center of the world.  The triangle is an important
    element in Hindu and Tibetan Buddhist symbolism.
    
    It's neat that the Jews married the up and down triangles to make a
    unique symbol.  It is simple yet very powerful.
    
    L  
1303.4A much simpler explanationTAV02::NITSANOne side will make you largerTue Feb 02 1993 12:026
From what I heard (don't remember the origin), it is simply the name
"David" written in Hebrew (Dalet-Vav-Dalet), where the middle "Vav" is
omitted and the ancient "Dalet" used to be written as Delta (i.e., a
triangle), which is still today's Cyrillic "Dalet".

This symbol is said to have been drawn on king David's shield (Magen).
1303.5Keep those replies coming!RICKS::SAMBERGTue Feb 02 1993 16:024
I'm finding this string fascinating. Thanks for your replies. More
are welcome!

/eileen
1303.6long article exists in Encyc. JudaicaTAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergFri Feb 12 1993 11:5210
>I'm finding this string fascinating. Thanks for your replies. More
>are welcome!

	There's really a lot more.  Much too much to enter here.

	I will actually be in Israel next week.  I will try to copy
	the essay from the Encyc. Judaica and send it to you. It's
	quite interesting (but about 6 folio-sized pages).

don feinberg
1303.7Found the article, thanksRICKS::SAMBERGThu Mar 04 1993 16:009
>	I will actually be in Israel next week.  I will try to copy
>	the essay from the Encyc. Judaica and send it to you. It's
>	quite interesting (but about 6 folio-sized pages).

Thanks, I actually found the article in E.J. *and* it is hard to
summarize, as the origin is quite murky and speculative. If anyone else
is interested, I could try typing some of it in...

Eileen