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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1213.0. ""Skokie":just a film??" by ROMSLS::FARRAUTO () Mon Apr 27 1992 16:05

    Hi everybody,
    Sometime ago I happened to watch a tv film starring Danny Kaye,"Skokie"
    which appeared as "Diritto di offesa" (The right to offend) and one
    thing that wasn't so explicit is whether the fact actually occured or
    was only mere fiction.
    If it did happen,were the facts faithfully represented (the Nazi's
    lawyer being Jewish;Lincoln Rockwell really exist ??) ??.
    
    Anybody got more about it,something to add ?
    Thanks in advance
    Ciao!!!!
    
    Fabrizio
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1213.1Yes it happenedSGWS::SIDSid Gordon @ISOMon Apr 27 1992 17:0828
If memory serves correctly...

The Skokie incident did occur, I believe in 1978.
American Nazis petitioned for the right to march in Skokie, Illinois,
which happens also to be the home of many holocaust survivors.
In the end I believe their petition to march was granted, but their
route was somewhat limited, and they were fairly outnumbered by
counter-demonstrators.

The Nazis were defended by the American Civil Liberties Union which
counts many Jews among their staff and supporters, so it is not
unlikely that some of the lawyers were Jewish.  Incidentally, a great
number of Jewish contributors cut off support for the ACLU as a result 
of this, and that effect was apparently felt severely.

Lincoln Rockwell did exist.  (Does exist? I think he's dead -- in fact I
think he was dead by the time this incident took place).

I didn't see the film so I can't say if it was accurate.  The issue
of where free speech ends and the right of the public to supress dangerous
views begins is probably discussed elsewhere in this conference.

If not, or if you want to start it off again, you can say something 
controversial like, "Doesn't the bill of rights give the right to American
Nazis to say whatever they want wherever they want?" and see what kind of
reaction you get.

Sid
1213.2On the contrary....ROMSLS::FARRAUTOMon Apr 27 1992 18:1920
    At all,Sid
    I really think you just gotta be intolerant sometimes.Here in
    Italy,despite we have one of the worst judiciary systems-and slowest
    too-no one would accept such an extreme interpretation of the
    Constitution.
    I mean common GOOD sense just has to overrule any possible flaw in the
    law (no rhyme intended!!).
    
    Another scene I remember was that the Nazi leader,at the end of the
    film,makes a public statement that "the intention was not to march in
    Skokie,but to draw nation-wide attention ",infact they eventually hold
    a rally in Marquette Park,Chicago and the Skokie City Council is
    stunned by this twist.
    
    However,yes my outlook is European so I guess I'm not concerned-and
    informed-enough to explore all the debatable aspects that someone else
    might point out about the above-mentioned Liberties issue.
    
    Fabrizio
    
1213.3nitNOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Apr 27 1992 19:052
The head of the American Nazi Party was George Lincoln Rockwell.
I believe he died several years ago.
1213.4dead as a doornail.DNEAST::SPECTOR_DAVIMon Apr 27 1992 19:167
    
    	GLR is indeed dead. He was shot and killed by one of his followers
        at the American Nazi Party headquarters in Arlington ,VA. sometime
        during the 60's.
    
    
    David