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| 1279.1 | Good question! | WILBRY::WASSERMAN | Deb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863 | Fri Nov 13 1992 18:46 | 5 |
| I don't know about Friday the 13th being lucky to Jews in general, but
I _do_ know that my grandmother considered 13 to be a lucky number.
Does anyone know where this superstition about Friday the 13th
originally came from?
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| 1279.2 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sun Nov 15 1992 05:54 | 12 |
| Maybe thirteen is a good number since it is the number of attributes (middot)
of divine mercy derived from the text of Exodus 34:6-7, used in many prayers.
Due to a peculiarity in the calendar, the 13th of the month is more likely
to fall on Friday than on any other day. I refused to believe this until
I wrote a program to calculate it; there is a lengthy discussion of this
somewhere in ASKENET.
We could probably get into a long discussion of the relationship between
superstition (for good or bad luck from an object or number) and idolatry.
/john
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| 1279.3 | Why Friday the 13th is a *Christian* superstition | TLE::USAGE::GROSS | Louis Gross | Sun Nov 15 1992 19:04 | 15 |
| .1� Does anyone know where this superstition about Friday the 13th
.1� originally came from?
In Christian mythology, 13 is unlucky because Judas was the 13th apostle,
and Friday is unlucky because that is the day the Gospels say Jesus was
crucified, so put the two together, and you have an unlucky day. I believe
that some people also consider it bad to have a dinner party with 13
guests (because that means that one of the guests will betray the host?).
I don't mean to say that Christians think of Friday the 13th as an unlucky
day, just that the superstition originated in a Christian culture. (By the
way, apartment buildings in New York used to avoid a 13th floor by
numbering ...11, 12, 14... and Ogden Nash has a charming poem about people
in such buildings who live on the 14th floor being secret 13-dwellers [my
mother was, until recently, a secret 14-dweller].)
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| 1279.4 | | POWDML::SMCCONNELL | Next year, in JERUSALEM! | Mon Nov 16 1992 19:44 | 5 |
| re: 13 apostles...
I thought there were only 12?
Steve
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| 1279.5 | Who knows 13?? | GRANPA::AFRYDMAN | | Mon Nov 16 1992 20:52 | 11 |
| 12 + JC = 13 at the last supper.
Who knows 13?
I know 13.
13 are ...the Attributes of HaShem
...Years till Bar Mitzvah
...the number of "yom Tov" days outside of Israel
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| 1279.6 | Also. . . | ELMAGO::RSALAS | | Wed Nov 18 1992 20:31 | 4 |
| Also the thirteen pillars of the Jewish faith (Moshe ben Maim�n).
Ram�n
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| 1279.7 | I don't know why I bothered, but FWIW.... | TAV02::SID | Sid Gordon @ISO | Wed Nov 18 1992 21:01 | 19 |
| >Due to a peculiarity in the calendar, the 13th of the month is more likely
>to fall on Friday than on any other day.
Call me a skeptic. I also wrote a quick DCL procedure to check this
(about 5 minutes work) and came out with the following: For the 100 years
(1200 months) between 13-JAN-1901 and 13-DEC-2000, the 13th of the month
comes out on the following days:
Sun 171 times
Mon 173 times
Tue 169 times
Wed 173 times
Thu 171 times
Fri 171 times
Sat 172 times
Don't believe everything you read in Easynet.
Sid
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| 1279.8 | Like I said, I didn't believe it until I really checked it. | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Wed Nov 18 1992 22:51 | 10 |
| >(1200 months) between 13-JAN-1901 and 13-DEC-2000, the 13th of the month
>comes out on the following days:
>
>Don't believe everything you read in Easynet.
You didn't go far enough. The peculiarity in the calendar happens every
hundred years, but not every four hundred years. 2000 is one of the "nots",
so your experiment wasn't valid.
/john
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| 1279.9 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Nov 18 1992 22:58 | 1 |
| We should ask our esteemed moderator. After all, calendars R him.
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| 1279.10 | It's true, the 13th is a Friday more than any other day | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Wed Nov 18 1992 23:01 | 13 |
| Over any 400 year period you get:
FRIDAY = 688
MONDAY = 685
SATURDAY = 684
SUNDAY = 687
THURSDAY = 684
TUESDAY = 685
WEDNESDAY = 687
See topic 1982 in ASKENET for the full story. Be sure you read all the replies.
/john
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| 1279.11 | You win, I give up | TAV02::SID | Sid Gordon @ISO | Wed Nov 18 1992 23:19 | 8 |
| Touche.
The differences are hardly significant (I wouldn't even go so far as
to call it a "peculiarity"), but I have to admit you didn't say it
was significant, just that it was true.
And now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...
/sid
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| 1279.12 | gematria has the solution | NEADEV::KAPLAN | Thanks for all the Fish | Mon Nov 23 1992 00:59 | 9 |
| That thirteen is a LUCKY number goes back to the very first day of
creation. In the Hebrew, it is YOM ECHAD, day one, a cardinal number.
All of the other days are referred to with ordinal numbers (second day,
third day, etc.) In gematria the numerical value of echad is thirteen
(aleph = 1 + chet = 8 + daled = 4). Therefore, at the moment of
creation 13 was established as a special and good number.
Gary (Mr. Judy) Kaplan
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| 1279.13 | This is a lucky reply! | TAV02::NITSAN | One side will make you larger | Mon Nov 23 1992 08:51 | 0 |
| 1279.14 | greetings to Mr. Judy :-) | TNPUBS::STEINHART | Laura | Mon Nov 23 1992 16:24 | 1 |
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| 1279.15 | Why numerology? | MIMS::LESSER_M | Who invented liquid soap and why? | Tue Nov 24 1992 22:27 | 8 |
| I have always wondered why numerology is so important for Jews
throughout history. I had a Chasidic Rabbi as my religious studies
teacher in junior high, when I attended a day school. Many of his
parables were concerned with mystical numbers or general numerology.
In each one of our subjects, except modern Hebrew, he always mentioned
something about this or that mystical number.
Mark
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