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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1293.0. "Season's Greetings" by CSCMA::GILDER () Wed Dec 23 1992 21:45

    Ever notice how non-Christian folks wish people "Seasons Greetings" or
    "I wish you a happy holiday"?
    
    By the same token ever notice how most Christian folks say "Merry
    Christmas" to everyone?
    
    I'm in the mood to *itch....and I do it so well.
    
    Hmmmm cause for ponder....why Digital pays so much for TQM, HPO, DLEO,
    and Valuing Diversity courses.
    
    Then again, there is a significant number of more aware folks saying,
    "I wish you a nice holiday".....
    
    I'm perplexed any one else?
    
    me
    
    
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1293.1They'll never know what hit themNOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Dec 23 1992 22:132
The solution is to send them generic "Season's Greetings" cards for
Rosh Hashanah.
1293.2yah!CSCMA::GILDERWed Dec 23 1992 22:205
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    Gerry, you got a great suggestion.
    
    
1293.3a formality...FROZEN::CHERSONthe door goes on the rightThu Dec 24 1992 21:515
    I treat this type of a thing as both a mere formality and having the
    decency to reply back to someone else, and a "tax" for being out in the
    Galut.
    
    --David  
1293.4A DIFFERENT OPINIONSALEM::KARLSBERGMon Dec 28 1992 22:405
    I believe, that generally, people are much more aware than they've
    been in the past.  Out of hundreds of greetings I received during
    the season, only one was for a Merry Christmas.  That's progress;
    people are becoming a lot more sensitive about this stuff than they
    used to be.
1293.5I'll Celebrate ANY SeasonPOCUS::FEINMANMon Apr 12 1993 17:3451
    Really guys, I totally understand, in fact my husband does a "bit" (he
    is a stand-up comic) about it, about resenting the Christmas season
    becuase it makes him feel like an outsider in his own country.  He
    describes getting a wonderful holiday card, a Currier and Ives scene
    and he is imagining the greeting "Merry Christmas" as he opens it to
    reveal the message:
    
    Season's Greetings, you lousy Jew!  
    
    It's MUCH funnier when he does it, but the message is one I found in
    this note, that feeling of alienation and exclusion.  Yet when people
    say "Season's Greetings", they are sometimes making a concession that
    NOT everyone celebrates Christmas and the reason for not saying Happy
    Hannukah, is that they might be unsure of how to pronounce it or might
    not really be sure WHEN the holiday is (come on now, don't some of you
    get confused about your own holidays let alone one which is largely a
    mystery to you?).
    
    I think the intentions of the speaker matter a lot, sometimes people
    are bigots, more frequently they are just ignorant and sometimes they
    are really well-meaning but not quite sure of the politically correct
    terminology or the particular prediliction of the individual.  
    
    I guess what I am saying is that the situation will improve when we all
    lighten up.  My husband and I fondly recall my perplexed grandmother
    who responded to my husband's heartfelt "Merry Christmas" one year by
    looking at him fondly and replying sincerely, "I wish I could say the
    same to you, but you have a holiday too!"  
    
    I find that people generally have questions about my holidays and my
    traditions and sometimes their questions are hostile (especially when I
    say that I keep kosher, people, Jews and Gentiles alike, seem to want
    to prove that I transgress by cross-examining me as to my level of
    adherence when eating out, observing Passover, dining with my parents
    or in-laws who don't keep kosher) but when I take the trouble to
    explain, in a way which is nonjudgmental about their choices, it seems
    to alieviate some of the discomfort and misconceptions.
    
    One of my coworkers who is a sweet and well-meaning person hesitantly
    questioned me about my holiday one Rosh Hashanah.  She said that she
    wanted to wish me a "happy holiday" but had once been blasted by a
    Jewish woman who informed her that she had insulted her since the
    holiday WASN'T a happy one.  Now really, I wouldn't expect any of US to
    do that, but since there are people who respond this way, what should
    we expect the response to be?
    
    So let's TRY to smile when offered Season's Greetings, and reciprocate
    in kind.
    
    Sylvia
    
1293.6TNPUBS::STEINHARTBack in the high life againMon Apr 12 1993 20:5312
    After discussing how much we detest Christmas, and what an annoyance it
    is, my friend Gary and I used to have a standing joke.  I'd snarl at
    him, "Merry Christmas."  He'd snarl back, "And your mother, too."  :-) 
    :-)
    
    Still, Miss Mannersky says, take the holiday greetings in stride,
    consider the source, and respond appropriately.  For acquaintances who
    don't know one is Jewish, and with whom one does not wish to 
    discuss it, smile sweetly and say, "Thank you."
    
    L